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On December 01 2011 20:41 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 04:15 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Nobody finds it disturbing that Police are now telling Media/Journalists they cannot cover the raid on protesters or they will face arrest? I hope the journalists don't give a crap. I see no justification for such restrictions.
That is why we now have twitter, streaming, etc. Be your own journalist.
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To occupy a public area in a public commune is extremely draining. I now understand how homeless people die so quickly, it is hell to be "camping" in public.
And when I'm tired and bummed out about the sacrifices I'm making I go to wired.com on a library break and shit like this is still going on
No Trial provision for american "terrorists"
Get them guys, agree or disagree, share the knowledge you believe to be true - with everyone you know. Teach people the things that being an internet lurker is all about, the dirty secrets we are all so used to reading.
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On December 02 2011 07:39 AttackZerg wrote:To occupy a public area in a public commune is extremely draining. I now understand how homeless people die so quickly, it is hell to be "camping" in public. And when I'm tired and bummed out about the sacrifices I'm making I go to wired.com on a library break and shit like this is still going on No Trial provision for american "terrorists"Get them guys, agree or disagree, share the knowledge you believe to be true - with everyone you know. Teach people the things that being an internet lurker is all about, the dirty secrets we are all so used to reading. This kind of legislation just shows how out of touch they are with the original ideals, talk about going against the constitution this sort of half ass justification for throwing people in prison without trail is what the Constitution was about. They can prove that they are terrorist suspects? yet they can't figure out how to hold them on trail for plots of terrorism? talk about full of shit.
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http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/ by G.E. Miller on October 12, 2010 some perspective to those who say that workers are lazy here
The U.S. is the ONLY country in the Americas without a national paid parental leave benefit. The average is over 12 weeks of paid leave anywhere other than Europe and over 20 weeks in Europe. Zero industrialized nations are without a mandatory option for new parents to take parental leave. That is, except for the United States. At least 134 countries have laws setting the maximum length of the work week; the U.S. does not. In the U.S., 85.8 percent of males and 66.5 percent of females work more than 40 hours per week. According to the ILO, “Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.” Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. One way to look at that is that it should only take one-quarter the work hours, or 11 hours per week, to afford the same standard of living as a worker in 1950 (or our standard of living should be 4 times higher). Is that the case? Obviously not. Someone is profiting, it’s just not the average American worker. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7e3Iq.jpg) more stats and opinion on the site
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On December 04 2011 08:02 semantics wrote:http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/by G.E. Miller on October 12, 2010 some perspective to those who say that workers are lazy here Show nested quote +The U.S. is the ONLY country in the Americas without a national paid parental leave benefit. The average is over 12 weeks of paid leave anywhere other than Europe and over 20 weeks in Europe. Zero industrialized nations are without a mandatory option for new parents to take parental leave. That is, except for the United States. At least 134 countries have laws setting the maximum length of the work week; the U.S. does not. In the U.S., 85.8 percent of males and 66.5 percent of females work more than 40 hours per week. According to the ILO, “Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.” Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. One way to look at that is that it should only take one-quarter the work hours, or 11 hours per week, to afford the same standard of living as a worker in 1950 (or our standard of living should be 4 times higher). Is that the case? Obviously not. Someone is profiting, it’s just not the average American worker. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7e3Iq.jpg) more stats and opinion on the site ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Jhs1N.jpg) http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/americans-most-productive-workers-in-the-world/story-e6frfkp9-1111114328846
According to this article linked on that page, Americans average over $78,000 (2006) per worker every year in production, yet the median income is only in the mid $40,000s (2004). This shows that US production is really underpaid for the most part.
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On December 04 2011 08:02 semantics wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://20somethingfinance.com/american-hours-worked-productivity-vacation/ by G.E. Miller on October 12, 2010 some perspective to those who say that workers are lazy here The U.S. is the ONLY country in the Americas without a national paid parental leave benefit. The average is over 12 weeks of paid leave anywhere other than Europe and over 20 weeks in Europe. Zero industrialized nations are without a mandatory option for new parents to take parental leave. That is, except for the United States. At least 134 countries have laws setting the maximum length of the work week; the U.S. does not. In the U.S., 85.8 percent of males and 66.5 percent of females work more than 40 hours per week. According to the ILO, “Americans work 137 more hours per year than Japanese workers, 260 more hours per year than British workers, and 499 more hours per year than French workers.” Using data by the U.S. BLS, the average productivity per American worker has increased 400% since 1950. One way to look at that is that it should only take one-quarter the work hours, or 11 hours per week, to afford the same standard of living as a worker in 1950 (or our standard of living should be 4 times higher). Is that the case? Obviously not. Someone is profiting, it’s just not the average American worker. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7e3Iq.jpg) more stats and opinion on the site ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Jhs1N.jpg)
What does unpaid work mean?
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My guess is hours worked over 40 hours per week in a salaried position where overtime isn't paid. Of course, the assumption is that the salary is only for 40 hours per week, which isn't necessarily the case.
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On December 07 2011 17:11 Kaitlin wrote: My guess is hours worked over 40 hours per week in a salaried position where overtime isn't paid. Of course, the assumption is that the salary is only for 40 hours per week, which isn't necessarily the case.
Normally it just means work you do in your freetime/do not get paid for like taking care of your parents or doing other volunteer work.
I have absolutely 0 idea why anyone would bring that up in this topic...
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It seems to mean "cooking, caring and volunteering" in that OECD study, so something completely separate of the job that is counted as "paid work".
About that paid annual leave and holiday criticism, I think that is useless to argue about, if you strictly think of annual salaries. It is just a matter of how you look at it in whatever calculations you do when you compare two jobs. For example, you are actually required to take off days from work at a typical job here in Germany, because those extra days you were not supposed to work for in that year would mean problems for the company regarding regulations, so no one actually has access to that money involving those days.
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On December 07 2011 17:55 Ropid wrote: It seems to mean "cooking, caring and volunteering" in that OECD study, so something completely separate of the job that is counted as "paid work".
About that paid annual leave and holiday criticism, I think that is useless to argue about, if you strictly think of annual salaries. It is just a matter of how you look at it in whatever calculations you do when you compare two jobs. For example, you are actually required to take off days from work at a typical job here in Germany, because those extra days you were not supposed to work for in that year would mean problems for the company regarding regulations, so no one actually has access to that money involving those days. http://www.oecd.org/document/60/0,3746,en_21571361_44315115_47567356_1_1_1_1,00.html
That's a page that helps explain it. From the article: "A special chapter in the report looks at unpaid work, such as cooking, cleaning, caring, and shopping, in 26 OECD countries, as well as China, India and South Africa."
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And how is that relevant to this topic in any way or form?
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Wait, somebody who does some sort of research into this stuff actually considers going to the mall, and cooking dinner to be "work" ?
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Well, you could pay someone to do it so I guess strictly speaking you could call it that. This is what's said later in the article.
Most unpaid work is housework. Mexicans do the most, at more than 3 hours per day, and Koreans the least, at 1 hour and 19 minutes. Much of this time is spent cooking. Americans spend the least time cooking each day (30 minutes) and Turks the most in the OECD (74 minutes). Most people spend around 50 minutes a day cooking.
Shopping also makes up a big part of unpaid work. Most people in OECD countries spend 23 minutes a day shopping, with the French spending the most (32 minutes) and the Koreans the least (13 minutes).
The report also attempts to estimate how much unpaid work is worth as a percentage of GDP for the 25 OECD countries for which data are available. It finds that the value of unpaid work is considerable, equivalent to about one-third of GDP in OECD countries, ranging from a low of 19% in Korea to a high of 53% in Portugal.
Anyway I'm not sure either how this tie into the topic so I'll just leave it at that.
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"Work" is defined differently in economics, it's something along the lines of "stuff labor does that carries some real wage", I'm somewhat unclear on that point. And yes, going to the mall and cooking dinner are considered unpaid work for obvious reasons.
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Enemy Combatants
A month ago, our camp here in Sacramento was infiltrated by 3 nefarious soft bodied enemys of liberty, Luckily the Sacramento police department is here to ensure my safety.
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I don't know about all this... seems like a way to troll real life.
We'll see though... maybe they'll accidentally do something useful.
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what do we want - JUSTICE when do we want it - NOW
Boundless Treason - And still the DOJ sits idle
Please, my teamliquid brothers and sister, regardless of your political affiliations, DEMAND JUSTICE. The world economy has been strategically raped. Do not sit idle.
We have a responsibility to the world of tomorrow to fight these battles.
Anybody lacking ideas on how to make a difference please pm me. There are non-violent - non-occupy related things that require an army of articulate people to accomplish.
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On December 07 2011 18:51 Kaitlin wrote: Wait, somebody who does some sort of research into this stuff actually considers going to the mall, and cooking dinner to be "work" ?
"Going to the mall" isn't covered, buying essentials is (which is then, generally, used in cooking). How is cooking dinner not work? Does your dinner magically make itself? It's not exactly a controversial measure.
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Today may very well be a day of historical importance. Today the largest shutdown of U.S ports planned.
The entire west coast, although it seems that L.A and San Diego will be under-manned and unable to cause a true shutdown. Actions across the entire U.S have been orchestrated.
http://westcoastportshutdown.org/
Different sources, some secure, some public have confirmed independently that between 12,000 and 18,000 inter-agency police are on hand. The National Guard spent Monday strategically moving soldiers into Oakland, and it is rumored San Francisco.
Today might be the first day the history books call the start of the "Revolution".
If you live in Seattle, Portland, Tacoma, Vancouver, San Francisco, Oakland, L.A, or San Diego, head on down with a camera, or a notepad and document a small part of history.
The people united will never be divided.
We are unstoppable another world is possible.
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