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T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
June 28 2011 20:55 GMT
#281
We only need to look at Indonesia who just got slapped with an export ban by Australia after we found out their interpretation of halal was off the docks in a shipping container with a machete. But I guess some people will defend anything even though what they were doing wasnt humane or hygenic.
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 28 2011 20:58 GMT
#282
On June 29 2011 05:54 MilesTeg wrote:
Another populist law to get the islamophobic voter. You guys seriously don't have anything better to do?

It's the same in France, they're legislating on everything to please the intolerant majority, and I find the whole debate disgusting.

Besides is the poll is ridiculously biased, and should be removed from the OP.

(this coming from an atheist who doesn't even want to kill a bug...)

The French are so blatantly racist towards the Islamic Religion. In Quebec there was a vote against the hijab, even though maybe 60? people total wear religious garb over their head in Quebec. Its like, really? you're going to cost the governemnt thousands of dollars because you're so racist you cannot allow 60 people to practice their religion??
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
June 28 2011 21:02 GMT
#283
On June 29 2011 05:58 Holcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 05:54 MilesTeg wrote:
Another populist law to get the islamophobic voter. You guys seriously don't have anything better to do?

It's the same in France, they're legislating on everything to please the intolerant majority, and I find the whole debate disgusting.

Besides is the poll is ridiculously biased, and should be removed from the OP.

(this coming from an atheist who doesn't even want to kill a bug...)

The French are so blatantly racist towards the Islamic Religion. In Quebec there was a vote against the hijab, even though maybe 60? people total wear religious garb over their head in Quebec. Its like, really? you're going to cost the governemnt thousands of dollars because you're so racist you cannot allow 60 people to practice their religion??


You can't be racist against a religion... -_-
d[s]c
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States79 Posts
June 28 2011 21:02 GMT
#284
The kind of meat I eat is fish, other than that, plants and grains. I've been a live for some time now, and I think people in general could be find going vegetarian. If you want to get more specific, last time I saw a video on slaughter houses (not kosher kind), but animals being put on conveyer belts and going through a series of machines that just lopped off their body parts while totally conscious. Kosher is actually "tries" to make it as painless and "sinless" as possible; they care about their actions and the wellbeing of the animal. So, I guess if there were starving people, then why let them starve, in my thought and what I've learned, but if you can live without meat, yea, happier animals? Kind of like that- is my thoughts.
d[s]c
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States79 Posts
June 28 2011 21:03 GMT
#285
(alive*) , (fine*), yea
Dizmaul
Profile Joined March 2010
United States831 Posts
June 28 2011 21:05 GMT
#286
I never understood why people would assume they can move to a new culture and practice there old one without anyone getting upset hah.
It is what it is
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 28 2011 21:05 GMT
#287
On June 29 2011 05:32 Destro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 05:13 Zorgaz wrote:
On June 29 2011 04:01 Destro wrote:
On June 29 2011 03:58 Zorgaz wrote:
Religion is only acceptable if it doesn't interfere with the law or humane ethics.

Cutting the animals throat isn't humane, of course the animal feels the pain.

It's just a bunch of bull*#&!




you mean, your human ethics.


If animal cruelty doesn't disturb you, then atleast I think that's kinda disturbing.



sorry, cutting the throat of an animal doesnt disturb me. people's ignorance to how the world works does however. Go to africa, tell a village that has 3 goats to survive off of for 2 months that they are disturbing for cutting the throat of a goat for food.

Until we stop treating other humans worse than we treat our food, i will never believe that this kind of arrogant 1st world issue is worth the discussion.

I wouldn't be surprised that people would rather end animal suffering before we end human suffering. If thats what is "humane" i want nothing to do with the word.


Nice strawman. Nobody would argue that a starving African killing an animal in order to feed himself would classify as "animal cruelty."
Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
June 28 2011 21:09 GMT
#288
On June 29 2011 06:02 LegendaryZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 05:58 Holcan wrote:
On June 29 2011 05:54 MilesTeg wrote:
Another populist law to get the islamophobic voter. You guys seriously don't have anything better to do?

It's the same in France, they're legislating on everything to please the intolerant majority, and I find the whole debate disgusting.

Besides is the poll is ridiculously biased, and should be removed from the OP.

(this coming from an atheist who doesn't even want to kill a bug...)

The French are so blatantly racist towards the Islamic Religion. In Quebec there was a vote against the hijab, even though maybe 60? people total wear religious garb over their head in Quebec. Its like, really? you're going to cost the governemnt thousands of dollars because you're so racist you cannot allow 60 people to practice their religion??


You can't be racist against a religion... -_-

so blatantly prejudice* whatever, its an internet forum, I care about as much for using correct words, as I do about actually changing peoples opinions about religion. (i dont)
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
IMLyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada714 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 21:21:50
June 28 2011 21:14 GMT
#289
Animal Welfare is using a stunner? The description given in the post does not stand for what the Halal Slaughtering process is. Maybe some of you should look up the Halal Slaughtering process and then see which is better for Animal Welfare

Edit: Nice informational article I just found to help clarify "Halal" http://muslimvillage.com/2011/05/31/is-halal-slaughter-cruel-to-animals/
I'ma show you how great I am ~ Muhammed Ali
Zihua
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands177 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 21:16:41
June 28 2011 21:16 GMT
#290

so blatantly prejudice* whatever, its an internet forum, I care about as much for using correct words, as I do about actually changing peoples opinions about religion. (i dont)


You do care about using the term that demonizes your opponent most effectively. I guess that makes you a slightly dishonest person, but I'll just call you a liar.
Avi-
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany58 Posts
June 28 2011 21:17 GMT
#291
On June 29 2011 06:02 d[s]c wrote:
The kind of meat I eat is fish, other than that, plants and grains.

You eat fish? You monster, poor fish is suffering.
You eat plants and grains? You monster, poor animals will starve because of you.
On June 29 2011 06:05 Dizmaul wrote:
I never understood why people would assume they can move to a new culture and practice there old one without anyone getting upset hah.

you do understand that Jews practised kosher slaughtering in that area for 1000 years?
FaZe
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada472 Posts
June 28 2011 21:18 GMT
#292
On June 29 2011 06:05 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 05:32 Destro wrote:
On June 29 2011 05:13 Zorgaz wrote:
On June 29 2011 04:01 Destro wrote:
On June 29 2011 03:58 Zorgaz wrote:
Religion is only acceptable if it doesn't interfere with the law or humane ethics.

Cutting the animals throat isn't humane, of course the animal feels the pain.

It's just a bunch of bull*#&!




you mean, your human ethics.


If animal cruelty doesn't disturb you, then atleast I think that's kinda disturbing.



sorry, cutting the throat of an animal doesnt disturb me. people's ignorance to how the world works does however. Go to africa, tell a village that has 3 goats to survive off of for 2 months that they are disturbing for cutting the throat of a goat for food.

Until we stop treating other humans worse than we treat our food, i will never believe that this kind of arrogant 1st world issue is worth the discussion.

I wouldn't be surprised that people would rather end animal suffering before we end human suffering. If thats what is "humane" i want nothing to do with the word.


Nice strawman. Nobody would argue that a starving African killing an animal in order to feed himself would classify as "animal cruelty."


I think what he's trying to say is that the whole debate is misappropriated energy that would be better spent trying to reduce human suffering.
"Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none."
Destro
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands1206 Posts
June 28 2011 21:19 GMT
#293
On June 29 2011 06:05 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 05:32 Destro wrote:
On June 29 2011 05:13 Zorgaz wrote:
On June 29 2011 04:01 Destro wrote:
On June 29 2011 03:58 Zorgaz wrote:
Religion is only acceptable if it doesn't interfere with the law or humane ethics.

Cutting the animals throat isn't humane, of course the animal feels the pain.

It's just a bunch of bull*#&!




you mean, your human ethics.


If animal cruelty doesn't disturb you, then atleast I think that's kinda disturbing.



sorry, cutting the throat of an animal doesnt disturb me. people's ignorance to how the world works does however. Go to africa, tell a village that has 3 goats to survive off of for 2 months that they are disturbing for cutting the throat of a goat for food.

Until we stop treating other humans worse than we treat our food, i will never believe that this kind of arrogant 1st world issue is worth the discussion.

I wouldn't be surprised that people would rather end animal suffering before we end human suffering. If thats what is "humane" i want nothing to do with the word.


Nice strawman. Nobody would argue that a starving African killing an animal in order to feed himself would classify as "animal cruelty."


its humans eating food. Its not like they are torturing the animal... last time i checked slicing a throat is a pretty quick way to kill something...

Also in the same vein, we should abolish hunting altogether, fishing, horse racing, or anything where animals are used to fulfill a human's entertainment/eating.

I fully agree with the above poster that this is a huge islamaphobic undertone and if you removed the religious aspect to it and called it a cultural tradition... this wouldnt get a tenth of the attention its gaining.

I am going to the local safeway tonight as an atheist and buying halal meat out of spite. I dislike religion but i rather promote freedom.

bring back weapon of choice for hots!
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
June 28 2011 21:19 GMT
#294
On June 29 2011 05:19 Holcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 05:13 Zorgaz wrote:
On June 29 2011 04:01 Destro wrote:
On June 29 2011 03:58 Zorgaz wrote:
Religion is only acceptable if it doesn't interfere with the law or humane ethics.

Cutting the animals throat isn't humane, of course the animal feels the pain.

It's just a bunch of bull*#&!




you mean, your human ethics.


If animal cruelty doesn't disturb you, then atleast I think that's kinda disturbing.


Everything that you have posted has been in your own perspective, and by the sounds of it, you are a vegan atheist, if not, you're a hypocrite.


Nope i eat meat. I never said I'm against us eating animals.

I do however think that animals know pain aswell as we do and that we should avoid inflicting unnecessary pain on them.

No point making them suffer more.
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
FarmI3oy
Profile Joined May 2011
United States255 Posts
June 28 2011 21:19 GMT
#295
I was really hoping someone would quote my post earlier

I wish people would understand what happens in a slaughterhouse is totally different then a ritual animal slaughtering I mean come on. Obvious is Obvious.
adrenaLinG
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada676 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 21:22:48
June 28 2011 21:20 GMT
#296
On June 29 2011 04:07 ScrubS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 04:04 RealQ wrote:
On June 29 2011 04:02 SpearWrit wrote:
On June 29 2011 03:58 emythrel wrote:
On June 29 2011 03:55 SpearWrit wrote:
On June 29 2011 03:54 emythrel wrote:
However, I personally can't stand people who do something "because its traditional" or "because of their religion" when there is a far cleaner, safer and more humane way of achieving the same goal by using modern technology and practices. Therefore I am totally against halal/kosher because it is clinging to outdated and completely ridiculous beliefs (in my opinion, yours may differ and that's fine lol).


That means you don't know what halal/kosher is. Try and read up on it before posting.


It is based on religious beliefs, if thats you're only reason for doing it.... its stupid. I did edit my post to say that if it is equally quick and painless then its fine, even if the reasoning behind it is stupid.


Religious beliefs, then, are stupid? That's rather arrogant.
I will not continue a discussion with you, if by the get go my reasoning is already condemned to be "stupid."


Religion itself is stupid


Religion and animal welfare are both stupid. So far it hasn't been scientifically proven that animals suffer more when they are butchered halal/kosher. Therefore, it is just way easier and better to allow it (eventho its bs, as i agree with u)


What about human welfare?

Both Jews and Muslims are upset and suing in San Francisco where there is a voters initiative trying to get forced circumcision on males under 18 years of age (the legal age limit) banned.


On June 29 2011 05:58 Holcan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 05:54 MilesTeg wrote:
Another populist law to get the islamophobic voter. You guys seriously don't have anything better to do?

It's the same in France, they're legislating on everything to please the intolerant majority, and I find the whole debate disgusting.

Besides is the poll is ridiculously biased, and should be removed from the OP.

(this coming from an atheist who doesn't even want to kill a bug...)

The French are so blatantly racist towards the Islamic Religion. In Quebec there was a vote against the hijab, even though maybe 60? people total wear religious garb over their head in Quebec. Its like, really? you're going to cost the governemnt thousands of dollars because you're so racist you cannot allow 60 people to practice their religion??

Well, religions have costed the government MILLIONS of dollars trying to get things like same-sex marriage banned.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
brain_
Profile Joined June 2010
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-28 21:26:37
June 28 2011 21:24 GMT
#297
Animals are property, people should have the freedom to treat them however they please (within reason), regardless of whether the reasons are religious or not. Throat slitting is humane enough, consciousness is lost almost instantly. Its been done that way for thousands of years, nobody gave a shit.
Ghazwan
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Netherlands444 Posts
June 28 2011 21:25 GMT
#298
Don't get it.

Butchering an animal and then eating it is fine, and at the same time we are ok with antagonizing a major social group to save the said animal from a few seconds of pain.

It's not worth it.
Yergidy
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2107 Posts
June 28 2011 21:26 GMT
#299
I used to show poultry and afterwards I had to butcher them. They taught you to hang the bird upside down and cut the main artery in the neck. If done correctly the bird is dead in under 1 minute. It is a quick death. I don't see any problem with this type of butchering, it is an effective and humane method and laws against it are just the government trying to stick there noses in places where they don't need to in my opinion.
One bright day in the middle of the night, Two dead boys got up to fight; Back to back they faced each other, Drew their swords and shot each other.
Jokithedruid
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden74 Posts
June 28 2011 21:27 GMT
#300
On June 29 2011 06:05 Dizmaul wrote:
I never understood why people would assume they can move to a new culture and practice there old one without anyone getting upset hah.


I never understood why people cant accept that people eat/talk/sleep differently and always think that they are the center of universe which every1 else should orbit in a nice "normal" way. Stop the "it's mah town" b/s please, it's unintellegent and a fascistic way of thinking.
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