EPTi dont really give a shit about animal rights but i think this is kinda retarded.
Banning halal/kosher butchering - Page 21
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Stroggoz
New Zealand79 Posts
i dont really give a shit about animal rights but i think this is kinda retarded. | ||
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pi_rate_pir_ate
United States179 Posts
The word welfare generally implies keeping something healthy and prosperous. 1. the good fortune, health, happiness, prosperity, etc., of a person, group, or organization; well-being: to look after a child's welfare; the physical or moral welfare of society. 2. welfare work. 3. financial or other assistance to an individual or family from a city, state, or national government: Thousands of jobless people in this city would starve if it weren't for welfare. Since the definition of welfare in the above stated OP says that the law is to minimize pain and fear, and both practices are culturally appropriate ways to accomplish this, it seems likely that the people passing this law have cultural motivation rather than the animals welfare in mind. It is understandable that they would word things in such a way as to make the opposition sound like heartless torturers because this is what politicians do in order to move masses of people to emotional positions that are unassailable through use of logical argumentation. They are certainly effective. 73% of people voting on TL (to this point) consider this issue to actually revolve around animal welfare. It actually revolves around human opinion about animal welfare, and the deciding factor is not the animal's feelings, but instead the cultural background and ways of expressing the values of the separate human groups. Part of participating in a global community like TL is learning to both understand and appreciate the ways that other people think and express value. This isn't true on just the global level. It is very true within interpersonal relationships. It is also very true between separate families. Last but not least for all young aspiring daters of women, it is extremely important when interacting with the opposite sex. If you want your GF to value SC2 like Tyler's wife does, and not only that but value you as a SC2 player like Tyler's wife and my own wife do, then you need to learn how to value other people's value system and demonstrate it so that your future spouse and others can learn from your positive example. | ||
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Trawlen
United Kingdom13 Posts
They wait for the animal to bleed out, and to some people who watch on TV it looks like they are mistreating it because it squeals and moves after its throat has been cut but this is just simply its muscles reacting to the shock and lungs expelling any excess air after death. So to sum up, standard animal slaughter works because of the stun. Without it, animals would suffer and feel the pain of their throats being cut. Religious slaughter takes out all thoughts for animal welfare, put them to the side and put their "religious" beliefs before it. If you ask me, this should be illegal. Just a thought but couldnt this be used for illegal purposes to produce cheap meat? Also for the poster above me the two processes are exactly the same except one doesn't include the process of stunning 30 seconds before it dies to remove any kind of pain it might suffer. From the second the paddles are put to the side of the animals head, they can't feel a thing. Then 30 seconds later their main arteries are cut to make sure it bleeds out as fast as possible. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:00 isM wrote: Religion for most is just a guide to a fulfilled life. Yes some people take it to extremes but you take anything to extremes and you are equally idiotic, poisonous and illogical. You cannot assume the views of a select few are matched by the masses either or you are no better than what you are trying to fight against. No, what I mean is, all religion, regardless of how extreme or inoffensive it might be, is idiotic. It's dumb to believe in something and base real life decisions on that belief when there is absolutely zero evidence to support that belief. | ||
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Mallard86
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KhaosKreator
Canada145 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:31 Whitewing wrote: No, what I mean is, all religion, regardless of how extreme or inoffensive it might be, is idiotic. It's dumb to believe in something and base real life decisions on that belief when there is absolutely zero evidence to support that belief. You have zero reason to believe that living is "more good" than not living, and yet here you stand. Think of all the damage you're causing to the environment by existing! All that coal and oil you consume, and the trees you cut down to build your home, and the land you occupy that could be occupied by anything else. Unless, you don't value nature over yourself, of course. But you have no reason to value anything over anything else, so why would you? What idiots indeed, having values that are consistent with their belief system. | ||
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KhaosKreator
Canada145 Posts
So if halal or kosher meat manufacturers treat their animals with an ounce more respect during the raising of the animals (like allowing them to walk outside and graze) then I would think that they are better than the horrible system we have for animal treatment. | ||
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Nothingtosay
United States875 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:49 KhaosKreator wrote: You have zero reason to believe that living is "more good" than not living, and yet here you stand. Think of all the damage you're causing to the environment by existing! All that coal and oil you consume, and the trees you cut down to build your home, and the land you occupy that could be occupied by anything else. Unless, you don't value nature over yourself, of course. But you have no reason to value anything over anything else, so why would you? What idiots indeed, having values that are consistent with their belief system. Are you serious? no reason to think that being alive is better than being dead? As far as science goes being dead = game over and I don't think the vast majority of people want that. | ||
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blah_blah
346 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:49 KhaosKreator wrote:You have zero reason to believe that living is "more good" than not living, and yet here you stand. Think of all the damage you're causing to the environment by existing! All that coal and oil you consume, and the trees you cut down to build your home, and the land you occupy that could be occupied by anything else. Unless, you don't value nature over yourself, of course. But you have no reason to value anything over anything else, so why would you? What idiots indeed, having values that are consistent with their belief system. If you believe that there is no possible meaning to life outside of religion, this says far more about you than it does about atheism. | ||
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Olinim
4044 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:49 KhaosKreator wrote: You have zero reason to believe that living is "more good" than not living, and yet here you stand. Think of all the damage you're causing to the environment by existing! All that coal and oil you consume, and the trees you cut down to build your home, and the land you occupy that could be occupied by anything else. Unless, you don't value nature over yourself, of course. But you have no reason to value anything over anything else, so why would you? What idiots indeed, having values that are consistent with their belief system. ...What? | ||
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KhaosKreator
Canada145 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:55 Nothingtosay wrote: Are you serious? no reason to think that being alive is better than being dead? As far as science goes being dead = game over and I don't think the vast majority of people want that. It's true that people don't want that! But science unfortunately doesn't care either way.  My point is that you can't apply "logic and science" to basic things like values. Your values have no logical basis. They wouldn't be values then, they would be facts. | ||
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blah_blah
346 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:58 KhaosKreator wrote:My point is that you can't apply "logic and science" to basic things like values. Your values have no logical basis. They wouldn't be values then, they would be facts. You're just embarassing yourself now. | ||
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KhaosKreator
Canada145 Posts
Fact: Given that you don't value life, eating is not a required action. Not Fact: People should value life. Anyway, this is all off topic. I apologize for talking about values and beliefs, I was just upset by the offensive and moronic statements made by that previous poster. | ||
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hoor3x
United States100 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Nothingtosay
United States875 Posts
On June 29 2011 11:58 KhaosKreator wrote: It's true that people don't want that! But science unfortunately doesn't care either way. My point is that you can't apply "logic and science" to basic things like values. Your values have no logical basis. They wouldn't be values then, they would be facts. I apply logic and science in my values all the time it helps me out when things like emotion get in the way. | ||
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Aurocaido
Canada288 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:03 hoor3x wrote: fuck animals fuck your face User was warned for this post | ||
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KhaosKreator
Canada145 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:03 hoor3x wrote: fuck animals my honest-to-god actual opinion: i think animals are just super complicated computers, so in reality i don't care either way. fuck animals On June 29 2011 12:03 NothingToSay wrote:I apply logic and science in my values all the time it helps me out when things like emotion get in the way. Check your PM's, and likewise anyone here can PM me if they want to call me dumb so we don't clutter up the thread. | ||
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2l84that
Turkey35 Posts
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Olinim
4044 Posts
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Chibithor
Brazil514 Posts
On June 29 2011 12:11 KhaosKreator wrote: my honest-to-god actual opinion: i think animals are just super complicated computers, so in reality i don't care either way. fuck animals I think humans are even more complicated computers, so I guess I one-upped you there. | ||
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