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shammythefox
United Kingdom286 Posts
On September 23 2011 23:26 scorch- wrote: Even if neutrinos are travelling faster than light, nothing's breaking. They've always been able to do so. source please. | ||
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JFKWT
Singapore1442 Posts
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
On September 23 2011 23:26 scorch- wrote: Even if neutrinos are travelling faster than light, nothing's breaking. They've always been able to do so and relativity has done a pretty good job of predicting observable effects since it was first theorized. breaking the limit of what WE KNEW was possible, but whatever, you probably understood exactly what I was trying to say but decided to act like some besserwisser. | ||
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MangoTango
United States3670 Posts
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Duka08
3391 Posts
On September 23 2011 23:34 JFKWT wrote: Whatever the prof is saying in the livestream is going way WAY above my head =( It's just an hour of details on the hardware, calibration, etc. Partially showing off on the world's stage, and partially "hey look at all these things we did to correct measurements and stuff we're not stupid". He's giving an idea of the accuracy possible. I'm sure when the actual phenomenon is presented it will be more straightforward. Explanations/theory maybe not, but I doubt they'll even go into that yet. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On September 23 2011 23:39 Duka08 wrote: It's just an hour of details on the hardware, calibration, etc. Partially showing off on the world's stage, and partially "hey look at all these things we did to correct measurements and stuff we're not stupid". He's giving an idea of the accuracy possible. Yeah I'm pretty sure CERN isn't stupid, but I still think they they need to do tens of these experiments and see if it's a recurring theme. Of course I've doubted light speed being the fastest thing in existence for ages so this really wasn't too surprising to me personally, but they're still going to have to continue experimenting and to confirm this. Then, we're just going to have to wait until we find the jumpgate, wormhole and time warp technologies. | ||
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raanwi
Germany14 Posts
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
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brachester
Australia1786 Posts
On September 23 2011 23:52 Robinsa wrote: I was VERY sceptical when I read this this morning and discarded it as some sort of fault on thei end. I think odds still favor some sort of error on CERNs end but maybe theyve found something awsome. I wonder what it can mean to Physics in a longer perspective. It means that if what they found were prove to be right, that neutrios indeed travel faster than light, then they'll have to throw all hundred years worth of physics since almost all of our modern physics and recent centuries physics, even einstein's theory of relativity all base on the principle that the speed of light is the ultimate speed in the universe that none can travel faster than light. | ||
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StoRm_res
Switzerland891 Posts
On September 23 2011 23:57 brachester wrote: It means that if what they found were prove to be right, that neutrios indeed travel faster than light, then they'll have to throw all hundred years worth of physics since almost all of our modern physics and recent centuries physics, even einstein's theory of relativity all base on the principle that the speed of light is the ultimate speed in the universe that none can travel faster than light. Thats simply not true. Quantum mechanics still works, all other experiments still back up Einstein theory of relativity. (Your GPS still works) It just means the theory has to be corrected, because not everything in it would be wrong. The guys who doubted they didnt measure the curvature and stuff like that, if they had watched the webcast they would just have to stfu ^^ Very interesting topic. As a third year physics student myself I'm still sceptical but very excited about this =) | ||
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radiatoren
Denmark1907 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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gogogadgetflow
United States2583 Posts
-yes DID YOU THINK ABOUT THE ROTATION OF THE EARTH -yes what makes these scientists think its gonna be explained away so easily. | ||
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StoRm_res
Switzerland891 Posts
Probably they got their question out of this thread  | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
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kirdie
Germany221 Posts
What I mean is: Until now "light speed" and "max speed" was used synonymously. But if we just decouple the two and just use "maximum speed" instead with light speed being very close and neutrino speed very very close, then I don't see this breaking the existing theories. P.S.: To explain further. "Maximum speed" could be the theoretical speed a particle of no mass could attain. As all particles have mass (even energy does, maybe neutrinos are lighter than photons?) it would make sense that photons would not attain that highest theoretically possible information speed border. Please point out if there is an error in my logic :-) | ||
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CCitrus
Canada164 Posts
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StoRm_res
Switzerland891 Posts
On September 24 2011 00:30 kirdie wrote: I don't really see the problem. Can't we just replace "light speed" by "neutrino speed" in all documents and formulas and then everything magically works out again? :-) What I mean is: Until now "light speed" and "max speed" was used synonymously. But if we just decouple the two and just use "maximum speed" instead with light speed being very close and neutrino speed very very close, then I don't see this breaking the existing theories. It's not that easy. Because the neutrinos have mass, and the relative mass diverges as the speed increases, i.e. you can't accelerate a massive particle to the maximum speed. If photons had infinitesimal mass themselves, you're point would be valid, but as far as we know, they don't | ||
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