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Ender985
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain910 Posts
December 01 2011 12:08 GMT
#3761
On December 01 2011 20:41 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2011 04:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Nobody finds it disturbing that Police are now telling Media/Journalists they cannot cover the raid on protesters or they will face arrest?


I hope the journalists don't give a crap. I see no justification for such restrictions.


That is why we now have twitter, streaming, etc. Be your own journalist.
Member of the Pirate Party - direct democracy, institutional transparency, and freedom of information
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-01 22:42:06
December 01 2011 22:39 GMT
#3762
To occupy a public area in a public commune is extremely draining. I now understand how homeless people die so quickly, it is hell to be "camping" in public.

And when I'm tired and bummed out about the sacrifices I'm making I go to wired.com on a library break and shit like this is still going on

No Trial provision for american "terrorists"


Get them guys, agree or disagree, share the knowledge you believe to be true - with everyone you know. Teach people the things that being an internet lurker is all about, the dirty secrets we are all so used to reading.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 00:00:41
December 01 2011 23:59 GMT
#3763
On December 02 2011 07:39 AttackZerg wrote:
To occupy a public area in a public commune is extremely draining. I now understand how homeless people die so quickly, it is hell to be "camping" in public.

And when I'm tired and bummed out about the sacrifices I'm making I go to wired.com on a library break and shit like this is still going on

No Trial provision for american "terrorists"


Get them guys, agree or disagree, share the knowledge you believe to be true - with everyone you know. Teach people the things that being an internet lurker is all about, the dirty secrets we are all so used to reading.

This kind of legislation just shows how out of touch they are with the original ideals, talk about going against the constitution this sort of half ass justification for throwing people in prison without trail is what the Constitution was about. They can prove that they are terrorist suspects? yet they can't figure out how to hold them on trail for plots of terrorism? talk about full of shit.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-03 23:04:26
December 03 2011 23:02 GMT
#3764
http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/
by G.E. Miller on October 12, 2010
some perspective to those who say that workers are lazy here

The U.S. is the ONLY country in the Americas without a national paid parental leave benefit. The average is over 12 weeks of paid leave anywhere other than Europe and over 20 weeks in Europe.
Zero industrialized nations are without a mandatory option for new parents to take parental leave. That is, except for the United States.

At least 134 countries have laws setting the maximum length of the work week; the U.S. does not.

In the U.S., 85.8 percent of males and 66.5 percent of females work more than 40 hours per week.

According to the ILO, “Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.”

Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. One way to look at that is that it should only take one-quarter the work hours, or 11 hours per week, to afford the same standard of living as a worker in 1950 (or our standard of living should be 4 times higher). Is that the case? Obviously not. Someone is profiting, it’s just not the average American worker.
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aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
December 03 2011 23:33 GMT
#3765
On December 04 2011 08:02 semantics wrote:
http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/
by G.E. Miller on October 12, 2010
some perspective to those who say that workers are lazy here

Show nested quote +
The U.S. is the ONLY country in the Americas without a national paid parental leave benefit. The average is over 12 weeks of paid leave anywhere other than Europe and over 20 weeks in Europe.
Zero industrialized nations are without a mandatory option for new parents to take parental leave. That is, except for the United States.

At least 134 countries have laws setting the maximum length of the work week; the U.S. does not.

In the U.S., 85.8 percent of males and 66.5 percent of females work more than 40 hours per week.

According to the ILO, “Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.”

Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. One way to look at that is that it should only take one-quarter the work hours, or 11 hours per week, to afford the same standard of living as a worker in 1950 (or our standard of living should be 4 times higher). Is that the case? Obviously not. Someone is profiting, it’s just not the average American worker.
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http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/americans-most-productive-workers-in-the-world/story-e6frfkp9-1111114328846

According to this article linked on that page, Americans average over $78,000 (2006) per worker every year in production, yet the median income is only in the mid $40,000s (2004). This shows that US production is really underpaid for the most part.
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 07:53:01
December 07 2011 07:52 GMT
#3766
http://wearethe99percent.tumblr.com/
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/01/142982293/occupy-protesters-consider-political-future
news updates
http://www.npr.org/2011/12/06/143202840/thousands-flood-d-c-for-take-back-the-capitol
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/2011/10/06/occupysf-heats-up-video-of-last-nights-protest/
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/11/30/142931436/police-clear-occupy-camps-in-los-angeles-and-philadelphia
http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-fi-occupy-home-20111206,0,783047.story
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=143078055
I'll make excepts in the morning if i have the time but i just noticed a lack of traffic in this thread.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
December 07 2011 08:00 GMT
#3767
On December 04 2011 08:02 semantics wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/
by G.E. Miller on October 12, 2010
some perspective to those who say that workers are lazy here

The U.S. is the ONLY country in the Americas without a national paid parental leave benefit. The average is over 12 weeks of paid leave anywhere other than Europe and over 20 weeks in Europe.
Zero industrialized nations are without a mandatory option for new parents to take parental leave. That is, except for the United States.

At least 134 countries have laws setting the maximum length of the work week; the U.S. does not.

In the U.S., 85.8 percent of males and 66.5 percent of females work more than 40 hours per week.

According to the ILO, “Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.”

Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. One way to look at that is that it should only take one-quarter the work hours, or 11 hours per week, to afford the same standard of living as a worker in 1950 (or our standard of living should be 4 times higher). Is that the case? Obviously not. Someone is profiting, it’s just not the average American worker.
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What does unpaid work mean?
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
December 07 2011 08:11 GMT
#3768
My guess is hours worked over 40 hours per week in a salaried position where overtime isn't paid. Of course, the assumption is that the salary is only for 40 hours per week, which isn't necessarily the case.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10703 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 08:35:53
December 07 2011 08:35 GMT
#3769
On December 07 2011 17:11 Kaitlin wrote:
My guess is hours worked over 40 hours per week in a salaried position where overtime isn't paid. Of course, the assumption is that the salary is only for 40 hours per week, which isn't necessarily the case.


Normally it just means work you do in your freetime/do not get paid for like taking care of your parents or doing other volunteer work.


I have absolutely 0 idea why anyone would bring that up in this topic...
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 07 2011 08:55 GMT
#3770
It seems to mean "cooking, caring and volunteering" in that OECD study, so something completely separate of the job that is counted as "paid work".

About that paid annual leave and holiday criticism, I think that is useless to argue about, if you strictly think of annual salaries. It is just a matter of how you look at it in whatever calculations you do when you compare two jobs. For example, you are actually required to take off days from work at a typical job here in Germany, because those extra days you were not supposed to work for in that year would mean problems for the company regarding regulations, so no one actually has access to that money involving those days.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
December 07 2011 09:10 GMT
#3771
On December 07 2011 17:55 Ropid wrote:
It seems to mean "cooking, caring and volunteering" in that OECD study, so something completely separate of the job that is counted as "paid work".

About that paid annual leave and holiday criticism, I think that is useless to argue about, if you strictly think of annual salaries. It is just a matter of how you look at it in whatever calculations you do when you compare two jobs. For example, you are actually required to take off days from work at a typical job here in Germany, because those extra days you were not supposed to work for in that year would mean problems for the company regarding regulations, so no one actually has access to that money involving those days.

http://www.oecd.org/document/60/0,3746,en_21571361_44315115_47567356_1_1_1_1,00.html

That's a page that helps explain it. From the article:
"A special chapter in the report looks at unpaid work, such as cooking, cleaning, caring, and shopping, in 26 OECD countries, as well as China, India and South Africa."
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10703 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 09:38:33
December 07 2011 09:38 GMT
#3772
And how is that relevant to this topic in any way or form?
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
December 07 2011 09:51 GMT
#3773
Wait, somebody who does some sort of research into this stuff actually considers going to the mall, and cooking dinner to be "work" ?
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 10:02:09
December 07 2011 10:01 GMT
#3774
Well, you could pay someone to do it so I guess strictly speaking you could call it that. This is what's said later in the article.

Most unpaid work is housework. Mexicans do the most, at more than 3 hours per day, and Koreans the least, at 1 hour and 19 minutes. Much of this time is spent cooking. Americans spend the least time cooking each day (30 minutes) and Turks the most in the OECD (74 minutes). Most people spend around 50 minutes a day cooking.

Shopping also makes up a big part of unpaid work. Most people in OECD countries spend 23 minutes a day shopping, with the French spending the most (32 minutes) and the Koreans the least (13 minutes).

The report also attempts to estimate how much unpaid work is worth as a percentage of GDP for the 25 OECD countries for which data are available. It finds that the value of unpaid work is considerable, equivalent to about one-third of GDP in OECD countries, ranging from a low of 19% in Korea to a high of 53% in Portugal.


Anyway I'm not sure either how this tie into the topic so I'll just leave it at that.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-07 10:05:38
December 07 2011 10:01 GMT
#3775
"Work" is defined differently in economics, it's something along the lines of "stuff labor does that carries some real wage", I'm somewhat unclear on that point. And yes, going to the mall and cooking dinner are considered unpaid work for obvious reasons.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
December 10 2011 07:14 GMT
#3776
Enemy Combatants

A month ago, our camp here in Sacramento was infiltrated by 3 nefarious soft bodied enemys of liberty, Luckily the Sacramento police department is here to ensure my safety.
MasterBlasterCaster
Profile Joined October 2011
United States568 Posts
December 10 2011 07:20 GMT
#3777
I don't know about all this... seems like a way to troll real life.

We'll see though... maybe they'll accidentally do something useful.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
December 11 2011 05:15 GMT
#3778
what do we want - JUSTICE
when do we want it - NOW

Boundless Treason - And still the DOJ sits idle


Please, my teamliquid brothers and sister, regardless of your political affiliations, DEMAND JUSTICE. The world economy has been strategically raped. Do not sit idle.

We have a responsibility to the world of tomorrow to fight these battles.

Anybody lacking ideas on how to make a difference please pm me. There are non-violent - non-occupy related things that require an army of articulate people to accomplish.
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
December 11 2011 05:23 GMT
#3779
On December 07 2011 18:51 Kaitlin wrote:
Wait, somebody who does some sort of research into this stuff actually considers going to the mall, and cooking dinner to be "work" ?


"Going to the mall" isn't covered, buying essentials is (which is then, generally, used in cooking). How is cooking dinner not work? Does your dinner magically make itself? It's not exactly a controversial measure.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
December 12 2011 13:57 GMT
#3780
Today may very well be a day of historical importance. Today the largest shutdown of U.S ports planned.

The entire west coast, although it seems that L.A and San Diego will be under-manned and unable to cause a true shutdown. Actions across the entire U.S have been orchestrated.

http://westcoastportshutdown.org/

Different sources, some secure, some public have confirmed independently that between 12,000 and 18,000 inter-agency police are on hand. The National Guard spent Monday strategically moving soldiers into Oakland, and it is rumored San Francisco.

Today might be the first day the history books call the start of the "Revolution".


If you live in Seattle, Portland, Tacoma, Vancouver, San Francisco, Oakland, L.A, or San Diego, head on down with a camera, or a notepad and document a small part of history.

The people united will never be divided.

We are unstoppable another world is possible.
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