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Simberto
Germany12069 Posts
On December 10 2016 19:13 Deleuze wrote: I think he'd end up going on a rampage with Genghis Khan, Bill the Kid, Abraham Lincoln and Sigmund Freud personally. I would watch that movie. | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On December 10 2016 17:24 Cascade wrote: i think you're mixing what would be cool to experience with what would make you snap and go back into your cave.I think the reaction depends on personality more than anything here. Yes, he did some research in his time, but that is entirely out of date and won't help him in processing what he sees. After a short acclimatization period, I think the main difference for him would be how everyone back then looked up to him, and he was an authority on everything he said, but here it'd be the other way around. From that perspective, he'd probably end up teaching how things were back then to historians, as that is the only valuable information he has, and he can remain in a role of intellectual authority. I mean, he'd have a period of processing everything new, trying to catch up and so on. But after a year or two maybe, I think he'd be back in his role of professor with students around him, teaching history to history researchers. Reference: futurama. Delivery boy in 2000 = delivery boy in 3000. Oh, and on a tangent. The only thing in today's technology that keeps amazing me is seeing the giant fucking piece of metal that an airbus is just casually lift off the runway at the airports. I'm perfectly fine with near-instant worldwide communication and collected human knowledge being available in my pocket. No problems. But those commercial airliners lifting off the ground... I can't get my brain to accept it as normal. So if it were me to guide him, one of the first things I'd do is to have him take a flight, and give him plenty of time to sit at the gates and look at the flights take of and land.  the bolded part looks to be right within a certain context(a grown up dude, devoid of dreams(capitalism killed them obv.)) but you can't fool children with your need for more and more vanity driven experiences before your time expires. he will be like a new born, able to process and accept material/tangible things at immense speeds; what he will be unable to process is the human stupidity(he will be pretty racist and xenophobic too). | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
Personally as a hunter, I'd theoretically be in favor of whaling in a well regulated sustainable manner. ie permits only issued for surplus males that are not biologically required for reproduction of the population. The way most hunting is managed. There are relatively few whale populations currently that aren't in trouble already though. (I also live a life where I see whales all the time and they don't hold much mysticism to me.) | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On December 11 2016 08:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: Is it hypocritical to be against whaling but enjoy hunting as an activity? Feels a bit too human-centred for me, but not that weird. | ||
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Epishade
United States2267 Posts
On December 11 2016 08:16 Atreides wrote: Not really, its quite logical to be only in favor of harvesting of animals that can be done in a sustainable fashion. Which historically has been quite difficult for whaling. Now if you just think that killing whales is "wrong" but killing deer is fine, that seems a bit strange to me. Personally as a hunter, I'd theoretically be in favor of drinking unicorn blood in a well regulated sustainable manner. ie permits only issued for surplus males that are not biologically required for reproduction of the population. The way most hunting is managed. There are relatively few whale populations currently that aren't in trouble already though. (I also live a life where I see whales all the time and they don't hold much mysticism to me.) Aye, what life that be? | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24473 Posts
Merman, Duhh | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On December 10 2016 17:24 Cascade wrote: I think the reaction depends on personality more than anything here. Yes, he did some research in his time, but that is entirely out of date and won't help him in processing what he sees. After a short acclimatization period, I think the main difference for him would be how everyone back then looked up to him, and he was an authority on everything he said, but here it'd be the other way around. From that perspective, he'd probably end up teaching how things were back then to historians, as that is the only valuable information he has, and he can remain in a role of intellectual authority. I mean, he'd have a period of processing everything new, trying to catch up and so on. But after a year or two maybe, I think he'd be back in his role of professor with students around him, teaching history to history researchers. Reference: futurama. Delivery boy in 2000 = delivery boy in 3000. Oh, and on a tangent. The only thing in today's technology that keeps amazing me is seeing the giant fucking piece of metal that an airbus is just casually lift off the runway at the airports. I'm perfectly fine with near-instant worldwide communication and collected human knowledge being available in my pocket. No problems. But those commercial airliners lifting off the ground... I can't get my brain to accept it as normal. So if it were me to guide him, one of the first things I'd do is to have him take a flight, and give him plenty of time to sit at the gates and look at the flights take of and land. I think you underestimate the culture shock. People that have come out of jail after 20 or 30 years sometimes fail to ever acclimatize and resume a normal life (though there are other factors in play). 2000 years of culture shock would be much much worse. On December 11 2016 08:16 Atreides wrote: Not really, its quite logical to be only in favor of harvesting of animals that can be done in a sustainable fashion. Which historically has been quite difficult for whaling. Now if you just think that killing whales is "wrong" but killing deer is fine, that seems a bit strange to me. Personally as a hunter, I'd theoretically be in favor of whaling in a well regulated sustainable manner. ie permits only issued for surplus males that are not biologically required for reproduction of the population. The way most hunting is managed. There are relatively few whale populations currently that aren't in trouble already though. (I also live a life where I see whales all the time and they don't hold much mysticism to me.) Why would that be strange? People do not place the same value on the lives of humans and animals. Why shouldn't they value the lives of different animals differently? Whales are much smarter than deer. And cooler. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 11 2016 08:07 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: Is it hypocritical to be against whaling but enjoy hunting as an activity? I think there's a healthy skepticism to be had about killing any extremely intelligent animals; whales, elephants, great apes, dolphins. | ||
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Atreides
United States2393 Posts
I mean I live in alaska and commercial fish for a living, so yes I see a lot of whales every year. Especially in may and june. I also hunt a lot. I personally think that if some whale populations get to a certain size, a controlled harvest would be fine, BUT I don't ever see it supporting a commercial industry without threatening the populations so I don't know what sort of harvest there would even be any demand for. (ie. Its not like lots of other rare alaskan animals with small but stable populations that support carefully controlled hunting, although it could be marketed as a hell of an experience." Many Native communities up here are still allowed to traditionally hunt whales for subsistence. (to be clear, they don't use traditional methods, they've modernized it quite a bit. I mean obviously lots of people are against any sort of hunting, the question was presenting with the assumption one wasn't morally opposed to it in the first place. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
well definately Babe | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On December 11 2016 10:13 ZigguratOfUr wrote: I think you underestimate the culture shock. People that have come out of jail after 20 or 30 years sometimes fail to ever acclimatize and resume a normal life (though there are other factors in play). 2000 years of culture shock would be much much worse. Wouldn't surprise me if it's more of a cultural difference between living in prison and living in freedom that it is between living as an academic now and 2k year ago. It'll be pretty hard for us to find solid evidence either way I think... :/ Well, except futurama of course. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
On December 11 2016 13:48 Cascade wrote: Wouldn't surprise me if it's more of a cultural difference between living in prison and living in freedom that it is between living as an academic now and 2k year ago. It'll be pretty hard for us to find solid evidence either way I think... :/ Well, except futurama of course. well there was Sherlock holmes in the 22nd century but that just taught as that even hundreds of years in the future Sherlock is still smarter than everybody else. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
Belligerents: 1: The average 25 year old adult male, armed with a sword of his choosing and a shield also of his choosing. Added: Wearing shoes, jeans and a t-shirt. 2: An indeterminate number of enraged 8 year olds armed with forks. The environment: A 5 meters wide hall, all the 8 year olds are coming from the same direction at the same time, in whatever formation enraged 8 year olds without coherent leadership prefer. Question: What is the number of enraged 8 year olds with forks that the 25 year old can slay AND survive, given immediate medical attention at the end of the fight? | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18487 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On December 12 2016 09:05 Djzapz wrote: Setting: Belligerents: 1: The average 25 year old adult male, armed with a sword of his choosing and a shield 2: An indeterminate number of enraged 8 year olds armed with forks The environment: A 5 meters wide hall, all the 8 year olds are coming from the same direction at the same time, in whatever formation enraged 8 year olds without coherent leadership prefer. Question: What is the number of enraged 8 year olds with forks that the 25 year old can slay AND survive, given immediate medical attention at the end of the fight? Are we talking medieval tower shields that are basically mini walls or those smaller round ones like Hoplites used? The shield type greatly affects the kill count IMO. A tower shield could allow the male to sit in a corner nearly completely covered by the shield poking away at the 8 year olds for a very very long time and rack up an impressive kill count well into the 100s and possibly even indefinitely. Small shields would lower the kill count. Mobility means nothing because after like 20 8 year olds the hall is totally covered on their side so as they charge (because a uncoordinated group would do exactly that) your space to operate shrinks greatly. Much like Marines vs Zerglings, Once the lings/kids surround the Marine/Man, it's GG. Regardless of Shield type though, I believe the sword of choice for this is something very lightweight. IE a Katana. | ||
The_Templar
your Country52798 Posts
On December 12 2016 09:05 Djzapz wrote: Setting: Belligerents: 1: The average 25 year old adult male, armed with a sword of his choosing and a shield 2: An indeterminate number of enraged 8 year olds armed with forks The environment: A 5 meters wide hall, all the 8 year olds are coming from the same direction at the same time, in whatever formation enraged 8 year olds without coherent leadership prefer. Question: What is the number of enraged 8 year olds with forks that the 25 year old can slay AND survive, given immediate medical attention at the end of the fight? I'll go with 6-7. They would reach a critical mass pretty quickly given these conditions. Even with a shield, since they can just surround. | ||
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On December 12 2016 09:26 Orcasgt24 wrote: Are we talking medieval tower shields that are basically mini walls or those smaller round ones like Hoplites used? The shield type greatly affects the kill count IMO. A tower shield could allow the male to sit in a corner nearly completely covered by the shield poking away at the 8 year olds for a very very long time and rack up an impressive kill count well into the 100s and possibly even indefinitely. Small shields would lower the kill count. Mobility means nothing because after like 20 8 year olds the hall is totally covered on their side so as they charge (because a uncoordinated group would do exactly that) your space to operate shrinks greatly. Much like Marines vs Zerglings, Once the lings/kids surround the Marine/Man, it's GG. Regardless of Shield type though, I believe the sword of choice for this is something very lightweight. IE a Katana. Any shield is fine by the settings. That being said, there's no corner, it's an infinite hall, so the most you can do is put your back to a wall. On December 12 2016 10:33 The_Templar wrote: I'll go with 6-7. They would reach a critical mass pretty quickly given these conditions. Even with a shield, since they can just surround. But just by swinging you'd be able to disable some of them. 8 year olds are small and weak, one hit with a somewhat blunt shield will stun one fairly easily. And even if you're surrounded, you have range on them. Also it takes a lot of fork stabs to mortally wound a guy. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
assuming one free kill from the swords reach, and then he'll be able to take 1-2 with him while they start the fork massacre on his legs and lower torso. maybe can take a fourth considering the kids are probably not very good at murder. but i woudn't say any more than that, because even if they go for bad targets pretty soon the guy will fall over due to fucked up legs, which is death sentence. So 3-4. this is also assuming solid forks capable of penetrating skin more than once, if they have shitty cheap forks it'll be at least double that probs. | ||
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