EPTpoint is, they kill their own food, they arent usually killing them by the 1000's they kill what they need or for some religious reason. almost all of north america doesnt even kill their own food or even plant it, they buy it from a grocery store. so instead of just jumping up and being right against it, maybe take a wider view of the whole thing and see that you yourself really have no experience or proper perspective on the whole matter.
Banning halal/kosher butchering - Page 20
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Oldboysctv
Canada58 Posts
point is, they kill their own food, they arent usually killing them by the 1000's they kill what they need or for some religious reason. almost all of north america doesnt even kill their own food or even plant it, they buy it from a grocery store. so instead of just jumping up and being right against it, maybe take a wider view of the whole thing and see that you yourself really have no experience or proper perspective on the whole matter. | ||
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sorrowptoss
Canada1431 Posts
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Diks
Belgium1880 Posts
The human > animals make me want to puke on the keyboard of the guy who wrote this. I don't agree at all about this one; human = animals. We are different but not better. You are comparing men and animals with men standards. Of course animals don't know mathematic, alphabet and stuff, but can you fly ? can breath underwater ? can you communicate with pheromones ? How well can you understand body language ? can you sense an entire place without looking at it ? Animals are fantastic, if you doubt about it, maybe you didn't study them enough. I love every animals on this planet, my least favourite being the human. Great power lead to great stupidity in that realm | ||
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pissingwildly
12 Posts
On June 29 2011 09:41 Zetter wrote: By the means of freedom of religion, the government is obligated to guarantee religious fulfillment to each and everyone of it's citizens. That's absolutely false and you know it. Not only is it impossible to guarantee anything like that, it's thoroughly dangerous to entertain that as a policy. The freedom to practice your religion does not include any freedom to ignore the consequences of your actions. If any practice, religious or not, causes the undue suffering of unwilling participants, then no government will defend it. There are very few exceptions to this and they are only exceptions because they have existed longer than the states themselves. If you ask me they will all be banned in the next few decades but that's neither here nor there. | ||
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chuigo
Australia93 Posts
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Ridiculisk
Australia191 Posts
There is absolutly no reason why the animals can't be rendered unconscience first. | ||
Empyrean
17050 Posts
On June 29 2011 09:41 Zetter wrote: By the means of freedom of religion, the government is obligated to guarantee religious fulfillment to each and everyone of it's citizens. Let's pretend that my religion requires me to slaughter twenty Christians in my lifetime. Does the government have an obligation to help me in my quest? Who is the government to judge whether my religion is worthy of its consideration? Is it by sheer number? Because ten thousand people in the UK are registered as Jedis on the census. | ||
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Kenpachi
United States9908 Posts
This is going to cause a riot regardless of it being morally right though | ||
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Reborn8u
United States1761 Posts
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isM
United States735 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
Screw the religious traditions. Isn't the intolerance for others view's the same reason you guys dislike religion? This comes off as hypocritical to me, Halal/Kosher butchering is designed to virtually eliminate suffering from the animal. I cannot understand why people believe its okay to insert morals from only one side of an issue. No, the major reason most people dislike religion is that it's idiotic, poisonous, has no logical reason for it whatsoever, and it gets in the way of human development and progress. | ||
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Hekisui
195 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:50 isM wrote: Isn't the intolerance for others view's the same reason you guys dislike religion? This comes off as hypocritical to me, Halal/Kosher butchering is designed to virtually eliminate suffering from the animal. I cannot understand why people believe its okay to insert morals from only one side of an issue. That shows just how self-defeating this religious dogma is. If halal and kosher butchering were designed to eliminate animal suffering in a stone age time, then now when that practice is the most cruel one available and more modern alternatives are available, what is the problem? Why is self defeating religious dogma that actually does the opposite of what it is supposed to do more important than animal rights? If halal and kosher practices are so important and this is indeed the spirit behind them, why don't they change the dogma and the religious texts? This is just the age old problem of religion. It is completely out of touch with reality. You are saying they are actually sinning against their imaginary god by sticking to the letter of their of the religious texts while accusing the rest of society, who are shocked and disgusted by their practices, that they are forced to sin against their imaginary god. And then there are the animals that suffer needlessly. Ridiculing the suffering of animals is no different that ridiculing the suffering of humans. How many times can one be wrong on a single issue? I can't fathom how it is theoretically possible. | ||
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isM
United States735 Posts
On June 29 2011 10:53 Whitewing wrote: The religions have no good reason to follow through on this, other than "lol tradition and religion." Animals not being tormented as they are being slaughtered is so far ahead of religious traditions in my book on the priority list that it's not even funny. Screw the religious traditions. No, the major reason most people dislike religion is that it's idiotic, poisonous, has no logical reason for it whatsoever, and it gets in the way of human development and progress. Religion for most is just a guide to a fulfilled life. Yes some people take it to extremes but you take anything to extremes and you are equally idiotic, poisonous and illogical. You cannot assume the views of a select few are matched by the masses either or you are no better than what you are trying to fight against. | ||
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blah_blah
346 Posts
On June 28 2011 23:11 Vashalgrim wrote:And that law would seem to be prohibiting the free exercise of someone's religious belief. Does the Dutch constitution have a similar clause? This may be shocking to you, but not all countries were founded by religious zealots fleeing persecution and hence do not provide the same protection for religious practices. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13307 Posts
It's well worth a watch if you have the time. No specifically related to the issue of Halal, but looks more at the issue of live exports. http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/special_eds/20110530/cattle/ **Beware it's a little disturbing though if you're a pro animal rights person. | ||
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Shaok
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Olinim
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isM
United States735 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:12 blah_blah wrote: This may be shocking to you, but not all countries were founded by religious zealots fleeing persecution and hence do not provide the same protection for religious practices. That is weird to me because I don't seem to remember the Pilgrims being the ones who wrote the United States Constitution, silly me. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
And anyone that gets upset by this, you really don't want to know how the animals are treated before they go to slaughter, a knife in your neck is the least of your issue. No, not even your precious "We totally treat our meat right"-seal helps, there are cases every single day showing that the way to make profit is to treat your animals like garbage. Perhaps you should focus on fixing the 3 years of complete misery before you complain about miliseconds worth of pain -.- And no I'm not religious in the slightest but it seems like as soon as people bring the subject up people lose their heads and any means of thinking rationally. | ||
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Aurocaido
Canada288 Posts
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