Occupy Wall Street - Page 181

On November 20 2011 02:51 TruthIsCold wrote:

From browsing through this thread, I can tell that StealthBlue is a big fan of the "cops are brutalizing people" angle. I'm wondering if he gets this kind of stuff emailed to him, or if he searches for it online.

You are right, when people refuse to follow lawful police orders, the police have NO CHOICE but to use force to enforce the law.

If I was a part of this movement, I would take some fucking personal responsibility for my behavior. I would say, "yes, they told me to leave, and yes, I stayed, knowing full well there was a chance I would get gassed or jabbed or pushed or arrested. I knowingly took that risk, so I have no right to whine about it occurring."

But we all know that isn't how the victimization train is run.

On November 21 2011 02:35 seppolevne wrote:
A bunch of narcissists? I'm pretty sure it's a group of people that have realised that your country is a fucking hellhole and want to change it for the better, to make everyone a little better off. That sounds like the opposite of narcissism, actually.

edit: Are you fucking serious?
"characterized by a lack of empathy, a willingness to exploit others, and an inflated sense of self-importance"
is pretty much exactly why all these people are fucked, and THEY are the narcissists? What the fuck goes on in your brain?

Enforcement and raw violence are not the same thing. Many of the videos I've seen have nothing to do with practical enforcement of their orders - such as savagely pulling a woman's hair (ironically dragging her in the direction opposite of where they want protesters to go), continuously beating people when they're already down or trying to comply with orders, randomly slashing at them for no clear reason, etc.

That is not law enforcement in a civilized society.

On November 21 2011 02:57 DreamChaser wrote:
I've always wondered how Cops can be so brutal to peaceful protestors. Obviously i dont want to generalize all cops (my uncle is a NYPD cop) and say they are just listening to orders. Some might but what about the others who are there because its their job. I don't know much about PD's but im pretty sure the ranking isn't as strict as say the military. Cops aren't half a world away from their family. These people that are protesting are people they might of known down the street or at the gym etc.. Maybe its just a small minority of cops who enjoy being given free reign to beat people because they can. But its always interested me.

On November 21 2011 02:50 Antares777 wrote:

A fucking hellhole? What?

They do not want to change it for the better more than they want to change it for themselves. That sounds like a bunch of narcissists to me.

The OWS movement allows a lot of self-centered people to go complain about what they want to be changed. There are people that want marijuana to be legalized and are protesting that law, there are people who want student loans to be changed in some way that benefits them, and then you got people who are just protesting capitalism. There are people that want to change things for the greater good, but they are the minority.

OWS needs to get their shit together, or stop protesting and go home.

On November 21 2011 03:04 DeepElemBlues wrote:


Unfortunately that's all your opinion. "Savagely" pulling hair ("in the opposite direction"!) is an opinion, "beating people when they're already down" is an opinion, "trying to comply" is an opinion, 'slashing for no clear reason' is an opinion. There are several good posts about police use of force to get compliance in recent pages, read them please.

"That is not law enforcement in a civilized country" is stereotypical and is an insult to the ~4,000 killed in the last 3 months in Syria by real uncivilized policing, or the people killed in Iran in 2009, or the dozens who seem to get killed every few months by the PLA at a protest in China.

On November 21 2011 03:14 seppolevne wrote:

They are people who want lobbying out of government. Which accounts for most of the stupid laws corruption in your country.

On November 21 2011 03:14 seppolevne wrote:

They are people who want lobbying out of government. Which accounts for most of the stupid laws corruption in your country.

On November 21 2011 03:32 Pillage wrote:


Not going to happen anytime soon. The reason private sector lobbying exists is so that company A doesn't get completely railed by regulations + red tape. Frankly I'm not that disgusted by it, but if there was a donation cap on campaign funds I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

On November 21 2011 04:12 semantics wrote:

pretty sure a single entity donation cap would just be circumnavigated by putting money into 3rd parties, further more it's already done that way, they put into 3rd parities who are not officially part of the campaign who run ads and does things on behalf of the candidate. Which was the only reason i was partial to a voucher sort of system that people would get as part of filing taxes or w.e essentially locking in a set amount each person can contribute to an election.

"When you start picking up human bodies, you risk hurting them," Kelly said. "Bodies don't have handles on them."

After reviewing the video, Kelly said he observed at least two cases of "active resistance" from protesters. In one instance, a woman pulls her arm back from an officer. In the second instance, a protester curls into a ball. Each of those actions could have warranted more force, including baton strikes and pressure-point techniques.

On November 21 2011 05:14 DigiGnar wrote:


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jKvf7nP1OnRlnopsb9mXt9MOb7KQ?docId=4fc70a7b680c40a0bac68efe25c00159

You risk hurting bodies when you pick them up, but when someone curls up in a ball because they don't want to be sprayed in the fucking face for SITTING ON THE FUCKING GROUND, it warrants BATON STRIKES. How ludicrous is that?

On November 21 2011 05:23 DigiGnar wrote:
It was on a college campus, rights and codes are different. The students have a right to the courtyard, which can hold up to 50,000 people. So, if it's able to hold that many people, how do 15 people sitting block anything?

On November 21 2011 05:29 DigiGnar wrote:
So, even though the courtyard can hold up to 50,000 people, these people deserve getting beaten and sprayed because they were told by a cop to move? If a cop told your mom to bend over and take it, would that be okay? Might seem like a long stretch, but what right does a cop have to tell a student to move when they aren't blocking ANYTHING?

http://sja.ucdavis.edu/free-expression.html

You should check that out, they have the right to free speech. While it does go on to say safety and whatnot, what's so dangerous about a person SITTING DOWN?

"You use your guns, we use our voice!"

So scary to use a voice. Almost peed a little.

On November 21 2011 05:17 Ungrateful wrote:


It's illegal to block roads and sidewalks. If the protesters did not did not move after a verbal command non-lethal force can be used.

"I am deeply saddened that this happened on our campus, and as chancellor, I take full responsibility for the incident," Katehi said in a statement Sunday. "However, I pledge to take the actions needed to ensure that this does not happen again. I feel very sorry for the harm our students were subjected to and I vow to work tirelessly to make the campus a more welcoming and safe place."

On November 21 2011 05:34 Voltaire wrote:


There was no reason for use of violence in that situation, though. The protesters weren't resisting arrest. The police could have gone in and handcuffed each one (like they usually do) without resorting to any violence whatsoever.