EPTOn June 22 2011 11:50 Medrea wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa hold the phone.
Canada doesn't have supplemental medical insurance??
Whoa whoa whoa hold the phone.
Canada doesn't have supplemental medical insurance??
nevermind, I'm retarded
Drug Cost A Likely Death Sentence - Page 2
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OsoVega
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KwarK
United States44181 Posts
I'm sorry for your friend and I wish there was a better answer. Good luck. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
OH, phew. Thank god. We dodged a real bullet there. | ||
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
On June 22 2011 11:46 Medrea wrote:Yeah but those guys make way too much money. I understand it takes excellent minds to develop this stuff but commanding 7 figure salaries for executive types, not even the researchers, and asking for more is a tad ridiculous. It's true that the researchers aren't the one making 7 figure salaries. The top executives might, but the top executives at any company that large will. Either way, those salaries and bonuses are mere drops in the bucket compared to the money coming in and out. The vast majority of profit goes back into researching the next generations of drugs. If the execs cut their salaries down to nothing, the cost of this kid's treatment probably wouldn't drop by a tenth of a percent. | ||
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bean183
United States73 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On June 22 2011 11:53 KwarK wrote: The problem is that if the Gov provides the 500k to treat him then elsewhere two people with conditions that cost 250k each to treat will go untreated. You can't simply go "treat everyone", the money isn't there. In a publicly funded system there has to be a degree of rationing, cost effectiveness is a factor. The advantage is that the money is spent much more fairly, rich people don't squander money on expensive stuff while the poor can't afford essential stuff for a fraction of the cost but unfortunately some stuff is judged as simply not worth it. I'm sorry for your friend and I wish there was a better answer. Good luck. Unfortunately this young man's death is going to be extremely "lame". People have to learn though that in this modern times we have run out of "miracle" cures. Very rarely do we find an inexpensive alternative. ATM anything we cannot cure, it is obvious that a developed cure will be far too expensive. Take for instance the common cold. Is it curable? Oh I'm sure sometime way WAY down the road we will find a cure. Will it cost way more than the damage a cold can do? You bet. Why spend billions curing a cold when you can wait a week right? See that's what I am getting at. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On June 22 2011 11:56 bean183 wrote: This might be stupid, but if you know the chemical structure you can try to get a chemist to make it for you (obviously dont resell or even tell anyone about it). It would be as good or as pure as the pharma company but if hes going to die you might as well try everything. Its actually the administering that is expensive. Evidently it takes a very large amount of this rare drug. And it has to be properly administered over a 35 minute period twice a month for the rest of the patients life. | ||
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Wombatsavior
United States107 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + http://www.burzynskimovie.com/ <-- If it has you interested | ||
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KwarK
United States44181 Posts
On June 22 2011 11:57 Medrea wrote: Unfortunately this young man's death is going to be extremely "lame". People have to learn though that in this modern times we have run out of "miracle" cures. Very rarely do we find an inexpensive alternative. ATM anything we cannot cure, it is obvious that a developed cure will be far too expensive. Take for instance the common cold. Is it curable? Oh I'm sure sometime way WAY down the road we will find a cure. Will it cost way more than the damage a cold can do? You bet. Why spend billions curing a cold when you can wait a week right? See that's what I am getting at. Not at all. The cure for the common cold would be incredibly valuable, every store in the world would stock it. The problem is it's a virus and actually quite difficult to cure. | ||
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Igakusei
United States610 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_delivery | ||
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bean183
United States73 Posts
On June 22 2011 11:59 Medrea wrote: Its actually the administering that is expensive. Evidently it takes a very large amount of this rare drug. And it has to be properly administered over a 35 minute period twice a month for the rest of the patients life. Whats so expensive about the administration? I think its just an iv that can be done by anyone in the healthcare field according to the website. The drug itself is not that expensive(500k per year) to produce, its just the R&D invested. Maybe its too complicated to make in a academic setting, but i doubt it. edit : this probably isnt likely, but if i was dying and couldnt afford my drug id sure as hell try it | ||
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The_LiNk
Canada863 Posts
There was a case that was on the front page of the Toronto Star a few months ago where a 18 year old had some sort of rare bone disease. Eventually his treatment was paid via donations. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On June 22 2011 12:03 KwarK wrote: Not at all. The cure for the common cold would be incredibly valuable, every store in the world would stock it. The problem is it's a virus and actually quite difficult to cure. Nono, I think you missed the point. What if the cure for cold needed like, an entire trip to the moon for fresh moon rocks. Can you see the local shop-rite pharmacy stocking billion dollar tablets on there shelves? There is a point where too expensive a cure is no cure at all is what I am saying. | ||
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Hithran
Canada57 Posts
On June 22 2011 11:57 Medrea wrote: Unfortunately this young man's death is going to be extremely "lame". People have to learn though that in this modern times we have run out of "miracle" cures. Very rarely do we find an inexpensive alternative. ATM anything we cannot cure, it is obvious that a developed cure will be far too expensive. Take for instance the common cold. Is it curable? Oh I'm sure sometime way WAY down the road we will find a cure. Will it cost way more than the damage a cold can do? You bet. Why spend billions curing a cold when you can wait a week right? See that's what I am getting at. The common cold costs us billions of dollars every year so I think a cure would be worth it. | ||
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fadestep
United States605 Posts
On June 22 2011 12:03 Wombatsavior wrote: This reminds me of Dr. Burzynksi incident thats been on going for a good 20-30 years now or so. It's about the FDA's war against his different cure for cancer that does work. They try to throw him in prison while at the sametime approving him for clinical trials, but now there's a long full length documentary showing his side of the story. They were showing the full length up to June 20th. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + http://www.burzynskimovie.com/ <-- If it has you interested I don't see the parallel. Anyways, Burzynski is kind of sleasy. I don't love the medical companies but I don't love Burzynski either. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On June 22 2011 12:08 Hithran wrote: The common cold costs us billions of dollars every year so I think a cure would be worth it. Per person? | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Arnstein
Norway3381 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On June 22 2011 12:14 Arnstein wrote: Move to Norway. You actually aren't allowed to pay more than 300 dollars each year for any kind of treatment, after the first 300 dollars it's free. Who pays for it then? | ||
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
IF Garrett Shakespeare wants to live a full life, the cost will be approximately $500,000 a year. I'm certain that only people like Bill Gates would have enough money to support this type of treatment. 500k a year is just plain outrageous. Really sad to see that the treatment is priced so high. | ||
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