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[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
OAKLAND, Calif. (AP) -- An Iraq War veteran whose skull was fractured during an Occupy Oakland protest last fall was hit by a beanbag round fired by a police officer, not a tear gas canister, his lawyer said. Scott Olsen was struck by a beanbag fired from less than 30 feet away during the clash, Olsen's attorney Mark Martel, told the San Francisco Chronicle on Wednesday. Oakland police confirmed the beanbag shot in an e-mail sent by investigator looking into the department's handling of the protests, said Martel, who is preparing to file a claim against the department. Police haven't said previously what hit Olsen, and didn't immediately return e-mail messages from The Associated Press on Thursday. "The fact that it was a beanbag shot, which was not what we thought, puts it in a completely different light," Martel said. "If he was hit by a tear gas canister, that would just be stupid or negligent. "But if it was a beanbag -- those are meant to hit people, and it tells me that whoever did it, did it intentionally." Olsen was injured during a nighttime protest on Oct. 25, after police cleared the Occupy Oakland encampment in front of City Hall during an early morning raid. He suffered a fractured skull that led to a brain injury and difficulty with his speech. Martel said videos showing Olsen, a former Marine and also a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, during the protest show that whoever shot him was within 30 feet. Source | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
According to @OWS_Casper, police brutality started when a man was giving out flyers and police tried to stop him, started pushing him. #ows ![[image loading]](https://p.twimg.com/AoNW3irCMAA3qUp.jpg) | ||
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
And OWS has had no political success. I suppose that without firm leadership and message, it was doomed to fail from the start. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:48 Praetorial wrote: A year already? I guess time does fly. And OWS has had no political success. I suppose that without firm leadership and message, it was doomed to fail from the start. It was doomed to fail regardless. | ||
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Tewks44
United States2032 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:48 Praetorial wrote: A year already? I guess time does fly. And OWS has had no political success. I suppose that without firm leadership and message, it was doomed to fail from the start. in all fairness their "message" was rabble rabble! we're upset! and they got that across quite well. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On March 18 2012 03:48 Praetorial wrote: A year already? I guess time does fly. And OWS has had no political success. I suppose that without firm leadership and message, it was doomed to fail from the start. i guess its a year since the lybian uprising not the ows movement itself that started on the 17th of september afaik | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
"We are the 99%" is definitely not a cause. If only they were able to band together to fight corporate lobbying or advocate campaign financing reform. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On March 18 2012 08:43 Voltaire wrote: It's a shame that the protesters were never able to actually form a cause. "We are the 99%" is definitely not a cause. it's a shame people actively try not to listen to others. here, i'll get you started. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On March 18 2012 08:52 Roe wrote: it's a shame people actively try not to listen to others. here, i'll get you started. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCiAG7LF7Q4 TYT ftw | ||
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xavra41
United States220 Posts
On March 18 2012 08:43 Voltaire wrote: It's a shame that the protesters were never able to actually form a cause. "We are the 99%" is definitely not a cause. If only they were able to band together to fight corporate lobbying or advocate campaign financing reform. They want other peoples' money - that's the cause | ||
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darthfoley
United States8003 Posts
On March 18 2012 08:58 xavra41 wrote: They want other peoples' money - that's the cause Lol, the typical big bank comeback. | ||
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xavra41
United States220 Posts
You obviously haven't heard what they are saying. Two most common demands are tax people making 250k more and have the government provide me with a job | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On March 18 2012 09:11 xavra41 wrote: You obviously haven't heard what they are saying. Two most common demands are tax people making 250k more and have the government provide me with a job That's a ridiculous simplification, but even if it were true, those are pretty decent demands imo, given that inequality/austerity has almost universally created economic stagnation or collapse where implemented, and countries with robust public sectors have been the most resilient to global economic woes. The government is here to provide for society after all. | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
On March 18 2012 08:52 Roe wrote: it's a shame people actively try not to listen to others. here, i'll get you started. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCiAG7LF7Q4 That video is ancient, that declaration never saw the light of day. Sure, there are a few people who have legitimate reasons to protest, but most of the people involved have no idea what those 22 reasons are. Just because a small group of individuals creates a "declaration" doesn't mean that the entire movement understands it and supports it. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
On March 18 2012 09:17 Voltaire wrote: That video is ancient, that declaration never saw the light of day. Sure, there are a few people who have legitimate reasons to protest, but most of the people involved have no idea what those 22 reasons are. Just because a small group of individuals creates a "declaration" doesn't mean that the entire movement understands it and supports it. you're saying you know what the entire movement thinks? | ||
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Voltaire
United States1485 Posts
On March 18 2012 09:18 Roe wrote: you're saying you know what the entire movement thinks? Nope, that's what you're saying. What I'm saying is that there is no clear, consolidated message coming from the protests other than "We are the 99%", which is just a simple fact. It's just a big clusterfuck of people who are pissed off at the current situation, without any clear proposed solutions going along with it. | ||
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xavra41
United States220 Posts
On March 18 2012 09:15 caradoc wrote: That's a ridiculous simplification, but even if it were true, those are pretty decent demands imo, given that inequality/austerity has almost universally created economic stagnation or collapse where implemented, and countries with robust public sectors have been the most resilient to global economic woes. The government is here to provide for society after all. You're right. It is oversimplification. They also want anarchy. communism, and legalizing all drugs. But, no, those are not decent demands. Why should doctors who have to incur massive amounts of debt be taxed more? It is not like there aren't any jobs, it is that there aren't many jobs for unskilled labor. Community college is free for those with this entitlement disorder and yet they would rather lay on the street for a year. If they spent all that time at school that is a technical or associates degree that people from countries with real problems come to fill. And yes the rich are paying more than their fair share. | ||
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radscorpion9
Canada2252 Posts
On March 18 2012 08:52 Roe wrote: it's a shame people actively try not to listen to others. here, i'll get you started. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCiAG7LF7Q4 So, after watching 4 minutes, I think the main message was that there was a "declaration of the occupation of new york" made. I think he elaborates on a few points, but its mostly snide commentary. If you actually go to the website, the declaration isn't so much a unified statement of what change they want to create, but an airing of grievances. And I quote (written after the long list of 23 statements): *These grievances are not all-inclusive. Also as examples: They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. I think its clear that these aren't really goals that are achievable. They are more or less vague accusations and grievances, without any specific metrics about what was done, and more importantly what they want done about it. I can sympathize with their anger that things weren't going so well. But you have to admit a big failing of the protest was their inability to coalesce around any meaningful goal. It was essentially a group of people with many, many different problems, issues and backgrounds. Add to the fact that we know they deliberately chose not to have a system of leaders or representation of any kind (everything was done through direct democracy). Nothing could have been accomplished. In a sense it was kind of silly to begin with. But at least they started a dialogue, of some kind, going somewhere. | ||
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