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Edit: Sorry wrong thread.
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On June 06 2011 03:59 AraMoOse wrote:
Have you considered the possibility that the kid might have begged his mother not to press charges? I'm sure you would take it as a betrayal and that's your business, but why do you think the kid necessarily thinks like you? I'm not saying he doesn't, I'm saying you don't know and you're judging his mother based on your perspective.
We are in fact talking about the same as I am taking the boys wellbeing into account as well. I am simply assuming that prosecuting the girls for their crimes is an important part of the processing of such an event. You on the other hand assume that it will have an opposite effect and that the boy possibly has asked her mother not to press charges. Either of us could be right or wrong about this though.
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On June 06 2011 03:52 Kazius wrote:
If it was two 15 year old boys stripping an 11 year old girl and posting it on youtube, reactions would be different. Throw the girls in jail for kiddie porn laws.
Women want to be equal, right?
They want everything to be equal, everything! But when the check comes, where are they?!
- George Costanza
(thought that would be funny here)
Yeah, it is kind of sad that nothing is being done about this. They couldn't possibly NOT know that what they were doing was wrong. Hard to say what the punishment should be, though.
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Posting in this thread won't change the mother's mind.
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On June 06 2011 04:50 esperanto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 04:20 Nanoko wrote:On June 06 2011 03:33 esperanto wrote:On June 06 2011 03:11 Nanoko wrote:On June 06 2011 02:10 esperanto wrote:
This is a cruel story but you absolutly cant compare that to if the gender were opposite.
With males doing this there would be a sexual intention behind it, that gives the thing another dimension.
Besides the feelings and the possible trauma is completely diffrent. A girl in that case is would be defenseless in case the boys would force sex. A total violation of body and soul.
14 year old girls doing this not even wont (in most cases) have the intention to do this, they actually wont physically not be able to force sex of this boy.
Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank. Please dont compare that.
I remember when i was younger at one of my first partys (about 13 years old) some girls pulled down the pants of a boy while he was dancing, he was so embarrassed he started crying and went home. Sure what the girls did here is more cruel but still closer to a prank than to a major sex-crime. you're clearly an idiot, Women can FORCE men to have sex with them even if the guy doesn't "Get hard" Don't say something is fucking impossible when it's not. In this particular case could they rape him? yes very likely, "any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person." That is the definition of Rape, because you clearly didn't know, they could've sat on his face and forced him basically to "go down" on them, I'll use slang so your moronic brain can comprehend what I'm saying. They're school kids right? they have writing utensils? pencils, pens?, markers? highlighters? Anal rape with one of those, rubber bands? can restrict blood flow to the penis and FORCE it to become hard..Don't be a fucking idiot please. Also So it's more likely that if a guy at 14 does this to a girl he wants to rape her? What the fuck. Are you under the impression that girls can't get just as horny as guys? what girls won't commit a gang rape like this because why? "it's a prank" it's not a fucking prank, it's a fucking malicious assault committed by a bunch of girls. They COULD ave raped him just like three 14 year old boys COULD have raped an 11 year old girl, are we to believe that 14 year old boys are just fucking RAPISTS waiting for a place to strike? honestly, going by a mix of logic here we can just say "No they just wanted to humiliate and embarrass her" it was "Just a prank". It was not a prank, if the roles were reversed boys would be punished more harshly and unfairly, just because that's true doesn't mean it's ok to say that if it WERE 14 year old boys they're more likely to fucking rape the girl in that case. Whao... edit your post cause your language clearly deserves a ban. I try not to overreact to your language against me and just state my case. Please do not view this in black and white only and please see the specific situation. (Sure a woman raping a man is possible in generell) I am a law student myself and I know the defenitions of rape. Thank you. The only thing I said was you cant simply compare this to a situation where the roles would be reverse. And thats for a reason. The psychological trauma is a diffrent one. If you look at this specific situations the possibilitys are diffrent, the whole setup in a front yard, all these things) If I were a judge deciding if this crime had a sexual component just the way a major sex crime has, I would come to a diffrent conclusion. If the roles would be reversed I wouldnt be sure. Cause even if the guys dont have a rape-intention (like these girls clearly didnt, cause they've seen it as a prank), at least from the victims point of view it more likely (again not everytime, not 100% just more likely) has another dimension. Btw. I never said what these girls did wasnt a malicious assault (dont know the correct english law terms). Please read more carefully next time. "Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank" So now you're saying that calling it a cruel prank is the same as a malicious assault is ridiculous, completely. There is no difference in the psychological trauma that a boy or girl would suffer from this event, you're an eleven year old, a bunch of older kids come up to you force you, violently, to the ground and strip you naked. See what I did there? Regardless of gender sounds Pretty Traumatic right? you're exemplifying the Gender-Double Standards that other people have shown in this forum already, furthermore you're saying that since the girls saw at as a prank we should as well? So, if i do the exact same thing, to an age proportionate person, I can say it was just a prank and get off with maybe a misdemeanor right?. Please, if you're indeed a law student, Please, just think about this for a moment. when you can see you're own Gender-double standard logic respond, I am not the one seeing things in black and white here, could the girls have raped him? Yes, could guys have raped a girl in the exact same situation? yes, are both parties equally likely too? Yes, Are girls going to be more psychologically traumatized from this event (without being raped) then a boy is? No, if she was raped? and the boy was also raped? also No. Rape is Rape no matter who does it to who. I never said a cruel prank cant be a crime. What these girls did can be charged by law. Please read, I never denied that. And yes you are right. If the 100% exact same situation with the exact same intentions and defenselessness would have happened with reversed genders it would be gender-double standard logic to see it diffrently. But in fact you cant have exact 100% the same situation. My post was a reaction to post like "usually when boys do this they get charged for rape" or "so girls can rape and get away with it, unfair...". Cause usually when there are rape charges on similar cases with males beeing the aggressor you actually have an other level of aggression, force, sexual intention or trauma most of the times. (again not always, not 100%, I am just saying most of the times) Sure this boy maybe will have a trauma from the emberrasment, from the feeling of beeing helpless, defenseless. But an actually assault with where a sexual motivation is involved is not the same, it is on an other level.
No one is arguing that assault with sexual motivation is the same as simple assault, but you seem to imply that if boys were doing this to a girl there would be sexual motivation while this isn't the case for girls. I have no reason to believe this and this is a clear example of the double standard that people are discussing in this thread.
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On June 06 2011 04:51 RoosterSamurai wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 03:52 Kazius wrote:
If it was two 15 year old boys stripping an 11 year old girl and posting it on youtube, reactions would be different. Throw the girls in jail for kiddie porn laws.
Women want to be equal, right? I agree.
Completely agree. Disgusting double standards.... I call on the police to smack charges of child porn distribution against these girls. Time to treat everyone equally, plain and simple.
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I echoe the sentiments of every person saying "If this was 2 boys stripping a 11 year old girl this would be completely different."
And thats completely 100% true.
Guarenteed the boys would be registered as sex offenders for life. I would bet ANYTHING on that.
This just shows what is completely wrong in our culture, the fact that something like this is even possible to happen... wtf... i have never been so disgusted in my entire life with human beings.. like seriously.
This kid is going to be in jail/therapy/psych ward for the rest of his life. Stuff like this completely ruins lives and the girls who potentially ruined the life of this kid deserve to have it reciprocated with sex offender titles for the rest of their lives.
I dont understand this thread at all and people who justify the girls actions or the fact that they arent being charged.
"well when ur 13 you dont understand consequences" So if these 13 yr old girls killed an 11 yr old boy, should they not be charged? They are 13 and dont understand the consequences.
WTF are the girls parents? Why arent they the ones being interviewed "so why is your child such a terrible person?" meh this is the most disgusting/disturbing thing i have seen on TL.net yet and the fact that the girls aren't being punished at all is AMAZING and mind-blowing.
Because if I read 3 teenage boys attacked and stripped 11 yr old girl they would already be in custody. Disgusting and amazing...
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On June 06 2011 04:58 DisneylandSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 03:59 AraMoOse wrote:
Have you considered the possibility that the kid might have begged his mother not to press charges? I'm sure you would take it as a betrayal and that's your business, but why do you think the kid necessarily thinks like you? I'm not saying he doesn't, I'm saying you don't know and you're judging his mother based on your perspective. We are in fact talking about the same as I am taking the boys wellbeing into account as well. I am simply assuming that prosecuting the girls for their crimes is an important part of the processing of such an event. You on the other hand assume that it will have an opposite effect and that the boy possibly has asked her mother not to press charges. Either of us could be right or wrong about this though.
Agreed, let us rejoice and partake in the eating of cookies.
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On June 06 2011 05:02 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 04:50 esperanto wrote:On June 06 2011 04:20 Nanoko wrote:On June 06 2011 03:33 esperanto wrote:On June 06 2011 03:11 Nanoko wrote:On June 06 2011 02:10 esperanto wrote:
This is a cruel story but you absolutly cant compare that to if the gender were opposite.
With males doing this there would be a sexual intention behind it, that gives the thing another dimension.
Besides the feelings and the possible trauma is completely diffrent. A girl in that case is would be defenseless in case the boys would force sex. A total violation of body and soul.
14 year old girls doing this not even wont (in most cases) have the intention to do this, they actually wont physically not be able to force sex of this boy.
Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank. Please dont compare that.
I remember when i was younger at one of my first partys (about 13 years old) some girls pulled down the pants of a boy while he was dancing, he was so embarrassed he started crying and went home. Sure what the girls did here is more cruel but still closer to a prank than to a major sex-crime. you're clearly an idiot, Women can FORCE men to have sex with them even if the guy doesn't "Get hard" Don't say something is fucking impossible when it's not. In this particular case could they rape him? yes very likely, "any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person." That is the definition of Rape, because you clearly didn't know, they could've sat on his face and forced him basically to "go down" on them, I'll use slang so your moronic brain can comprehend what I'm saying. They're school kids right? they have writing utensils? pencils, pens?, markers? highlighters? Anal rape with one of those, rubber bands? can restrict blood flow to the penis and FORCE it to become hard..Don't be a fucking idiot please. Also So it's more likely that if a guy at 14 does this to a girl he wants to rape her? What the fuck. Are you under the impression that girls can't get just as horny as guys? what girls won't commit a gang rape like this because why? "it's a prank" it's not a fucking prank, it's a fucking malicious assault committed by a bunch of girls. They COULD ave raped him just like three 14 year old boys COULD have raped an 11 year old girl, are we to believe that 14 year old boys are just fucking RAPISTS waiting for a place to strike? honestly, going by a mix of logic here we can just say "No they just wanted to humiliate and embarrass her" it was "Just a prank". It was not a prank, if the roles were reversed boys would be punished more harshly and unfairly, just because that's true doesn't mean it's ok to say that if it WERE 14 year old boys they're more likely to fucking rape the girl in that case. Whao... edit your post cause your language clearly deserves a ban. I try not to overreact to your language against me and just state my case. Please do not view this in black and white only and please see the specific situation. (Sure a woman raping a man is possible in generell) I am a law student myself and I know the defenitions of rape. Thank you. The only thing I said was you cant simply compare this to a situation where the roles would be reverse. And thats for a reason. The psychological trauma is a diffrent one. If you look at this specific situations the possibilitys are diffrent, the whole setup in a front yard, all these things) If I were a judge deciding if this crime had a sexual component just the way a major sex crime has, I would come to a diffrent conclusion. If the roles would be reversed I wouldnt be sure. Cause even if the guys dont have a rape-intention (like these girls clearly didnt, cause they've seen it as a prank), at least from the victims point of view it more likely (again not everytime, not 100% just more likely) has another dimension. Btw. I never said what these girls did wasnt a malicious assault (dont know the correct english law terms). Please read more carefully next time. "Beeing in the situation where someone else with a sexual intention can force sex with you is completely diffrent than a cruel emberrasing prank" So now you're saying that calling it a cruel prank is the same as a malicious assault is ridiculous, completely. There is no difference in the psychological trauma that a boy or girl would suffer from this event, you're an eleven year old, a bunch of older kids come up to you force you, violently, to the ground and strip you naked. See what I did there? Regardless of gender sounds Pretty Traumatic right? you're exemplifying the Gender-Double Standards that other people have shown in this forum already, furthermore you're saying that since the girls saw at as a prank we should as well? So, if i do the exact same thing, to an age proportionate person, I can say it was just a prank and get off with maybe a misdemeanor right?. Please, if you're indeed a law student, Please, just think about this for a moment. when you can see you're own Gender-double standard logic respond, I am not the one seeing things in black and white here, could the girls have raped him? Yes, could guys have raped a girl in the exact same situation? yes, are both parties equally likely too? Yes, Are girls going to be more psychologically traumatized from this event (without being raped) then a boy is? No, if she was raped? and the boy was also raped? also No. Rape is Rape no matter who does it to who. I never said a cruel prank cant be a crime. What these girls did can be charged by law. Please read, I never denied that. And yes you are right. If the 100% exact same situation with the exact same intentions and defenselessness would have happened with reversed genders it would be gender-double standard logic to see it diffrently. But in fact you cant have exact 100% the same situation. My post was a reaction to post like "usually when boys do this they get charged for rape" or "so girls can rape and get away with it, unfair...". Cause usually when there are rape charges on similar cases with males beeing the aggressor you actually have an other level of aggression, force, sexual intention or trauma most of the times. (again not always, not 100%, I am just saying most of the times) Sure this boy maybe will have a trauma from the emberrasment, from the feeling of beeing helpless, defenseless. But an actually assault with where a sexual motivation is involved is not the same, it is on an other level. No one is arguing that assault with sexual motivation is the same as simple assault, but you seem to imply that if boys were doing this to a girl there would be sexual motivation while this isn't the case for girls. I have no reason to believe this and this is a clear example of the double standard that people are discussing in this thread.
This exactly, calling it a "cruel Prank" is Not thinking of it as a crime, a prank is something funny, sometimes humiliating, rarely ever is it a violent assault. you can't call murder a prank, don't call an assault a prank either please. assault with sexual motivation is indeed different, but guess what just because they're guys doesn't automatically make an assault sexually motivated, and you know what? Most rape charges require the victim to have Actually Been Raped, as in physical evidence, otherwise if a guy assaults a girl, or grabs onto her shirt and it rips off while she's trying to get away, they could charge them with rape as well as assault...like...seriously
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This honestly opens up a can of worms in that the girls would've gotten off with very light charges as stated. If the roles ever do change it is 3 boys and a younger girl the boys lawyer can point back to this case and the charges that may have been lain. I 'm not sure the exact legalities if this case doesn't go to court but still I'd be pretty pissed if someone did this to me now I wouldn't give a shit but when i was 11 like fuck that shit would suck.
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I emailed the mayor ( mayorhenderson@cityftmyers.com ) to let him know I am disgusted with the fact these girls are allowed to create and distribute child porn.
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The boy is scarred for life, those girls deserve heavy punishment tbh.
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at least one week in jail and they will never do it again
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Isn't 14 around the time girls have to be taught to be safe because of sexual predators in the world?
What makes them think this was ok? The boy was 11 years old.
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Unreal. I read about it, and didn't think much of it other than "well it's quite the double standard that girls can get away with that but boys would be sent to juvie and possibly added to the sex offenders registry." After seeing the video, I'm astonished the mother is too stupid to press charges. Her kid was being restrained, choked, and stripped, and she thinks that it's a bit of fun gone too far??
The worst part is the double standard. Gender equality is of course a touchy issue. I'll just say I think it's deeply wrong that girls and women have reached a point socially where they demand and receive equal rights, independence, and freedom, yet are still considered victims in cases like this. That's all I'll say.
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On June 06 2011 05:31 gold_ wrote:
I emailed the mayor ( mayorhenderson@cityftmyers.com ) to let him know I am disgusted with the fact these girls are allowed to create and distribute child porn.
Good thinking. Thank you for posting the E-mail.
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On June 06 2011 05:39 Albrithe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 05:31 gold_ wrote:
I emailed the mayor ( mayorhenderson@cityftmyers.com ) to let him know I am disgusted with the fact these girls are allowed to create and distribute child porn. Good thinking. Thank you for posting the E-mail.
No problem, I hope others email him too.
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On June 06 2011 04:59 Voltaire wrote:
Posting in this thread won't change the mother's mind.
blasphemy!
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I will be emailing him today.
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I see this as a harsh prank by the girls, not a legal matter. Also, I think we have to consider that maybe the kid secretly liked this. The video aside, it's mostly playing around involving close physical contact with girls ...
The reason that people would react differently if it was a bunch of boys would only be due to rationalizations in regards to the sexual aspect of it. People interpret behaviour, consider what it might lead to, and act preventatively. Perhaps this might sometimes lead to an overreaction, but that doesn't mean that you should also overreact to a single instance of bullying by girls in the name of equality. As it is, it was a bunch of young kids acting immaturely and getting physical about it. Obviously, the school/parents will react to avoid things escalating, but as such there is nothing outrageous about the interaction.
I don't know if the comments in this thread about child porn are serious. However, just because someone underage is filmed nude, does not in any way make it child porn. Nudity is the most natural thing in the world. Child porn is about exploitation of children and the often sexualized depiction of such.
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