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On March 06 2012 04:02 ticklishmusic wrote:


That's exactly what I said. I don't understand why my fellow Americans complain so much about high gas prices.

On March 06 2012 04:12 Derez wrote:


You don't understand the concept of 'positive freedom' (more accurately, positive liberty), which at times is opposed to negative liberty, which is the concept of freedom you use. If anything, more 'negative' inceptions of freedom are predicated on good intentions of the individual, while more 'positive' forms start with a slightly more negative view of humanity.

On March 06 2012 04:14 Djzapz wrote:

Why are you surprised that there is less offshore drilling now than there was before the BP disaster.. Any semi-competent politician would at least take a step back and slow things down, it's how things are done.

What world do you live in where all the projects are blocked, stop being so freaking dishonest to further your points.

That's your answer to everything. Not commenting on it. It's not short sighted, the argument is that the current gas prices are high, stop being so fucking evasive.

Don't be wondering why so many people are getting annoyed with you, whenever you're in a corner you lie or blow things out of proportion and you insult people and tell them you're done with them. What the hell dude?

On March 06 2012 04:40 xDaunt wrote:
Would you rather I say that the argument is so fucking stupid that a three year old should be able to figure out why it is wrong? Do I really have to explain something as elementary as this to you? Fine, I will, because I don't want to appear to be "evasive."

There are always going to be upward pressures on gas prices as global demand increases. People have been bitching about high gas prices for years, and it likely that people will still be bitching about high gas prices ten years form now. So why not start drilling now to increase the amount of downward pressures on the price of gas. Hell, we'll even create jobs for Americans in the short term when we clearly need them.

On March 06 2012 03:51 ticklishmusic wrote:
I just want to throw out that gas prices in the US are pretty low compared to other places in the world. When I was in Austria about three years back, I think gas was four euros... per liter. When I was in Cambodia over the summer, I think it was something similar (since Cambodian money kind of stinks, they use US dollars for most transactions). Same thing for Taiwan.

US gas prices are kind of low compared to these countries. Austria and Taiwan are arguably pretty developed countries, probably on par or higher than the United States (for example, the Taiwanese shit themselves when the unemployment was past 5%, lol). Cambodia is a poorer nation and provides some contrast. Honestly, if all these nations can get by on more expensive gas, the US should be able to as well.

On March 06 2012 05:03 Doublemint wrote:


And putting Taiwan and Austria on the same level... I am far from a nationalist and hardly a patriot, but even I cannot let that bullshit fly - please look up the role of Austria - let´s say during the 17th/18th Century - and compare it to Taiwan. Most curious is that no one even tried to correct that... Don´t you learn anything about other countries over there...

On March 06 2012 05:41 ZeaL. wrote:
Even if we did open up more areas in the US to oil exploration and drilling how much additional oil could the US produce and would that actually have an appreciable affect on market price of oil? The US currently produces about 9% of the worlds oil, even if we doubled production to ~15 million barrels per day the effect on price would be relatively minor. This isn't even taking into account the fact that oil price is determined by a lot more than just supply/demand. Arguing that Obama's energy policy has somehow caused the current increase in gas prices is outright retarded, the more logical argument would be that Obama is somehow killing jobs by holding back these industries.



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The guy said that Taiwan and Austria are pretty developed countries, on par with the US. I've been to Taiwan and it is pretty developed and I know Austria is as well. Why you ragin?

On March 06 2012 05:40 Smat wrote:
I agree with Djzapz, long term actions to lower gas prices are stupid. I mean who wants lower gas prices right?

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On March 06 2012 05:41 ZeaL. wrote:
Even if we did open up more areas in the US to oil exploration and drilling how much additional oil could the US produce and would that actually have an appreciable affect on market price of oil? The US currently produces about 9% of the worlds oil, even if we doubled production to ~15 million barrels per day the effect on price would be relatively minor. This isn't even taking into account the fact that oil price is determined by a lot more than just supply/demand. Arguing that Obama's energy policy has somehow caused the current increase in gas prices is outright retarded, the more logical argument would be that Obama is somehow killing jobs by holding back these industries.



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The guy said that Taiwan and Austria are pretty developed countries, on par with the US. I've been to Taiwan and it is pretty developed and I know Austria is as well. Why you ragin?

On March 06 2012 05:51 Smat wrote:
Well I have made the determination that increasing domestic oil production will help the U.S. either through the "insignificant" affect it will have on market prices somewhere down the line or through its affect on the economy and jobs. It couldn't possibly hurt oil prices so I don't see how its uneducated to assume it might help.

On March 06 2012 05:57 Doublemint wrote:


You are right, I raged myself into selfownage. I am living in the past - as I specifically mentioned the 17th and 18th centuy when there was pride and glory in the heart of the people of my nation. 2012 - All hail to the Dragon!

Kidding aside, I really should step up my knowledge about asian countries outside of People´s Republic of China and Japan...

//edit: the arguably tempted me to rage - I was weak, charged as guilty.

On March 06 2012 05:59 ZeaL. wrote:


Well its effect on economy/jobs is not so simple because there are negative impacts from drilling. Ask an oysterman from New Orleans or the whole gulf tourist industry about having drill rigs pop up on the coast and I think you'll get a different opinion about the effect of oil drilling on the economy.





lol its okay. Just think of Taiwan like the Chinese version of S Korea, small, dense, and high tech with a scary relative nearby. Taiwan actually has GDP/capita higher than Japan and is similar to Germany. It's only beaten by HK and singapore in the Asian sphere. The more you know!

On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.

The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.

Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance.