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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
On September 27 2011 22:10 Deadlyfish wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:07 niteReloaded wrote:
Ugh, I had no idea so many countries have this problem.
It's present in Croatia too, altho I'd say they're pretty peaceful here; I can't really remember a real incident.
They do beg for money on crossroads etc, treat their kids poorly, always look for metals etc, but they never did anything bad to me, and I actually play basketball with some of them on the local playground.
However, responding to the problems that do occur, the only solution would be to end the mentality that their culture seems to have no matter which country they live in.
The only somewhat realistic way to do it would be to make them a country. Then they'll realize that they don't have anyone to leech from and they will possibly grow into fully functional human beings.
The other, cruel way would be to take away their kids, based on the poor treatment, and give them for adoption to normal couples. Then the gypsie 'culture' dies, but no human is killed. Yea, you cant really make them a country, that's just not possible. You need to take their children away when they're being abused, and send them to jail/institutions when they treat people like that. Need to just enforce the law basically.
But they cant do any of that to them due to "Human Rights" crappy laws the EU make. You send 1 to jail you have a civil war erupt in your country. They defend themselves to the extreme thats why they are left alone and left to grow.
European Union is the problem and forever will be in my eyes.
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Any1 watched big fat gypsy wedding? Can see lots and lots of racism towards them in that series (this is in UK and Ireland tho i believe).
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Actually I'm glad that when Romania was added in the European Union, many gypsies stopped "plaguing Romania" and they decided to go and plague other European countries.
I see no solution for gypsies, since their numbers is rapidly increasing.
Since the economical situation is going worse, it's way harder for a normal family to decide to have many kids. But for gypsies that's not a problem even if they don't have food or shelter, they have like 10+ kids. And those kids will do the same, their numbers are growing exponentially.
In 300 years, I bet there will be way more Gypsies then Romanians in Romania at least.
The last statistics was made in 2002
Ethnic groups in Romania: 89.5% Romanians, 6.6% Hungarians, 2.5% Gypsies, 2% Others
I bet that now in 2011, there are at least 5% Gypsies, because they are breeding like rats, and only very very very very VERY VERY VERY very very very few will even attend schools.
The vast majority continues they gypsies legally, pick pocketing/robbing/begging.
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By the way, I'm not comparing this to what the nazis did next, but how it all started. By massive stupidity.
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On September 27 2011 22:11 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:06 Deadlyfish wrote:
Disliking groups of people who steal, abuse their children and live off of welfare and whatever their children can steal or sell themselves for = Nazism.
What?
Again, not saying all gypsies do this, but there is a huge correlation, and denying it is just hiding from the truth. I really feel for many of the gypsy children. Do you actually know people from the gipsy community? Or are you simply conveying rumours and general statements? Exactly. Oh look at me, I think BLACK PEOPLE like chicken, and they're thieves too, but I'm not racist, noooo.
Wait, are you saying disliking black people is the same as disliking gypsies? Again, it's more their culture. I dont dislike them because of their name or race, but because of their culture. Comparing this to actual racism is just beyond stupid.
By your definition you cant dislike any group of people because then you're a racist.
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On September 27 2011 22:13 n0ave wrote:
I bet that now in 2011, there are at least 5% Gypsies, because they are breeding like rats, and only very very very very VERY VERY VERY very very very few will even attend schools.
The vast majority continues they gypsies legally, pick pocketing/robbing/begging.
FFS are the mods serious? I'm off TL. Bye all. Bye humanity.
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I don't even know what a gypsy is. Like Amish or something?
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On September 27 2011 22:11 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:06 Deadlyfish wrote:
Disliking groups of people who steal, abuse their children and live off of welfare and whatever their children can steal or sell themselves for = Nazism.
What?
Again, not saying all gypsies do this, but there is a huge correlation, and denying it is just hiding from the truth. I really feel for many of the gypsy children. Do you actually know people from the gipsy community? Or are you simply conveying rumours and general statements? Exactly. Oh look at me, I think BLACK PEOPLE like chicken, and they're thieves too, but I'm not racist, noooo.
Yea, I know them. I've faced their ignorance and lack of manners and understanding of basical societal norms countless times and I've been damn close to getting robbed/beaten up. Everyone I know has similar experiences with them, especially the few gypsies who are actually trying not to be like the rest.
Just. Fuck. Off. This. Thread.
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On September 27 2011 22:14 Kukaracha wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:13 n0ave wrote:
I bet that now in 2011, there are at least 5% Gypsies, because they are breeding like rats, and only very very very very VERY VERY VERY very very very few will even attend schools.
The vast majority continues they gypsies legally, pick pocketing/robbing/begging.
FFS are the mods serious? I'm off TL. Bye all. Bye humanity.
But they are, duh. I've got the feeling that it's you who's the one without any real experience with the bad majority of these people.
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noave uses brutal words but it's true. they all have 3+ children to get welfare from the state
anw this is starting to be reallly offtopic. the problem is with the bulgarian cops who are in cahoots with the bulgarian gypsy mobsters and tolerate all their criminal activities
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
On September 27 2011 22:12 Technique wrote:
Any1 watched big fat gypsy wedding? Can see lots and lots of racism towards them in that series (this is in UK and Ireland tho i believe).
Completely different culture my friend. Romanian Gypsies are not the same as TRAVELLERS in the UK. They are irish bred and different.
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On September 27 2011 22:04 Kukaracha wrote:
WTF is wrong with this thread, it's fucking 1933 all over again.
People will never learn.
Some gypsies steal things. Others don't. Most indulge in shady activities, because they're outcasts, and that's what outcasts do in general.
Some jews were rich. Others were poor. Most were involved in small businesses or the financial world, because they were not allowed to posess land, and landless people must climb the social ladder through other means as banks and trade.
I'm so sad that coming to TL today made me understand the growth of nazism a little better.
Do you even make a difference between Nazism and Hitler's own idealogical views? We are not talking about racism here, gypsies are a social problem, which people, especially government officials, avoid talking about. According to you all problems in society just "happen", because that's how the world works. Just close your eyes and hope that in time it all goes away. Well, it doesn't work like that. We have to find a solution for all of our problems, including the lack of gypsy integration in our society. Saying that gypsies are gypsies is not a way of thinking, it is lack of such.
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On September 27 2011 21:26 aTnClouD wrote:
tbh the only way of dealing with the gypsies problem is becoming a terrorist and kill as many as you can. if you drive them out of your country they will inevitably plague another place and it's a culture that is not really fit for living along with any other.
The only way of dealing with narrow minded rasists who plauge our society with their ignorance and non exisiting sympathy is to grab a gun and KILL THEM ALL!!
See how your statement is provoking and not so thought out? I can recognize that you have a problem with gypsies in your country but how can you not see the relation between your hatred for a specific group of people with previously done human cleansing etc.
You think that gypsies are murderers and thieves, I think that most other races have that too, but that doesn't mean we should murder them.
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I was homeless when I came to France for the first time. So yes, I've been in contact with those people. And yes, they're human beings. Not rats.
You don't know what it is to be an outcast until you're one. Period. "But you should integrate society", this is a stupid as telling a poor man to "just be rich instead".
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I remember back in February this year when I changed my ID, there were many gypsies sitting at the line to get their ID, and were like 15 persons with the same "adress", and they were fingerprinted by the local police, because they didn't knew to write/read.
I know that this isn't for TL, but I just saw the gypsies thread... so yeah.
I don't hate them, but they just don't belong, and will never get integrated into a normal society because they don't want to, and you can't force anyone in a democracy.
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On September 27 2011 22:19 Kukaracha wrote:
I was homeless when I came to France for the first time. So yes, I've been in contact with those people. And yes, they're human beings. Not rats.
You don't know what it is to be an outcast until you're one. Period. "But you should integrate society", this is a stupid as telling a poor man to "just be rich instead".
A poor man is not poor by choice. Not sending your children to school and living off stealing is.
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On September 27 2011 22:17 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2011 22:12 Technique wrote:
Any1 watched big fat gypsy wedding? Can see lots and lots of racism towards them in that series (this is in UK and Ireland tho i believe). Completely different culture my friend. Romanian Gypsies are not the same as TRAVELLERS in the UK. They are irish bred and different.
The only negative stereotype i know of Irish gypsies is the semi-humourous "i'll paint your house but look out, i might steal the ladder" kind of thing. They would often do odd jobs for a bit of cash-in-hand if you "treated them right" but could be trouble if you didn't. My grandad (who was Irish) used to have no qualms about travellers (which is another important difference; english/irish ones tend to move around afaik) stopping off on his land for a week or two. It's a very different situation.
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Kukaracha, I think you're the one who doesn't know who gypsies are and how they function. If you knew the facts, you wouldn't be talking the way you're talking.
90% of them DO fit the stereotype.
On the other hand, most of us here would probably be perfectly happy living alongside a NORMAL gypsy.
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Just curious how a similar thread made by a US citizen about black people would go?
You could simply exchange black for gypsy in the majority of statements in this thread and you wouldn't miss a beat.
Having said that, marginalizing an entire group of people based on the actions of a few (or even a majority) is always wrong.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
On September 27 2011 22:19 Kukaracha wrote:
I was homeless when I came to France for the first time. So yes, I've been in contact with those people. And yes, they're human beings. Not rats.
You don't know what it is to be an outcast until you're one. Period. "But you should integrate society", this is a stupid as telling a poor man to "just be rich instead".
There are ways to go about the world, there are ways not to go about the world.
Life is tough not easy no one said it was easy. First of all you get an education, then you get a job. Without education you fail to land a reasonable/good job. But there is still jobs out there that pay with limited education needed.
You came to France and were without a home, now you clearly have a home or access to the internet and a computer. This tells me you either got a job from the education you had or you used the goverment who helped u get education and a job.
Gypsies live off themselves and by themselves not accepting help and making there own rules. There is nothing FAIR about that. Why should they be able to do what they want now because no one will stand up to them. That is called Terrorism (Terrorising people to get your own way)
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