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On December 12 2016 10:55 Dandel Ion wrote:
once the junk or rear entrance is hit, or the belly stabbed enough for the intestines to be hit, the pain will be too strong to keep swinging. the average human is not used to that kind of pain and won't be able to keep to the objective
assuming one free kill from the swords reach, and then he'll be able to take 1-2 with him while they start the fork massacre on his legs and lower torso. maybe can take a fourth considering the kids are probably not very good at murder. but i woudn't say any more than that, because even if they go for bad targets pretty soon the guy will fall over due to fucked up legs, which is death sentence. So 3-4.
this is also assuming solid forks capable of penetrating skin more than once, if they have shitty cheap forks it'll be at least double that probs.
Well I added to the description, the 25 year old is wearing jeans, which are pretty sturdy and would at least mitigate some of the damage. And sure, the forks are solid.
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On December 12 2016 11:23 JimmiC wrote:
Dinner forks, if so Main course or the ones for olives.
Edit: Does light saber count as sword? If so you could prob get as many as you could till your arms got too tired swinging.
The sword has to exist 
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Are the forks metal? Could the shield and sword be magnetized enough to collect the forks, simultaneously diminishing the efficiency of the attack and improving theirs?
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Stop trying to cheat, you fucks! The forks are metal but you don't get to slap an electromagnetic coil and a battery behind your shield, it's a shield!
You have a conventional sword, a conventional shield, modern unarmored clothing, and the kids have metal forks that don't bend easily. All the gear is realistic and there's no additional gear being allowed.
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The forks are pretty irrelevant. The issue is getting tackled by swarms of bodies and losing your sword. A trained fencer could do quite well in these circumstances... and incidentally I'd opt for no shield at all+ Show Spoiler +The forks aren't a threat and the way to not get tackled by superior numbers is distance, not going strength for strength with some of them with a sword. also, POI, katanas aren't light weapons. Pretty typical weight for a sword; a little heavy for their length actually.
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How well all this would go would depend on whether you allowed consideration of psychology. The hallway is big enough for a surround, but narrow enough that IRL you could absolutely threaten the entire space. The first few casualties would have a tremendous psychological effect. Whatever was motivating the attack would have to be extraordinary to get them to attack you meaningfully at all.
Beyond that, I think your "average" could probably cut down 12-20 or so. If he had choice of weapons, he'd do worse still (maybe 6?) because he'd probably actually go katana+greatshield or some similarly goofy combination. A trained fencer could do much better, partly because of the better choice of weapons and partly because your success would depend on how fast you could backpedal while attacking. At Olympic levels of fitness I bet you'd see numbers in the hundreds.
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The thing you said that I agree with the most is that "your success would depend on how fast you could backpedal while attacking".
And while I agree with your reasoning about forks not necessarily being a threat, a shield is actually very much a weapon that can be used on the retreat. A hit with a small shield will easily incapacitate a small person. I feel like if you started cleaving to keep them at a distance, you may quickly make a mistake and get it stuck, at which point you'd probably get swarmed pretty fast.
Late disclaimer: I do not condone the killing of children.
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Cheese "cheat":
Infinite.
The 25-year old is faster. Just don't take any equipment, outrun them and wait for the infinite number of 8-year olds to die of thirst, which will happen before the 25 year old due to them being smaller.
Slightly more according to intentions:
I still think it's crucial to take full advantage of the higher mobility. Just back of, take one out whenever one happens to end up too far in front, and then continue running. The 25 yo is faster both at short and long distances, so shouldn't be a problem assuming decent physical shape. With good patience from the 25 yo, and assuming not perfect formation from the 8 yos (both reasonable assumptions given the setup), I think this strategy could net the 25 yo counts well into the 100s, maybe more, before he gets too tired or mess up.
For this you'd want a long but yet light sword so that you can safely outrange then 8 yo but still run with it comfortably. Not sure you want to carry a shield around with this strategy, I'd guess not.
I'd probably just run a couple hundred meters at the start. The 8 yos are apparently very angry, but if they go in at full speed, they'll be exhausted quickly. The 25 yo should be able to stay away from them with a brisk jog without tiring himself too much I think. Then when they are tired, that's when you can close in and start taking them out.
Essentially it's abusing the fact that the 8 yos are on the offensive, while the 25 yo have to time pressure apart from not having food or drinks available. With a setup where the 8 yos could have an option to play for a draw in some way, this may not work.
This guy is pretty scary though, if he is there, you'd have to take him out first I think.
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On December 12 2016 14:54 Cascade wrote:
Cheese "cheat":
Infinite.
The 25-year old is faster. Just don't take any equipment, outrun them and wait for the infinite number of 8-year olds to die of thirst, which will happen before the 25 year old due to them being smaller.
Slightly more according to intentions:
I still think it's crucial to take full advantage of the higher mobility. Just back of, take one out whenever one happens to end up too far in front, and then continue running. The 25 yo is faster both at short and long distances, so shouldn't be a problem assuming decent physical shape. With good patience from the 25 yo, and assuming not perfect formation from the 8 yos (both reasonable assumptions given the setup), I think this strategy could net the 25 yo counts well into the 100s, maybe more, before he gets too tired or mess up.
For this you'd want a long but yet light sword so that you can safely outrange then 8 yo but still run with it comfortably. Not sure you want to carry a shield around with this strategy, I'd guess not.
I'd probably just run a couple hundred meters at the start. The 8 yos are apparently very angry, but if they go in at full speed, they'll be exhausted quickly. The 25 yo should be able to stay away from them with a brisk jog without tiring himself too much I think. Then when they are tired, that's when you can close in and start taking them out.
Essentially it's abusing the fact that the 8 yos are on the offensive, while the 25 yo have to time pressure apart from not having food or drinks available. With a setup where the 8 yos could have an option to play for a draw in some way, this may not work.
I'd toss out the infinite idea because they need to die of physically inflicted wounds in order to count. And perhaps being significantly incapacitated works too.
That being said your strategy seems sound, they are enraged so they're not coming up with tactics, they just want to do the stabby stab with forks. If you run too far and refuse to engage for too long though you lose.
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On December 12 2016 14:53 Djzapz wrote:
The thing you said that I agree with the most is that "your success would depend on how fast you could backpedal while attacking".
And while I agree with your reasoning about forks not necessarily being a threat, a shield is actually very much a weapon that can be used on the retreat. A hit with a small shield will easily incapacitate a small person. I feel like if you started cleaving to keep them at a distance, you may quickly make a mistake and get it stuck, at which point you'd probably get swarmed pretty fast.
Sure, shields are both defensive and offensive. But you have to be pretty close to use is effectively as an offensive weapon for most shield types; it's hard to convincingly shield-bash with a greatshield, aspis, kite shield or heater shield at much better than bodyslam range (I guess you could swing around wildly with a heater shield, but I'd still rather just have a sword).
The best offensively would probably be something like a viking-era round shield... you can do a lot of damage with the edge of the shield, and the boss-grip means you can threaten at some distance. But would you really want a roundshield over a sword? It's really hard to bash with those shields any direction other than forwards, and that kinda defeats what I would see as the purpose of the shield in this situation: to be able to cover one side while you carve up those on your other.
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On December 12 2016 15:10 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 14:53 Djzapz wrote:
The thing you said that I agree with the most is that "your success would depend on how fast you could backpedal while attacking".
And while I agree with your reasoning about forks not necessarily being a threat, a shield is actually very much a weapon that can be used on the retreat. A hit with a small shield will easily incapacitate a small person. I feel like if you started cleaving to keep them at a distance, you may quickly make a mistake and get it stuck, at which point you'd probably get swarmed pretty fast. Sure, shields are both defensive and offensive. But you have to be pretty close to use is effectively as an offensive weapon for most shield types; it's hard to convincingly shield-bash with a greatshield, aspis, kite shield or heater shield at much better than bodyslam range (I guess you could swing around wildly with a heater shield, but I'd still rather just have a sword). The best offensively would probably be something like a viking-era round shield... you can do a lot of damage with the edge of the shield, and the boss-grip means you can threaten at some distance. But would you really want a roundshield over a sword? It's really hard to bash with those shields any direction other than forwards, and that kinda defeats what I would see as the purpose of the shield in this situation: to be able to cover one side while you carve up those on your other.
I don't know, I feel like a shield may be useful in the event of a mistake, though I don't know that it would accomplish that. As for swords, I thought a one-handed sword would give sufficient reach while promoting mobility, whereas a heavy two handed sword may slow you down too much. If you need too much force to swing it, the time it takes to recover and to start running again may be enough for them to catch up, whereas a one-handed, lightweight sword may be usable on the run.
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On December 12 2016 15:13 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2016 15:10 Yoav wrote:On December 12 2016 14:53 Djzapz wrote:
The thing you said that I agree with the most is that "your success would depend on how fast you could backpedal while attacking".
And while I agree with your reasoning about forks not necessarily being a threat, a shield is actually very much a weapon that can be used on the retreat. A hit with a small shield will easily incapacitate a small person. I feel like if you started cleaving to keep them at a distance, you may quickly make a mistake and get it stuck, at which point you'd probably get swarmed pretty fast. Sure, shields are both defensive and offensive. But you have to be pretty close to use is effectively as an offensive weapon for most shield types; it's hard to convincingly shield-bash with a greatshield, aspis, kite shield or heater shield at much better than bodyslam range (I guess you could swing around wildly with a heater shield, but I'd still rather just have a sword). The best offensively would probably be something like a viking-era round shield... you can do a lot of damage with the edge of the shield, and the boss-grip means you can threaten at some distance. But would you really want a roundshield over a sword? It's really hard to bash with those shields any direction other than forwards, and that kinda defeats what I would see as the purpose of the shield in this situation: to be able to cover one side while you carve up those on your other. I don't know, I feel like a shield may be useful in the event of a mistake, though I don't know that it would accomplish that. As for swords, I thought a one-handed sword would give sufficient reach while promoting mobility, whereas a heavy two handed sword may slow you down too much. If you need too much force to swing it, the time it takes to recover and to start running again may be enough for them to catch up, whereas a one-handed, lightweight sword may be usable on the run.
Sure. I'm talking more a midsize hand-and-a-half sword that you can use one-handed easily enough... not like a big greatsword. A longsword isn't as nimble as a knightly sword, but it's decently so and the ability to thrust at range is key in this application. But there's definitely an argument for the knightly sword (especially if you're more confident in your fencing than in your endurance). Dual wielding is also not crazy; I'm personally not a fan of the two sword styles, but plenty of people are and the optimal situation for such an approach is something an awful lot like this. The offhand weapon won't be used when thrusting, obviously, but becomes a useful tool if they get close.
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2: An indeterminate number of enraged 8 year olds armed with forks means they have to come from somewhere because if you spawn them there, inside the hall, it's cheating.
one would just plug the hole they're coming from with dead bodies even before the 8year olds numbers become a problem.
best defense is a good offense and all that.
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On December 12 2016 09:05 Djzapz wrote:
Setting:
Belligerents:
1: The average 25 year old adult male, armed with a sword of his choosing and a shield also of his choosing. Added: Wearing shoes, jeans and a t-shirt.
2: An indeterminate number of enraged 8 year olds armed with forks.
The environment:
A 5 meters wide hall, all the 8 year olds are coming from the same direction at the same time, in whatever formation enraged 8 year olds without coherent leadership prefer.
Question:
What is the number of enraged 8 year olds with forks that the 25 year old can slay AND survive, given immediate medical attention at the end of the fight?
forks?
infinity..
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If you check the box to declare your new post contains spoilers ..
you only make a mod have to check (waste time if you are just "faking it")
no?
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As far as i know, there is now a "spoiler mode" on TL. If you enable that, all of the posts tagged as "containing spoilers" are displayed as "SPOILER" or something like that, instead of showing you the thread title or the posts. I do not believe that mods are in any way involved in checking if there are real spoilers in there.
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do people who think the moon landing was fake think all the moon landings were fake or just the first one? and what about all the space stations and space exploration in general.
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Most of them thinks all moon landings were fake. Not sure about space stations, it probably depends if we're talking about flat earthers or just people who think Americans faked moon landing for propaganda reasons.
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There are probably a lot of different conspiracy theories out there.
As far as i know, there are even some people who claim that the moon isn't real. So if that is the case, then of course none of the moon landings could have been real.
In my opinion, if you already think the first moon landing is fake, there is no reason to believe any of the following are real. Why go for the "Moon landings are slightly harder then we were told, and only happened a few years later" conspiracy, that sounds incredibly boring. I would assume that if you are into conspiracies, you might as well go with "Moon landings with rockets are impossible, and thus all of them have been faked, except for the Nazi Reichsflugscheiben Moon landing in 1936.", that sounds like a lot more fun.
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