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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
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King[Neikos]
Costa Rica506 Posts
On June 06 2011 03:47 Euronyme wrote: LOL. You're talking as if this was a murder by some hardcore batshit child abuser. It was a couple of young girls force undressing a young boy. You really want that to go through the justice system? "offenders walking away without consequences after commiting a crime".. Wow seriously? They're kids for christ sakes. Justice to me is not about punishment, it's about helping people. I don't think this is a serious enough crime (honestly, is it even a crime?) to warrant being called a criminal. Might as well sue the toddler who finger painted on your walls for disturbing of peace, and destroying private property. If a law exist against it you could do it, crime is a crime, and it warrants punishment from the law that is there to prevent that from happening and to punish (sorry for being redundant) the individuals that do it. Their kids? thats all? so, what if they shot at someone? their kids so its okay? and dont come saying its a different matter, its a crime, law exist, law should be enforced and criminals judged. What if they were all grown ups, 20-30 years, wouldnt it be a crime? wouldnt the victim take it to the court? why is it different just because "they are kids". Enlighten me on how justice helps people be letting them walk off like they hadnt do anything. | ||
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AraMoOse
Canada66 Posts
On June 06 2011 03:30 DisneylandSC wrote: Actually we do know she is doing nothing. Besides pressing charges there isn't much else she can do. She can try and punish the girls via school, but in the item it is already said that the school will not punish the girls involved. Then since neither of the girls is one of her kids she has done and will do NOTHING. No, those are only ways to punish the girls. I agree she is doing nothing TO PUNISH THE GIRLS. That's not the point being argued. The point is that punishing the girls is not the only dimension to this situation. While I would have pressed charges, punishing the girls is not my primary concern here. My primary concern is the wellbeing of my son. If pressing charges is a distraction from caring for my son, then caring for my son takes precedence, even if it means the girls will never be punished, Actually revenge is a component in punishment. Appart from that it is >obviously< not the case that punishment is only for prevention purposes in the narrow case of a particular event. But rather as a preventive measure from this happening again anywhere anytime. After all with your reasoning people should be able to get away with murder. The victim is already dead so who cares right? You are in fact agreeing with me here, and then arguing against a position I didn't defend. My point is not that we shouldn't punish. It's that punishment is not the 'end game', especially for a mother. The end game is a psycologically healthy boy (and a safe environment for him and others to develop in). Punishment is a decent counter-incentive (forgive my limited vocabulary, i'm a poor French Canadian), but it doesn't do anything for the kid's wellbeing. What I'm saying is that we should be concerned with his wellbeing before worrying about hanging the girl. People here seem to think that you throw the girls in a young delinquants' center and everything's fixed. I guess we will have to disagree on that. Me personaly, I would take it as a huge betrayel if my mom decided not to press charges or do anything else for that matter, even downplaying it as a joke that got a little out of hand. I would even go to court to have child custody removed so I could press charges myself. Have you considered the possibility that the kid might have begged his mother not to press charges? I'm sure you would take it as a betrayal and that's your business, but why do you think the kid necessarily thinks like you? I'm not saying he doesn't, I'm saying you don't know and you're judging his mother based on your perspective. | ||
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HoldenR
Netherlands256 Posts
On June 06 2011 03:35 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Yeah, far worse things happen than this video every second of every day Far worse things happen than just about everything that happens. The reason this story, and what's more, the reaction to it, is so newsworthy and important is because it shows an extremely systematic abuse of men in the legal system in the west. It also shows how extremely poorly men are treated by society as a whole. This thread is a terrific example: Many people argue that "they want to be in his place" (Ignoring that it's an 11 year old boy that is likely not sexually interested in women yet), "he should be able to defend himself" (ignoring that at that age, women are larger than men - especially with three of those vital years between them), "deal with it" (what?), etc. This entire story isn't relevant because of how "horrible" the crime is. It's bullying, which happens and while we should fight to prevent that, it isn't the worst thing in the world. The reason why this story is so extremely important is to show an insane double standard; that women are basically "immune" to legal ramifications, whereas men could lose several years off their life for the same action. And the worst part isn't that this is the way things are, the worst thing is that people think this is okay. The exploitation of men is one thing; but little boys cannot possibly be held to these standards. Whatever gender they are, the fact that they're just children is far more relevant. | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
Also three girls can force sex on one guy just like three guys can to one girl. The only difference is the first one is seen as a "harmless prank" while the other one is the guys become registered sex offenders. | ||
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Nanoko
Canada45 Posts
On June 06 2011 03:33 esperanto wrote: Whao... edit your post cause your language clearly deserves a ban. I try not to overreact to your language against me and just state my case. Please do not view this in black and white only and please see the specific situation. (Sure a woman raping a man is possible in generell) I am a law student myself and I know the defenitions of rape. Thank you. The only thing I said was you cant simply compare this to a situation where the roles would be reverse. And thats for a reason. The psychological trauma is a diffrent one. If you look at this specific situations the possibilitys are diffrent, the whole setup in a front yard, all these things) If I were a judge deciding if this crime had a sexual component just the way a major sex crime has, I would come to a diffrent conclusion. If the roles would be reversed I wouldnt be sure. Cause even if the guys dont have a rape-intention (like these girls clearly didnt, cause they've seen it as a prank), at least from the victims point of view it more likely (again not everytime, not 100% just more likely) has another dimension. Btw. I never said what these girls did wasnt a malicious assault (dont know the correct english law terms). Please read more carefully next time. "Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank" So now you're saying that calling it a cruel prank is the same as a malicious assault is ridiculous, completely. There is no difference in the psychological trauma that a boy or girl would suffer from this event, you're an eleven year old, a bunch of older kids come up to you force you, violently, to the ground and strip you naked. See what I did there? Regardless of gender sounds Pretty Traumatic right? you're exemplifying the Gender-Double Standards that other people have shown in this forum already, furthermore you're saying that since the girls saw at as a prank we should as well? So, if i do the exact same thing, to an age proportionate person, I can say it was just a prank and get off with maybe a misdemeanor right?. Please, if you're indeed a law student, Please, just think about this for a moment. when you can see your own Gender-double standard logic respond, I am not the one seeing things in black and white here, could the girls have raped him? Yes, could guys have raped a girl in the exact same situation? yes, are both parties equally likely too? Yes, Are girls going to be more psychologically traumatized from this event (without being raped) then a boy is? No, if she was raped? and the boy was also raped? also No. Rape is Rape no matter who does it to who. | ||
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Lucidx
United States122 Posts
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Greek820
Canada210 Posts
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Yosho
585 Posts
On June 06 2011 04:30 Lucidx wrote: I feel like the mother had the perfect response. America needs more parents like her. Let's further drop your country down the toilet, you lead. | ||
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teekesselchen
Germany886 Posts
I mean, what's the essence of all of this? That there are some rude, uneducated, stupid girls out there that become agressive when beeing in a pack? That's common knowledge, this is just an example of it. Not much to discuss imo. | ||
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ePBuckets
Canada207 Posts
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Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
On June 05 2011 14:46 vetinari wrote: 3 14 year old boys forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old girl, and they go on the sex offenders register. 3 14 year old girls forcibly restrain and remove the clothes of an 11 year old boy, and its a harmless prank that maybe got a little bit out of hand. Good point. | ||
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
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anch
United States5457 Posts
BAMF. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On June 06 2011 03:58 King[Neikos] wrote: If a law exist against it you could do it, crime is a crime, and it warrants punishment from the law that is there to prevent that from happening and to punish (sorry for being redundant) the individuals that do it. Their kids? thats all? so, what if they shot at someone? their kids so its okay? and dont come saying its a different matter, its a crime, law exist, law should be enforced and criminals judged. What if they were all grown ups, 20-30 years, wouldnt it be a crime? wouldnt the victim take it to the court? why is it different just because "they are kids". Enlighten me on how justice helps people be letting them walk off like they hadnt do anything. Are you seriously saying that shooting someone and taking off someones clothes is the same thing, and should deserve the same punishment? Haha you can't get much action with the ladies I guess ^^ It is different because kids have worse judgement, and should be excused in a bigger extent. Are you serious? "Why is it different because they're kids [...] instead of being 20-30". This has gotta be the most fucking stupid question /statement in the entire thread. Alot of people do stupid shit when they're kids that they would never do when they get older. | ||
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supdubdup
United States916 Posts
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
On June 06 2011 03:52 Kazius wrote: If it was two 15 year old boys stripping an 11 year old girl and posting it on youtube, reactions would be different. Throw the girls in jail for kiddie porn laws. Women want to be equal, right? pretty much this. | ||
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esperanto
Germany357 Posts
On June 06 2011 04:20 Nanoko wrote: "Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank" So now you're saying that calling it a cruel prank is the same as a malicious assault is ridiculous, completely. There is no difference in the psychological trauma that a boy or girl would suffer from this event, you're an eleven year old, a bunch of older kids come up to you force you, violently, to the ground and strip you naked. See what I did there? Regardless of gender sounds Pretty Traumatic right? you're exemplifying the Gender-Double Standards that other people have shown in this forum already, furthermore you're saying that since the girls saw at as a prank we should as well? So, if i do the exact same thing, to an age proportionate person, I can say it was just a prank and get off with maybe a misdemeanor right?. Please, if you're indeed a law student, Please, just think about this for a moment. when you can see you're own Gender-double standard logic respond, I am not the one seeing things in black and white here, could the girls have raped him? Yes, could guys have raped a girl in the exact same situation? yes, are both parties equally likely too? Yes, Are girls going to be more psychologically traumatized from this event (without being raped) then a boy is? No, if she was raped? and the boy was also raped? also No. Rape is Rape no matter who does it to who. I never said a cruel prank cant be a crime. What these girls did can be charged by law. Please read, I never denied that. And yes you are right. If the 100% exact same situation with the exact same intentions and defenselessness would have happened with reversed genders it would be gender-double standard logic to see it diffrently. But in fact you cant have exact 100% the same situation. My post was a reaction to post like "usually when boys do this they get charged for rape" or "so girls can rape and get away with it, unfair...". Cause usually when there are rape charges on similar cases with males beeing the aggressor you actually have an other level of aggression, force, sexual intention or trauma most of the times. (again not always, not 100%, I am just saying most of the times) Sure this boy maybe will have a trauma from the emberrasment, from the feeling of beeing helpless, defenseless. But an actually assault with where a sexual motivation is involved is not the same, it is on an other level. | ||
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On June 06 2011 04:47 Eknoid4 wrote: no 11 year olds should be put through the current legal system. Their parents should face charges if charges are pressed. so if a 11 year old murders someone they shouldn't be put through or if the girls raped the boy? People shouldn't do stuff like this and not expect legal action to be taken. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On June 06 2011 03:52 Kazius wrote: If it was two 15 year old boys stripping an 11 year old girl and posting it on youtube, reactions would be different. Throw the girls in jail for kiddie porn laws. Women want to be equal, right? I agree. | ||
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