EPTCERN finds neutrinos faster than light - Page 25
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Scythe90
Australia137 Posts
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Singularity
Sweden142 Posts
Important to credit physicists for this! | ||
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shammythefox
United Kingdom286 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:37 Suvorov wrote: You really think these top class scientists would fuck up like that? Specially after they said they searched for errors? The alternative is that einstein 'fucked up' The 'toppest' class scientist that has ever been. Disregarding errors on that basis is clearly ridiculous | ||
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shammythefox
United Kingdom286 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:28 sleepingdog wrote: lol try finding falsifiable answers to metaphysical questions, I wish you good luck with that anywho, I won't continue this discussion on that matter as it belongs in another topic of its own; don't feel like I'm avoiding the discussion itself though IE the origin of the universe? things like that. Quite obviously this is the end goal of physics, and while it remains unanswered falsifiable theories such as the big bang have brought us much closer than ever before. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:41 Scythe90 wrote: Best part of the thread is reading people offer their explanations on what is going on. I'm pretty sure that all of the people CERN didn't just make a simple mistake in measuring this observation. There is a reason they are looking to other sources for an explanation. Ya i find it hilarious aswell. Go look at the paper and find their errors if you really think you are smarter then the physicists working at CERN. Posting on TL what your (ridiculous) idea for their error is.... pointless. | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
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Ninja [X]
Korea (South)40 Posts
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nihlon
Sweden5581 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:48 Disquiet wrote: Seems like even if this is true this won't really have any real world implications. The "faster than the speed of light" is a great tag line, brings a lot of hype... but they are neutrinos, and its only very slightly faster. Whats great is that whether true or not it will stimulate a lot of research/interest in physics, which has been quiet for a while. What with all the "real world application" (I assume you didn't mean implication) obsession people seem to have? If it's true it will have at least have a major inpact on the physics field and how we view the laws of physics. Who knows what that will lead to in the end. (Leaning heavily on the "If" part) | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:52 Ninja [X] wrote: I want to ask something: All say that indeed if there is something that travels faster than light, it will break physics and the entire scientific community will be in disarray. How exactly is this? What are the practical ramifications if there are indeed things that travel faster than light. I know that in Einstein's terms it means that object has to have infinite energy, so I can guess this means end of energy crisis, and possible all human problems. But even if so, how will it be harnessed? travel faster than light = infinite mass. That would be huge if it was true ! In 200years, i'll be able to buy my Millennium Falcon ! :D | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:48 Disquiet wrote: Seems like even if this is true this won't really have any real world implications. The "faster than the speed of light" is a great tag line, brings a lot of hype... but they are neutrinos, I'm not physicist but it seems like we don't really understand them anyway, and its only very slightly faster. Whats great is that whether true or not it will stimulate a lot of research/interest in physics, which has been quiet for a while. If something breaks the limits of what's possible, if even so slightly, it's pretty FUCKING HUGE. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
On September 23 2011 09:55 yarkO wrote: I think it is a bit funny that people are suggesting that this is just simple mistake made by world-leading physicists... To be fair it's mostly physicists being sceptical about other physicists. You probably need a minimum of a BSc in physics or mathematics to even be able to contribute to understanding this debate. This is perfectly normal scientific enquiry. We don't argue from authority, we argue from experiment, observation, and theory. Our natural reaction to something that makes us go "what the fuck" is to attempt to make sure it's actually a "what the fuck" event, and then ask "what the fuck". I want to ask something: All say that indeed if there is something that travels faster than light, it will break physics and the entire scientific community will be in disarray. How exactly is this? What are the practical ramifications if there are indeed things that travel faster than light. I know that in Einstein's terms it means that object has to have infinite energy, so I can guess this means end of energy crisis, and possible all human problems. But even if so, how will it be harnessed? It becomes very messy. That's really all I can say about it, and that's after a pretty decent grounding in relativity from a physics degree. The neutrino breaches the light cone of the event that created it, and that's pretty significant. | ||
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Felka
Netherlands87 Posts
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Doko
Argentina1737 Posts
Also. If you take for granted that neutrinos can move faster than light what would it take to make them even faster? | ||
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:44 shammythefox wrote: The alternative is that einstein 'fucked up' The 'toppest' class scientist that has ever been. Disregarding errors on that basis is clearly ridiculous einstein didn't even know about half the shit we know about. Based on the informtation we had, he had a theory that lasted well into future discoveries. If anything, the fact that he is just now (if it's true) being proved wrong shows how brilliant he is. | ||
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Mammel
Finland189 Posts
Or is the point that if something can move faster, then, with enough knowledge/right means, you can make any object do that? Or is saying "Einstein was wrong" so blasphemous that it rises such a shitstorm? | ||
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Maenander
Germany4926 Posts
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Duka08
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
On September 23 2011 23:00 Kira__ wrote: If something breaks the limits of what's possible, if even so slightly, it's pretty FUCKING HUGE. Even if neutrinos are travelling faster than light, nothing's breaking. They've always been able to do so and relativity has done a pretty good job of predicting observable effects since it was first theorized. | ||
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buhhy
United States1113 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:44 shammythefox wrote: The alternative is that einstein 'fucked up' The 'toppest' class scientist that has ever been. Disregarding errors on that basis is clearly ridiculous Einstein's been wrong before. On September 23 2011 23:05 Doko wrote: Right now it seems easier to say that there's a mistake just based on the speed value they got, if it was a lot higher than light everyone would be like WOW holy shit. Also. If you take for granted that neutrinos can move faster than light what would it take to make them even faster? The speed value itself isn't important, it's the fact that the speed is faster than light consistently that's mindblowing. | ||
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