EPTOn July 23 2011 22:12 DeSam wrote:
why is he left alone on a camp with kids and a gun?
why is he left alone on a camp with kids and a gun?
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Grettin
42416 Posts
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CCow
Germany335 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:12 DeSam wrote: why is he left alone on a camp with kids and a gun? Read through the topic. Third question like this, really! | ||
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Mauldo
United States750 Posts
I'm just really hurt by people who are using this time to, instead of finding out how they can help or simply expressing their heartache and solidarity for the Norwegian people, they somehow think it's a great time to criticize their culture, prisons, etc.. Hell, the CNN article had 2,000 comments on it. But most of them were blaming Muslim or Christian extremists, or simply derailing it with talks of our own government's inane activities. I'm just, I'm really sorry guys. You have experienced a terrible happening in your country these past couple of days, and I'm truly sorry for that. Band together like you have been and you'll get through it. Most of the world is with you, even though you'll probably hear the vocal minority above the rest. Good luck, best wishes, and god speed. | ||
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dangerjoe
Denmark1866 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:11 Dr_Jones wrote: Interestingly, there is a current survey on facebook asking the question "Should Norway change it's laws so Anders Behring Breivik can be sentenced to death?" Results as of now: Yes: 2'006 votes No: 5'674 votes Unsure: 158 votes Great to see. Just goes to show that Anders B's horrible actions wont change how people in Norway thinks and acts. So sorry for you guys over there.. What a horrible man. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:11 Dr_Jones wrote: Interestingly, there is a current survey on facebook asking the question "Should Norway change it's laws so Anders Behring Breivik can be sentenced to death?" Results as of now: Yes: 2'006 votes No: 5'674 votes Unsure: 158 votes Surverys on facebook is the least sure/reliant thing you can find. dont ever know why you posted it here. | ||
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HerroPreaseTN
Norway71 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:14 Maple Bass wrote: Do you think the news stations were acting unethically when 9/11 scenes were being broadcasted within the hour of the event then? There's a difference in filming the buildings burning from very far away and filming dead bodies as close as they were shown on the video over there. At the very least, the bodies should be blurred out, in my opinion. As someone stated previously, pictures does present the events more vividly and makes us understand the gravity of the situation better. However, I'd still be mad as hell if my son or daughter's dead body was presented to the world without any form of consideration to him or her in his or her "weakest moment". I may stand alone on this, but I just find it incredibly disrespectful and I'd consider the value of their privacy a little extra before the actual value of the impact the pictures give. In my mind it doesn't add up and it's not worth it - if anything, pictures from far away only showing dots should be plenty. But again, people seem to demand more and think it's okay. Some people may even be fine with their dead bodies being shown to the entire world but I know I wouldn't and I'd never get myself to do that against anyone else. | ||
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sarge89
Norway147 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:18 aderum wrote: Surverys on facebook is the least sure/reliant thing you can find. dont ever know why you posted it here. Still gives you some measure of how people feel about the subject. Might not scientificly proof, but still. | ||
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LocusCoeruleus
Norway32 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:18 aderum wrote: Surverys on facebook is the least sure/reliant thing you can find. dont ever know why you posted it here. Dismissing the facebook survey completely would be foolish of you. Although not exactly statistics, it is indicative of how most norwegians feel. | ||
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TeWy
France714 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:17 dangerjoe wrote: Great to see. Just goes to show that Anders B's horrible actions wont change how people in Norway thinks and acts. So sorry for you guys over there.. What a horrible man. It has a lot to do with the demographics of FaceBook. Ask the relatives to those who got shot, or try a similar survey in a nursing home. Not to mention that there's no way to know if the people who voted here are really Norwish. | ||
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:09 TheSilverfox wrote: Here you have a crowd-sourced list of persons that are confirmed safe from the camp: https://www.facebook.com/groups/243954442294905?view=doc&id=244003952289954 People at hospitals are not included in the list. Thanks, but I'm too scared to see. I will wait. | ||
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:09 zeru wrote: Like i said before, its because we are a humanitarian society. Stop posting eye for an eye garbage. Thats not how we do it. But it is what this guy deserves, you can't deny that in a just world he should die for this. I hope he does, the piece of shit. I am so so sorry for the families of all the victims, as well as the people of Norway, It must be at least something like the US was when 9/11 happened, and if that's true I know how terrible it was for that much fear and anger to be running through you as a people. I'm so sorry.  | ||
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Jago
Finland390 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:17 dangerjoe wrote: Great to see. Just goes to show that Anders B's horrible actions wont change how people in Norway thinks and acts. So sorry for you guys over there.. What a horrible man. Silly votes (by multiple metrics). You can't retroactively apply a sentence that didn't exist at the moment the crime was committed. | ||
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Dr_Jones
Norway252 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:18 aderum wrote: Surverys on facebook is the least sure/reliant thing you can find. dont ever know why you posted it here. Oh, I'm sorry, I thought it might provide some insight into the general conscensus in the Norwegian public opinion. I understand it is not a reliable tool, but having worked in a company that carries out surveys through telephone interviews, I can assure you that having close to 10'000 people respond to such a thing is way more than is normally needed to post such a survey in a paper or in the news. Idiot. | ||
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Maple Bass
22 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:05 Dr_Jones wrote: I think you need to read up on our judicial system before you make any kind of claim of knowledge on these matters. Besides, if you even begin to try to grasp the criminal psychological profile of this guy, then you might begin to understand he suffers from a number of classic psycopathic tendencies, and if I'm able to tell, then I'm sure as hell a trained individual will too. I have no intention of reading up on your judicial system but from what I can see you're basically saying this: If you commit a horrible crime of mudering more than 80 people then you will default to getting forvaring. If you commit a horrible crime of murdering one person you will get out after 21 years. In which case to claim that forvaring is about rehabilitation is bullshit. Why not call forvaring a life sentence. That way: If you murder more than 80 people you will get a life sentence. If you murder one person you get 21 years. To call forvaring an assessment of risk after 21 years is bullshit if, by what you're saying, someone who has committed a serious crime will automatically get it, as you are presuming. What I'm saying is you're wrong about forvaring then. Because if correctly applied, then nobody knows whether or not this mass murderer will be eligible for release after 21 years or not. It all depends on whether or not he is rehabilitated after 21 years. I personally think Norway should remove the concept of forvaring and just introduce a life sentence, if the majority of society is already under the delusion that forvaring means a life sentence for serious crimes. | ||
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Nqsty
United Kingdom118 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:12 Maple Bass wrote: To clarify - I totally agree that this guy should get a life sentence - by life I mean literally life. However, I am also pointing out that if we are already presuming that he will get forvaring, then forvaring is basically a useless concept that should be recognised for what it really is - a life sentence. If forvaring means a reformed criminal who is no longer a threat to society, then it is possible that a murderer who killed one person will be eligible for release under forvaring just as a mass murderer who killed 10 people will be eligible for release under forvaring just as a mass murderer who killed 80 people will be eligible for release under forvaring. If forvaring just means someone who did something horrific cannot be eligible for release after 21 years of prison then Norwegian politicians should clarify their law and say in effect there is no 21 year limit and they may as well call forvaring a life sentence. So the point I am making is this - this guy deserves a life sentence. However, I daresay almost everyone who is presuming this guy will get forvaring has no understanding of the concept at all and are basically saying he will get it, even though we have no idea what kind of person he will be in 21 years' time. If he is reformed, then he will not get forvaring. My personal view is forvaring should be abolished and that Norway should just be straight-up and replace it with a life sentence law instead for serious crimes. No, I understand the system, I just don't understand why the hell you would even consider giving him the opportunity to "not be a threat to society anymore". This guy murdered 80 kids, thats it, there's nothing to add, and even I, who am a true believer in fair justice, think this guy simply shouldn't get a second chance. We're not talking about a drunk driver who killed a family and cries every single night before going to sleep, or a husband who killed the man banging his wife when he came home out of pure rage, or even a dude who killed a secretary in a moment of distress whilst robbing a bank because he was poor as fuck and didn't know what to do with his life. No, this guy killed 80 kids and abused their confidence by dressing up as a policeman to do so, its just some whole other level of violence, and judging him with the conventional system is simply wrong. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:21 Rasun wrote: No, the world is not going to be a better place if we kill this ma. If anything, it's going to be a worse place because we will have stepped down to his level; killing people.But it is what this guy deserves, you can't deny that in a just world he should die for this. I hope he does, the piece of shit. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:11 Dr_Jones wrote: Interestingly, there is a current survey on facebook asking the question "Should Norway change it's laws so Anders Behring Breivik can be sentenced to death?" Results as of now: Yes: 2'006 votes No: 5'674 votes Unsure: 158 votes SO much reason. That is a good thing. And surprising considering the amount of people asked. Usually people tend to get radical in these type of surveys. And I can't speak myself free of a part of me wanting someone to kill him, very slowly and painfully. But society has got to be better than that. Maybe living with the nightmares of what he did for the rest of his life without any other suffering is the hardest punishment anyway. | ||
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Maple Bass
22 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:09 zeru wrote: Like i said before, its because we are a humanitarian society. Stop posting eye for an eye garbage. Thats not how we do it. I don't think you should use the phrase 'we'. I'm sure there is dissent of opinion as to how Norway does it within Norwegian society. You don't speak on behalf of everyone's feelings. Some feel more strongly about it than others. Just because the PM of Norway says it won't affect how the country is run, doesn't mean there aren't people in Norway who want reform after this incident. | ||
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Dr_Jones
Norway252 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:21 Rasun wrote: But it is what this guy deserves, you can't deny that in a just world he should die for this. I hope he does, the piece of shit. Obviously, our definitions of justice differ. In order to understand our judicial system, you must understand the values on which our society and welfare state are based on. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On July 23 2011 22:12 Maple Bass wrote: To clarify - I totally agree that this guy should get a life sentence - by life I mean literally life. However, I am also pointing out that if we are already presuming that he will get forvaring, then forvaring is basically a useless concept that should be recognised for what it really is - a life sentence. If forvaring means a reformed criminal who is no longer a threat to society, then it is possible that a murderer who killed one person will be eligible for release under forvaring just as a mass murderer who killed 10 people will be eligible for release under forvaring just as a mass murderer who killed 80 people will be eligible for release under forvaring. If forvaring just means someone who did something horrific cannot be eligible for release after 21 years of prison then Norwegian politicians should clarify their law and say in effect there is no 21 year limit and they may as well call forvaring a life sentence. So the point I am making is this - this guy deserves a life sentence. However, I daresay almost everyone who is presuming this guy will get forvaring has no understanding of the concept at all and are basically saying he will get it, even though we have no idea what kind of person he will be in 21 years' time. If he is reformed, then he will not get forvaring. My personal view is forvaring should be abolished and that Norway should just be straight-up and replace it with a life sentence law instead for serious crimes. nonsense. This is not some kind of gang banger hell bent on violence. It's a normal, functional person who just snapped. He looked and acted fine before the murders, he might as well act normal after them as well. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Fouganthine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Issei_Sagawa Issei Sagawa (佐川 一政 Sagawa Issei?, born June 11, 1949) is a Japanese man who in 1981 murdered and cannibalized a Dutch woman named Renée Hartevelt. After his release, he became a minor celebrity in Japan and made a living through the public's interest in his crime. Fuck forvaring. | ||
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