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On March 06 2012 07:14 MethodSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.
The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.
Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance. You're saying that since our standard of big government is smaller than your current big government, the issues we have with our government being too big(for us) is complete bullshit because our government isn't as big as yours. Funny.
He's saying that arguing about hypothetical outcomes of larger government and scaremongering about the potential outcomes completely ignores the fact that an awful lot of the world is already trying it. If you want to talk about whether you want to look like those countries then by all means do so but playing hypotheticals is silly given it's already been done.
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So Newt is not going to drop out, which helps Romney, as he is going to win Georgia. Ron paul for some reason hasn't pushed in Virginia and is going to be totally knocked out in the State.
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On March 06 2012 07:14 MethodSC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.
The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.
Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance. You're saying that since our standard of big government is smaller than your current big government, the issues we have with our government being too big(for us) is complete bullshit because our government isn't as big as yours. Funny.
I don´t know how it´s possible, and try not to take this the wrong way, but I read your post, read mine again, then reread yours - and the lack of sophistication and understanding is baffling(though it says u are from the US).
//edit: kwark understood my point as intended.
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523 pages of TL'ers arguing about politics...
GRAB YOUR FUCKING POPCORN BOYS AND GIRLS!!!
It's going to be a wild-ride of incoherent dribble, petty attacks on grammar and fact-checking, and meaningless arguments about gas prices!
I've grabbed a few rolls of toliet paper and a bucket myself. I'm not going anywhere for a while.
User was warned for this post
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For all those that believe Obama is a shoe-in for another term you have very short memories. It wasn't long ago (before the nomination process started) that Obama looked dead in the water. With the entire republican establishment attacking him, they sweft the lower house clean. Yes things have changed since then but that doesn't mean they can't change again.
The longer this process goes on the more time Obama has to gather steam. It also limits the time the republicans can attack him. If they can choose a candidate soon and get back to what they do best the republicans have a real shot at the presidency. From my outside view the main sore points such as Obamacare haven't changed. Now if a crazy gets the nomination (ie santorum) then they have no chance.
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On March 06 2012 07:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Newt is not going to drop out, which helps Romney, as he is going to win Georgia. Ron paul for some reason hasn't pushed in Virginia and is going to be totally knocked out in the State.
Ya, this shit State always votes Red.
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On March 06 2012 07:23 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:14 MethodSC wrote:On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.
The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.
Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance. You're saying that since our standard of big government is smaller than your current big government, the issues we have with our government being too big(for us) is complete bullshit because our government isn't as big as yours. Funny. He's saying that arguing about hypothetical outcomes of larger government and scaremongering about the potential outcomes completely ignores the fact that an awful lot of the world is already trying it. If you want to talk about whether you want to look like those countries then by all means do so but playing hypotheticals is silly given it's already been done.
Conservatives do look at European countries and don't like what they see.
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On March 06 2012 07:23 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:14 MethodSC wrote:On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.
The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.
Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance. You're saying that since our standard of big government is smaller than your current big government, the issues we have with our government being too big(for us) is complete bullshit because our government isn't as big as yours. Funny. He's saying that arguing about hypothetical outcomes of larger government and scaremongering about the potential outcomes completely ignores the fact that an awful lot of the world is already trying it. If you want to talk about whether you want to look like those countries then by all means do so but playing hypotheticals is silly given it's already been done.
^ This. The fear mongering over big government, and the sensationalized hypothetical situations that will happen as a result of having bigger government in the US, is totally pointless. Most (basically all) of the nations you trade with, already have "big government". We all seem to be functioning just fine. I dont really get why people are all doom and gloom over government having control over issues that relate to public health and well being.
I for one find it WAY easier to trust government with education, health care, etc... because these things are essential service, that everyone needs. Being that they are necessities, everyone, regardless of the state, price, availability of these services, will be forced to use them. Corporations, whos goal it is to make money, know this. As seen with pharm. companies, oil companies, etc... that offer essential goods or services, they do what they can to offer the very minimum, at the most profitable price. The government on the other hand, can try to operate these systems through taxes, and can do so not for profit, but for the betterment of society. This in the long run benefits the country, because it has an educated and healthy population.
This small government, free market, trust corporations business got you in trouble in the first place. Your recession is the result of greedy business. The amount of trust you have in corporations, and the lack of trust you have in government are quite confusing to a spectator from the outside.
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On March 06 2012 07:34 Focuspants wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:23 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2012 07:14 MethodSC wrote:On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.
The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.
Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance. You're saying that since our standard of big government is smaller than your current big government, the issues we have with our government being too big(for us) is complete bullshit because our government isn't as big as yours. Funny. He's saying that arguing about hypothetical outcomes of larger government and scaremongering about the potential outcomes completely ignores the fact that an awful lot of the world is already trying it. If you want to talk about whether you want to look like those countries then by all means do so but playing hypotheticals is silly given it's already been done. ^ This. The fear mongering over big government, and the sensationalized hypothetical situations that will happen as a result of having bigger government in the US, is totally pointless. Most (basically all) of the nations you trade with, already have "big government". We all seem to be functioning just fine. I dont really get why people are all doom and gloom over government having control over issues that relate to public health and well being. I for one find it WAY easier to trust government with education, health care, etc... because these things are essential service, that everyone needs. Being that they are necessities, everyone, regardless of the state, price, availability of these services, will be forced to use them. Corporations, whos goal it is to make money, know this. As seen with pharm. companies, oil companies, etc... that offer essential goods or services, they do what they can to offer the very minimum, at the most profitable price. The government on the other hand, can try to operate these systems through taxes, and can do so not for profit, but for the betterment of society. This in the long run benefits the country, because it has an educated and healthy population. This small government, free market, trust corporations business got you in trouble in the first place. Your recession is the result of greedy business. The amount of trust you have in corporations, and the lack of trust you have in government are quite confusing to a spectator from the outside.
It's quite confusing from the inside also.
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On March 06 2012 07:34 Focuspants wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:23 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2012 07:14 MethodSC wrote:On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.
The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.
Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance. You're saying that since our standard of big government is smaller than your current big government, the issues we have with our government being too big(for us) is complete bullshit because our government isn't as big as yours. Funny. He's saying that arguing about hypothetical outcomes of larger government and scaremongering about the potential outcomes completely ignores the fact that an awful lot of the world is already trying it. If you want to talk about whether you want to look like those countries then by all means do so but playing hypotheticals is silly given it's already been done. This small government, free market, trust corporations business got you in trouble in the first place. Your recession is the result of greedy business. The amount of trust you have in corporations, and the lack of trust you have in government are quite confusing to a spectator from the outside.
I do not agree with that, because it is a oversimplification of what really happened. But too much trust in the "free" market was a huge factor, that, for example, let the SEC have no teeth to get maddoff - who himself was part of the "governmental oversight", let deep water horizon guys get into bed with the epa(as far as I remember, should recheck) just to name a few. Having governmental oversight and stripping them of the tools of doing their job, and afterwards blaming them for failing - does not make a whole lot of sense to me.
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United States43752 Posts
On March 06 2012 07:34 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:23 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2012 07:14 MethodSC wrote:On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.
The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.
Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance. You're saying that since our standard of big government is smaller than your current big government, the issues we have with our government being too big(for us) is complete bullshit because our government isn't as big as yours. Funny. He's saying that arguing about hypothetical outcomes of larger government and scaremongering about the potential outcomes completely ignores the fact that an awful lot of the world is already trying it. If you want to talk about whether you want to look like those countries then by all means do so but playing hypotheticals is silly given it's already been done. Conservatives do look at European countries and don't like what they see.
An awful lot of the arguments against things like nationalised health that I hear presented grossly misrepresent or misunderstand the way it works elsewhere. Stuff like that pisses me off. If you see it and decide you don't like it that's one thing, if you either say that it'll logically lead to a random absurd example which doesn't happen anywhere it's been implemented or just make up somewhere that it has (euthanasia in Holland) it's quite another.
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What the forking hell? Was her prior family billionaires or something? Honestly like, wow
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On March 06 2012 07:43 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:34 xDaunt wrote:On March 06 2012 07:23 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2012 07:14 MethodSC wrote:On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.
The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.
Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance. You're saying that since our standard of big government is smaller than your current big government, the issues we have with our government being too big(for us) is complete bullshit because our government isn't as big as yours. Funny. He's saying that arguing about hypothetical outcomes of larger government and scaremongering about the potential outcomes completely ignores the fact that an awful lot of the world is already trying it. If you want to talk about whether you want to look like those countries then by all means do so but playing hypotheticals is silly given it's already been done. Conservatives do look at European countries and don't like what they see. An awful lot of the arguments against things like nationalised health that I hear presented grossly misrepresent or misunderstand the way it works elsewhere. Stuff like that pisses me off. If you see it and decide you don't like it that's one thing, if you either say that it'll logically lead to a random absurd example which doesn't happen anywhere it's been implemented or just make up somewhere that it has (euthanasia in Holland) it's quite another.
This is my problem with it as well. They make an argument based on something that they *know* is inaccurate. If there is something actually wrong with it, why don't they bring up something that's accurate? The fact that they make something up, present that idea as fact to millions of Americans, then use that to support their stance of "say no to socialism", its bullshit. Its deceptive and destructive.
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On March 06 2012 07:45 1Eris1 wrote:What the forking hell? Was her prior family billionaires or something? Honestly like, wow
Jon Stewart has the easiest job in the world this year. :-/ What a dick.
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On March 06 2012 07:34 Focuspants wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:23 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2012 07:14 MethodSC wrote:On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.
The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.
Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance. You're saying that since our standard of big government is smaller than your current big government, the issues we have with our government being too big(for us) is complete bullshit because our government isn't as big as yours. Funny. He's saying that arguing about hypothetical outcomes of larger government and scaremongering about the potential outcomes completely ignores the fact that an awful lot of the world is already trying it. If you want to talk about whether you want to look like those countries then by all means do so but playing hypotheticals is silly given it's already been done. ^ This. The fear mongering over big government, and the sensationalized hypothetical situations that will happen as a result of having bigger government in the US, is totally pointless. Most (basically all) of the nations you trade with, already have "big government". We all seem to be functioning just fine. I dont really get why people are all doom and gloom over government having control over issues that relate to public health and well being. I for one find it WAY easier to trust government with education, health care, etc... because these things are essential service, that everyone needs. Being that they are necessities, everyone, regardless of the state, price, availability of these services, will be forced to use them. Corporations, whos goal it is to make money, know this. As seen with pharm. companies, oil companies, etc... that offer essential goods or services, they do what they can to offer the very minimum, at the most profitable price. The government on the other hand, can try to operate these systems through taxes, and can do so not for profit, but for the betterment of society. This in the long run benefits the country, because it has an educated and healthy population. This small government, free market, trust corporations business got you in trouble in the first place. Your recession is the result of greedy business. The amount of trust you have in corporations, and the lack of trust you have in government are quite confusing to a spectator from the outside.
Who said I was referring to hypothetical outcomes of larger government in the first place? I was simply stating that him being angry at americans wanting smaller government, simply because we know nothing about having big government in his eyes, is ridiculous. Do different people have different standards? This was not to start an argument, it was just an observation that needed to be addressed.
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She should try to be poor and rich in spirit instead.
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On March 06 2012 07:46 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 07:43 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2012 07:34 xDaunt wrote:On March 06 2012 07:23 KwarK wrote:On March 06 2012 07:14 MethodSC wrote:On March 06 2012 07:08 Doublemint wrote:
It´s fine - the issue has been settled.
The reason gas is more expensive in other countries than in America, is due to the fact, that we(I mostly speak for Austria here) tax it heavily(the price comprises of around 66% of taxes iirc - which is pretty insane) and use the money for building roads/maintaining, though, as is the nature of intransparent government bureaucracies, it´s far from certain that all the money goes there. I´d even argue they use it to pay for something entirely different, though there have been recent initiatives to spend it for making (public) buildings, like schools etc. more energy efficient.
Which leads me to another point which bugs me so much - you (Americans) have no clue what big government is - we have it here, and "the trains run on time" as Homer Simpsons would say, but were it not for the immense hard working and tax paying people here our government bureaucracy would collapse within a few years. Apart from the military and your homeland security stuff which is overbloated and a gateway to undermining the freedom you cherish so much, you don´t know big government - let alone high taxes. You need to put that more into perspective what happens around the globe and not listen so much to the bullshit talking points of the people who use up a lot of hot air, but lack substance. You're saying that since our standard of big government is smaller than your current big government, the issues we have with our government being too big(for us) is complete bullshit because our government isn't as big as yours. Funny. He's saying that arguing about hypothetical outcomes of larger government and scaremongering about the potential outcomes completely ignores the fact that an awful lot of the world is already trying it. If you want to talk about whether you want to look like those countries then by all means do so but playing hypotheticals is silly given it's already been done. Conservatives do look at European countries and don't like what they see. An awful lot of the arguments against things like nationalised health that I hear presented grossly misrepresent or misunderstand the way it works elsewhere. Stuff like that pisses me off. If you see it and decide you don't like it that's one thing, if you either say that it'll logically lead to a random absurd example which doesn't happen anywhere it's been implemented or just make up somewhere that it has (euthanasia in Holland) it's quite another. This is my problem with it as well. They make an argument based on something that they *know* is inaccurate. If there is something actually wrong with it, why don't they bring up something that's accurate? The fact that they make something up, present that idea as fact to millions of Americans, then use that to support their stance of "say no to socialism", its bullshit. Its deceptive and destructive.
Because it works, clinging to stereotypes and using the negative connotations of Welfare = Wealth Redistribution = Europe = Socialism = Communism = not American = Obama. Uninformed people are easily convinced/ruled people.
You can make good points against too much government, and for a smarter and better one, absolutely. But not in this hyperbolic and fully taken out of context way. (For simplification I only name those 2)When people like Glenn Beck, and Rush Limbaugh are leading the debate on where the Republican party is headed, not just rhetorically, but ideologically as well(which was the case after the election of Obama and the heavy loss of the Reps), there will be trouble. They are both entertainers and live off their sharp rhetoric and painting everything one side does as black - that´s fine, but they filled the vacuum after the lack of leadership from the Republican party and paved the way for today´s crazy galore of candidates we had and still have to witness.
@Who said I was referring to hypothetical outcomes of larger government in the first place? I was simply stating that him being angry at americans wanting smaller government, simply because we know nothing about having big government in his eyes, is ridiculous. Do different people have different standards? This was not to start an argument, it was just an observation that needed to be addressed.
That was not what I said. I said it makes me angry that you refer to your government as big, when you don´t have a context of what big or small is - apart from of course the soviet union, which you defeated deceisively I might add...
You need to put it into context, not just what some american think tank says. Western Europeans got bigger governments. Fact. They are not Socialist. Fact.
America is not the last hope of the free world, and if it falls Socialism wins. Fact.
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i found the whole fact romneys money is even an issue hilarious. when 'liberals' make comments about the actions of the rich they are 'hurting the economy' or 'witch hunting job creators', when these same politicians have to go up against one of these job creators they cant wait to have a go at him about his money. not sure if i should laugh or be upset ;D
about the socialism/smart smaller government kinda point from the post above. i find this 'small efficient government' as big an urban myth as communism. they both work on paper, its the people that keep ruining things. all i see in the rhetoric of small government and cutting taxes is allowing money to shout louder and the rich pushing down the poor.
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On March 06 2012 08:06 turdburgler wrote:
i found the whole fact romneys money is even an issue hilarious. when 'liberals' make comments about the actions of the rich they are 'hurting the economy' or 'witch hunting job creators', when these same politicians have to go up against one of these job creators they cant wait to have a go at him about his money. not sure if i should laugh or be upset ;D
about the socialism/smart smaller government kinda point from the post above. i find this 'small efficient government' as big an urban myth as communism. they both work on paper, its the people that keep ruining things. all i see in the rhetoric of small government and cutting taxes is allowing money to shout louder and the rich pushing down the poor.
Honestly, I haven't heard people are attacking him for being rich. They're laughing at him trying to relate to "regular folk" and failing miserably every time.
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