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On March 05 2012 18:40 Doublemint wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:19 Defacer wrote:Alright, There's only two viable Republican candidates left. And I have to ask: Poll: Who would you vote for as the president?Obama (16) 73% Santorum (4) 18% Romney (1) 5% Fuck this shit, I'm not voting. (1) 5% 22 total votes Your vote: Who would you vote for as the president? (Vote): Romney
(Vote): Santorum
(Vote): Obama
(Vote): Fuck this shit, I'm not voting.
I know there´s a huge urge to foresee who is most probably to win the election... But isn´t it too early? The campaigns of the ACTUAL candidates haven´t even started yet. ANYTHING can still happen. Yes, to date Republicans are in a very bad position, and most probably, if tomorrow was election day - Obama would take it - but in politics there are other rules in place than "common sense" or actual facts...
Not trying to predict the future. Just curious to see if anyone on the board believes that either of the remaining Republican candidates could beat Obama, or even be a better president.
It's just as an outsider looking in, watching the Republican Nomination process has been wild. The way candidates are nominated in the States is just nuts, and from what I can tell, utterly ineffective for the Republican Party, and voters that just want a respectable option at the polls.
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On March 05 2012 20:20 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:40 Doublemint wrote:On March 05 2012 18:19 Defacer wrote:Alright, There's only two viable Republican candidates left. And I have to ask: Poll: Who would you vote for as the president?Obama (16) 73% Santorum (4) 18% Romney (1) 5% Fuck this shit, I'm not voting. (1) 5% 22 total votes Your vote: Who would you vote for as the president? (Vote): Romney
(Vote): Santorum
(Vote): Obama
(Vote): Fuck this shit, I'm not voting.
I know there´s a huge urge to foresee who is most probably to win the election... But isn´t it too early? The campaigns of the ACTUAL candidates haven´t even started yet. ANYTHING can still happen. Yes, to date Republicans are in a very bad position, and most probably, if tomorrow was election day - Obama would take it - but in politics there are other rules in place than "common sense" or actual facts... Not trying to predict the future. Just curious to see if anyone on the board believes that either of the remaining Republican candidates could beat Obama, or even be a better president. It's just as an outsider looking in, watching the Republican Nomination process has been wild. The way candidates are nominated in the States is just nuts, and from what I can tell, utterly ineffective for the Republican Party, and voters that just want a respectable option at the polls.
Ok, I can live with that. But reading through this thread someone can only draw one conclusion - and it will show in the poll(apart from casual internet trolling).
@ Chaosvuistje asking, what´s the harm? I say nothing. I easily can throw back the question - what is there to gain? The answer will be once again, nothing. But I guess I just crave for a new topic that will come around the corner in shiny golden armor, because due to the high amount of pages and people discussing here, this thread is highly repetitive, that´s just the nature of things. So - let Obama win the presidency on the TL Board  .
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On March 05 2012 20:20 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:40 Doublemint wrote:On March 05 2012 18:19 Defacer wrote:Alright, There's only two viable Republican candidates left. And I have to ask: Poll: Who would you vote for as the president?Obama (16) 73% Santorum (4) 18% Romney (1) 5% Fuck this shit, I'm not voting. (1) 5% 22 total votes Your vote: Who would you vote for as the president? (Vote): Romney
(Vote): Santorum
(Vote): Obama
(Vote): Fuck this shit, I'm not voting.
I know there´s a huge urge to foresee who is most probably to win the election... But isn´t it too early? The campaigns of the ACTUAL candidates haven´t even started yet. ANYTHING can still happen. Yes, to date Republicans are in a very bad position, and most probably, if tomorrow was election day - Obama would take it - but in politics there are other rules in place than "common sense" or actual facts... Not trying to predict the future. Just curious to see if anyone on the board believes that either of the remaining Republican candidates could beat Obama, or even be a better president. It's just as an outsider looking in, watching the Republican Nomination process has been wild. The way candidates are nominated in the States is just nuts, and from what I can tell, utterly ineffective for the Republican Party, and voters that just want a respectable option at the polls.
If the economy continues to grow as it does now, then the race is run and Obama wins his second term with ease.
That is also why the Republican field is so bad. Nobody wants to run against a 1st term President. They tend to stay in office unless they are doing really bad on the economy.
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On March 05 2012 20:20 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:40 Doublemint wrote:On March 05 2012 18:19 Defacer wrote:Alright, There's only two viable Republican candidates left. And I have to ask: Poll: Who would you vote for as the president?Obama (16) 73% Santorum (4) 18% Romney (1) 5% Fuck this shit, I'm not voting. (1) 5% 22 total votes Your vote: Who would you vote for as the president? (Vote): Romney
(Vote): Santorum
(Vote): Obama
(Vote): Fuck this shit, I'm not voting.
I know there´s a huge urge to foresee who is most probably to win the election... But isn´t it too early? The campaigns of the ACTUAL candidates haven´t even started yet. ANYTHING can still happen. Yes, to date Republicans are in a very bad position, and most probably, if tomorrow was election day - Obama would take it - but in politics there are other rules in place than "common sense" or actual facts... Not trying to predict the future. Just curious to see if anyone on the board believes that either of the remaining Republican candidates could beat Obama, or even be a better president.
I think xDaunt might be the only one who is confident that Obama is going to be thrown out and there's a number who think any of the R candidates would be a better president than Obama. But, I don't speak for them so I should probably let them speak for themselves..
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On March 05 2012 23:48 ZeaL. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 20:20 Defacer wrote:On March 05 2012 18:40 Doublemint wrote:On March 05 2012 18:19 Defacer wrote:Alright, There's only two viable Republican candidates left. And I have to ask: Poll: Who would you vote for as the president?Obama (16) 73% Santorum (4) 18% Romney (1) 5% Fuck this shit, I'm not voting. (1) 5% 22 total votes Your vote: Who would you vote for as the president? (Vote): Romney
(Vote): Santorum
(Vote): Obama
(Vote): Fuck this shit, I'm not voting.
I know there´s a huge urge to foresee who is most probably to win the election... But isn´t it too early? The campaigns of the ACTUAL candidates haven´t even started yet. ANYTHING can still happen. Yes, to date Republicans are in a very bad position, and most probably, if tomorrow was election day - Obama would take it - but in politics there are other rules in place than "common sense" or actual facts... Not trying to predict the future. Just curious to see if anyone on the board believes that either of the remaining Republican candidates could beat Obama, or even be a better president. I think xDaunt might be the only one who is confident that Obama is going to be thrown out and there's a number who think any of the R candidates would be a better president than Obama. But, I don't speak for them so I should probably let them speak for themselves..
I have said repeatedly that Obama is toast unless the economy rebounds. I'm sticking by that prediction.
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On March 05 2012 23:56 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 23:48 ZeaL. wrote:On March 05 2012 20:20 Defacer wrote:On March 05 2012 18:40 Doublemint wrote:On March 05 2012 18:19 Defacer wrote:Alright, There's only two viable Republican candidates left. And I have to ask: Poll: Who would you vote for as the president?Obama (16) 73% Santorum (4) 18% Romney (1) 5% Fuck this shit, I'm not voting. (1) 5% 22 total votes Your vote: Who would you vote for as the president? (Vote): Romney
(Vote): Santorum
(Vote): Obama
(Vote): Fuck this shit, I'm not voting.
I know there´s a huge urge to foresee who is most probably to win the election... But isn´t it too early? The campaigns of the ACTUAL candidates haven´t even started yet. ANYTHING can still happen. Yes, to date Republicans are in a very bad position, and most probably, if tomorrow was election day - Obama would take it - but in politics there are other rules in place than "common sense" or actual facts... Not trying to predict the future. Just curious to see if anyone on the board believes that either of the remaining Republican candidates could beat Obama, or even be a better president. I think xDaunt might be the only one who is confident that Obama is going to be thrown out and there's a number who think any of the R candidates would be a better president than Obama. But, I don't speak for them so I should probably let them speak for themselves.. I have said repeatedly that Obama is toast unless the economy rebounds. I'm sticking by that prediction.
I think you are delusional with this prediction. I think the real key to predicting this race is in Romney's growing "unfavorable" ratings. It's clear that the more people see and learn about Romney, the less they actually like him. Here's some sources:
Not since the 1996 presidential candidacy of Republican Bob Dole has a party's likely nominee been viewed negatively by a plurality of Americans at this point in an election. Yet Mr. Romney's challenge in building a favorable image is steeper than Mr. Dole's was then.
The poll found that nearly 40% of Americans view Mr. Romney negatively, compared with 28% who view him positively, a gap of close to 12 percentage points.
Additionally, when asked to describe the GOP nominating battle in a word or phrase, nearly 70 percent of respondents – including six in 10 independents and even more than half of Republicans – answered with a negative comment.
Some examples of these negative comments from Republicans: "Unenthusiastic," "discouraged," "lesser of two evils," "painful," "disappointed," "poor choices," "concerned," "underwhelmed,” “uninspiring” and “depressed.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2012/03/wsjnbc-poll-romney-battered-for-the-general-116392.html
“Romney’s negatives with independents [have] jumped 13 points in the past month ... and 20 points since November.” In the fall, Romney’s approval rating was solid: 21 percent favorable to 22 percent unfavorable. By last week, however, his unfavorables had shot up 20 points to 42 percent. His favorables were still stuck in the low 20s.
In other words, at least 10 recent polls have shown that the gap between general-election voters who like Romney and general-election voters who dislike Romney is widening—often to more than 20 or 30 percentage points—all as the Republican nominating contest drags on.
Why are voters—especially Independent voters—suddenly souring on Romney? The surveys don’t say. But given the spike in political coverage that has accompanied the primaries, it seems likely that low-information indies—the sort of people who, until recently, didn’t have much of an opinion about Romney because they didn’t know much about him—have over the past few weeks absorbed at least some of the Mitt-related headlines plastered across their local papers and parroted on their local news: that he profited off of dying companies at Bain Capital; that he pays an effective tax rate of only 14 percent; that he’s buried his assets in the Cayman Islands; that he likes to fire people; that he’s willing to spend tens of millions of dollars tearing down his fellow Republicans; and so on.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/01/mitt-romney-s-unfavorable-ratings-have-been-rising-since-iowa.html
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Hey guys, I've just moved to a foreign country so I've been settling in and I haven't really had much time to check and see how things are going back in the states.
So, all your more philosophical debates are interesting, and I love seeing those things. But I've been skimming the last few pages and I'm just curious... could anyone just give me a brief synopsis on what's happened the last couple weeks? Just to fill me in on what I missed? I heard Romney took Michigan and another state?
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Gingrich has fallen off the map, Santorum made a surge after the Arizona debates discussing economic issues and his "blue collar" (aka an MBA and a JD) background compared to Romney's, which allowed him to sweep three states in January. Then he started talking about social issues again and scared people away, so Romney is in the lead. He won Michigan, Arizona and Wyoming, and has a lead in Washington and going into Super Tuesday.
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"Stuff like this makes you hard to take seriously"
Said by same person that also says...
"Evolution isn't science."
And
"Only my stereotypes are correct."
C'mon meow.
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On March 06 2012 01:07 Jibba wrote:
Gingrich has fallen off the map, Santorum made a surge after the Arizona debates discussing economic issues and his "blue collar" (aka an MBA and a JD) background compared to Romney's, which allowed him to sweep three states in January. Then he started talking about social issues again and scared people away, so Romney is in the lead. He won Michigan, Arizona and Wyoming, and has a lead in Washington and going into Super Tuesday.
Thanks Jibba!
Any idea how things are looking in Ohio? And is Ron Paul still just kind of hovering around where he's always been? Is he at least beating Gingrich now?
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On March 06 2012 01:28 DamnCats wrote:
"Stuff like this makes you hard to take seriously"
Said by same person that also says...
"Evolution isn't science."
And
"Only my stereotypes are correct."
C'mon meow.
I was going to chide you for not taking the time to accurately quote what I said, but then it dawned on me that, given your posts from yesterday, you probably don't even really understand what I was saying anyway, so the above-listed quotes are probably all that computed in your head.
Anyway, I'm tired of responding to you. It's boring, unproductive, and cluttering up this thread with garbage. When you're ready to kick up your game up a few notches, I'll start responding to your posts again.
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On March 06 2012 01:48 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 01:28 DamnCats wrote:
"Stuff like this makes you hard to take seriously"
Said by same person that also says...
"Evolution isn't science."
And
"Only my stereotypes are correct."
C'mon meow. I was going to chide you for not taking the time to accurately quote what I said, but then it dawned on me that, given your posts from yesterday, you probably don't even really understand what I was saying anyway, so the above-listed quotes are probably all that computed in your head. Anyway, I'm tired of responding to you. It's boring, unproductive, and cluttering up this thread with garbage. When you're ready to kick up your game up a few notches, I'll start responding to your posts again.
Honestly man your responses to all of these trivial things has been simplistic and childish. I don't really know why you're expecting mature responses back at you. It's a Starcraft Internet forum, leave your machismo somewhere else.
Anyway, I'd like to shift you back to topics that I actually like discussing with you. You really think Romney can beat Obama? I mean the economy is already rebounding. If it continues Romney will even have less to run on.
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I was going to take the time to quote you correctly but then it dawned on me that it wouldn't actually change your response at all. Guess everyone else reading this thread can come to their own conclusions of what you meant in the last 2 pages.
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On March 06 2012 01:58 DoubleReed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 01:48 xDaunt wrote:On March 06 2012 01:28 DamnCats wrote:
"Stuff like this makes you hard to take seriously"
Said by same person that also says...
"Evolution isn't science."
And
"Only my stereotypes are correct."
C'mon meow. I was going to chide you for not taking the time to accurately quote what I said, but then it dawned on me that, given your posts from yesterday, you probably don't even really understand what I was saying anyway, so the above-listed quotes are probably all that computed in your head. Anyway, I'm tired of responding to you. It's boring, unproductive, and cluttering up this thread with garbage. When you're ready to kick up your game up a few notches, I'll start responding to your posts again. Anyway, I'd like to shift you back to topics that I actually like discussing with you. You really think Romney can beat Obama? I mean the economy is already rebounding. If it continues Romney will even have less to run on.
I know you're not asking me, but I think it would be foolish to outright toss out the possibility that Romney could take Obama out of office, especially since the media do such an excellent job of depicting Obama negatively.
From the get go, many political analysts, some of my teacher and myself have been under the impression that Romney stood the best chance against Obama, as he's "moderate"(ish) and the other republican candidates have been seemingly crazy in some cases, and obviously too far on the right in most. Now I think it's safe to assume that Romney's "play style" will change pretty drastically after the primary, to appeal to the independents (and probably some unhappy democrats).
I wouldn't be surprised if the heavy criticism Obama had over his presidency didn't weigh heavily on him as he's been called a "socialist" and all kinds of ridiculous things. Also, he was handed the country at the beginning of the recession, and I'll avoid the political correctness here: a LOT of people on both sides are complete imbeciles. Whether or not Obama's administration handled the recession properly, many will look at graphs and say "the economy was bad during Obama's presidency", without giving thought to the causes.
I personally was a big Obama supporter in 2008, but now after the fucking disgusting NDAA, his failure to shut down Guantanamo and his overall softness bothers me a lot. That said, I would still vote for him (but I can't), I think Romney's odds are bad, but if he plays his cards right, he can have this. Oh and if he does, hopefully his social ideals don't become reality. =)
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On March 05 2012 20:20 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 18:40 Doublemint wrote:On March 05 2012 18:19 Defacer wrote:Alright, There's only two viable Republican candidates left. And I have to ask: Poll: Who would you vote for as the president?Obama (16) 73% Santorum (4) 18% Romney (1) 5% Fuck this shit, I'm not voting. (1) 5% 22 total votes Your vote: Who would you vote for as the president? (Vote): Romney
(Vote): Santorum
(Vote): Obama
(Vote): Fuck this shit, I'm not voting.
I know there´s a huge urge to foresee who is most probably to win the election... But isn´t it too early? The campaigns of the ACTUAL candidates haven´t even started yet. ANYTHING can still happen. Yes, to date Republicans are in a very bad position, and most probably, if tomorrow was election day - Obama would take it - but in politics there are other rules in place than "common sense" or actual facts... Not trying to predict the future. Just curious to see if anyone on the board believes that either of the remaining Republican candidates could beat Obama, or even be a better president. It's just as an outsider looking in, watching the Republican Nomination process has been wild. The way candidates are nominated in the States is just nuts, and from what I can tell, utterly ineffective for the Republican Party, and voters that just want a respectable option at the polls.
i believe that the republican candidate could still beat Obama. it will be an uphill battle for whoever it is, but it was always going to be an uphill battle. gas prices are still going up, the economy is only showing minimal signs of getting better, and we haven't even gotten to the campaign yet. republicans are still slamming each other. i don't think we can get an accurate picture of how people feel about it until the candidate is chosen and the campaign has begun. on the second part, almost anyone could be a better president, in my opinion, than Obama.
it is mostly democrats and liberals who say that the republican field is terrible and that we can't stand our choices. most people i have spoken to who are republican admit that the field of candidates right now is not as strong as it could be, but is strong enough. our nominating process isn't perfect, but nothing is perfect. it works for us.
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On March 06 2012 01:58 DoubleReed wrote:
Honestly man your responses to all of these trivial things has been simplistic and childish. I don't really know why you're expecting mature responses back at you. It's a Starcraft Internet forum, leave your machismo somewhere else.
Oh, believe me, I get it, and that's why I put my foot down. At any given time that I am posting, there are at least 3-4 people (sometimes significantly more) who are posting in response and disagreeing with me. Unfortunately, and putting it as charitably as I can, not all of these responsive posts are well-thought out, and I have to restrain myself from saying something in a reply that's going to get me banned, regardless of how correct I would be. And yes, I will be the first to admit that it's my sarcastic comments that often light the fuse that leads to the degeneration of the debate because the comments rub people the wrong way.
In short, it is easy to say "stay above the fray," but it is difficult in practice.
Anyway, I'd like to shift you back to topics that I actually like discussing with you. You really think Romney can beat Obama? I mean the economy is already rebounding. If it continues Romney will even have less to run on.
Yes. The economy is improving marginally, but think about it this way. Is the economy really at a point where Obama can point to it as a positive achievement? No, it's not even close to that point yet. Yes, the unemployment rate has been slowly dropping, but the employment rate is still incredibly high when factoring in all of the people who have left the workforce. Factor in high commodity prices (gas being the latest), and it is pretty clear that Obama cannot rest on his laurels.
Also, keep in mind that no one is really going after Obama yet. Just wait until this summer and fall when republican primary is over, and republicans start attacking in a unified way. We're still a long way from the election in November, and a lot is going to change between now and then.
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On March 06 2012 02:23 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 01:58 DoubleReed wrote:
Honestly man your responses to all of these trivial things has been simplistic and childish. I don't really know why you're expecting mature responses back at you. It's a Starcraft Internet forum, leave your machismo somewhere else. Show nested quote +
Anyway, I'd like to shift you back to topics that I actually like discussing with you. You really think Romney can beat Obama? I mean the economy is already rebounding. If it continues Romney will even have less to run on.
Yes. The economy is improving marginally, but think about it this way. Is the economy really at a point where Obama can point to it as a positive achievement? No, it's not even close to that point yet. Yes, the unemployment rate has been slowly dropping, but the employment rate is still incredibly high when factoring in all of the people who have left the workforce. Factor in high commodity prices (gas being the latest), and it is pretty clear that Obama cannot rest on his laurels. Also, keep in mind that no one is really going after Obama yet. Just wait until this summer and fall when republican primary is over, and republicans start attacking in a unified way. We're still a long way from the election in November, and a lot is going to change between now and then.
I feel the same way - if the elephantastic rove attack machine gets going anything can happen. Though Romney gave away so much for Obama to exploit during the nomination, it´s gonna ge a pretty tough one - and entertaining
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On March 06 2012 02:23 xDaunt wrote:
Factor in high commodity prices (gas being the latest), and it is pretty clear that Obama cannot rest on his laurels.
It's funny that gas prices comes into play, as if Obama had a significant amount of control over that. Blame "the man", he probably runs them cartels.
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