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Kickboxer
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Slovenia1308 Posts
May 20 2011 18:31 GMT
#21
This sounds like the right move if they absolve them of all the legal responsibilities an actual parent has. I'd say every kid wants to know whose blood he's carrying and passing on. No matter how you look at it that person is a pretty big part of who you are, especially if you're happy with your appearance and potential.
InsaniaK
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden120 Posts
May 20 2011 18:33 GMT
#22
On May 21 2011 03:18 Greatness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 03:13 ZaplinG wrote:
I'm excited to see where this thread goes.

Might be a long and hard discussion we have ahead of us.

I hope so as well, I'm looking forward to some solid arguments.
Frigo
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary1023 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 18:35:11
May 20 2011 18:35 GMT
#23
Lawyers for Olivia Pratten had argued that the existing rules discriminated against the children of sperm donors, and the court ruled in Olivia Pratten's favour on Thursday by striking down a section of the B.C. Adoption Act.

By the same logic sperm donors should pay child support as well. Which is absurd.
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psychopat
Profile Joined October 2009
Canada417 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 18:37:52
May 20 2011 18:36 GMT
#24
On May 21 2011 03:08 Mikilatov wrote:
What I've never understood is why people seem to care who their biological parents are?

If I found out my father wasn't my real father, I'd say "No, he's my real father, because he raised me and took care of me and still cares for me to this day." Who the hell cares where the sperm came from. There's a difference between a sperm donor and a DAD.

I guess maybe I'd have to be put in that position to understand, but honestly, I don't think I'd give two shits if I didn't know my 'biological' father, if he was just a random sperm donor.


There are a lot of things where knowing if there's a history of (whatever hereditary illness/medical issue) in the family is important. I'd personally want to know just for that alone. On everything else, I agree with you.

If the guy was donating for money, he clearly didn't want to cultivate a relationship with the potential tons of offspring it might generate...

edit: Oh, and if I were to ever consider donating, having my identity revealed would be a major obstacle to that. It would push me right back into the "I don't want to donate" side of the coin.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 18:38:33
May 20 2011 18:37 GMT
#25
That's another thing... Would such legislation be retroactive? Does this mean that people who donated sperm thinking it was anonymous are now having these records revealed? That's pretty fucked up, if you ask me. If the legislation is going to change, the least they can do is at least make it only count for future donations, so those who donated under the promise of anonymity aren't hung out to dry.
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Naphal
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany2099 Posts
May 20 2011 18:40 GMT
#26
i tried to find a youtubeclip but failed... you remember the simpsons episode where barney leaves the donation center and all children there "BURP" like he does? sure athletes and doctors, athletes and doctors xD...
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
May 20 2011 18:44 GMT
#27
On May 21 2011 03:37 Mikilatov wrote:
That's another thing... Would such legislation be retroactive? Does this mean that people who donated sperm thinking it was anonymous are now having these records revealed? That's pretty fucked up, if you ask me. If the legislation is going to change, the least they can do is at least make it only count for future donations, so those who donated under the promise of anonymity aren't hung out to dry.


It's not legislation, it's a court decision. Sure, they had a contract, but it's unenforcable, because you can't sign away the child's right to know his biological parents.

You can argue that the right simply doesn't exist, but if it does a contract between two other persons won't change it.
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Miiike
Profile Joined July 2010
United States141 Posts
May 20 2011 18:44 GMT
#28
I actually do this (long story how it came about, mostly my gf's idea) and the only real negative about it that I could think of was the potential of something like this happening in the future. As an anonymous donor, I can decide or not to respond to any inquiries about myself. The Cryobank I go to would act as a middleman for the initiating of any contact between myself and future kids.

I decided the benefits (cash in hand + helping out families in need) outweigh the small probability that someone sues (the right to which they give up when they accept services by the cryobank).

If anyone has any questions, I'd gladly answer them. This seems to be one of those things that people think "hell yeah i'd jerk off for money" but not many actually look into. There's a long process of genetic and blood testing and all that info is on your anonymous profile that the recipient looks at, so trying to get more info than what they already have would probably be unnecessary if you actually donate at a fully legit cryobank.
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NuKedUFirst
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada3139 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 18:47:59
May 20 2011 18:47 GMT
#29
On May 21 2011 03:44 Miiike wrote:
I actually do this (long story how it came about, mostly my gf's idea) and the only real negative about it that I could think of was the potential of something like this happening in the future. As an anonymous donor, I can decide or not to respond to any inquiries about myself. The Cryobank I go to would act as a middleman for the initiating of any contact between myself and future kids.

I decided the benefits (cash in hand + helping out families in need) outweigh the small probability that someone sues (the right to which they give up when they accept services by the cryobank).

If anyone has any questions, I'd gladly answer them. This seems to be one of those things that people think "hell yeah i'd jerk off for money" but not many actually look into. There's a long process of genetic and blood testing and all that info is on your anonymous profile that the recipient looks at, so trying to get more info than what they already have would probably be unnecessary if you actually donate at a fully legit cryobank.


How much do you make per load?

What do you think of the future "half yous" finding out who you are? Any plans on stopping donation if they take away anonymity?
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
May 20 2011 18:54 GMT
#30
On May 21 2011 03:44 Miiike wrote:
I actually do this (long story how it came about, mostly my gf's idea) and the only real negative about it that I could think of was the potential of something like this happening in the future. As an anonymous donor, I can decide or not to respond to any inquiries about myself. The Cryobank I go to would act as a middleman for the initiating of any contact between myself and future kids.

I decided the benefits (cash in hand + helping out families in need) outweigh the small probability that someone sues (the right to which they give up when they accept services by the cryobank).

If anyone has any questions, I'd gladly answer them. This seems to be one of those things that people think "hell yeah i'd jerk off for money" but not many actually look into. There's a long process of genetic and blood testing and all that info is on your anonymous profile that the recipient looks at, so trying to get more info than what they already have would probably be unnecessary if you actually donate at a fully legit cryobank.

Sort of like blood donation? Are there rules like not being allowed to be a homosexual or have changed sex partner in the last 6 months (like there is in Sweded).
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Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
May 20 2011 18:56 GMT
#31
On May 21 2011 03:08 Mikilatov wrote:
What I've never understood is why people seem to care who their biological parents are?

If I found out my father wasn't my real father, I'd say "No, he's my real father, because he raised me and took care of me and still cares for me to this day." Who the hell cares where the sperm came from. There's a difference between a sperm donor and a DAD.

I guess maybe I'd have to be put in that position to understand, but honestly, I don't think I'd give two shits if I didn't know my 'biological' father, if he was just a random sperm donor.


There may be medical reasons to know, genetic history can be very important.
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Roeder
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark735 Posts
May 20 2011 18:56 GMT
#32
I completely see this as help for the unlucky couple, that can't have a child together.
However, if it was unpaid it would just be bizarre.
I jizz in a cup and deliver to a bank for fun.


Also; The guy delivering in a bank is only the biological father. He should have no attachments to either the bank nor the couple. He's only contributing.
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Miiike
Profile Joined July 2010
United States141 Posts
May 20 2011 19:06 GMT
#33
On May 21 2011 03:47 NuKedUFirst wrote:
How much do you make per load?

What do you think of the future "half yous" finding out who you are? Any plans on stopping donation if they take away anonymity?


I get $100 per donation.

After reviewing everything before becoming a qualified anonymous donor, any contact between myself and children is only allowed if I choose to do so, so I'm not worried about that happening. If I have a change of heart in the future, and in 18 years they ask the cryobank -- I can respond to them if I want.

If it wan't anonymous, I wouldn't do it.

In response to Eppa!: Yeah there were questions in screening (the very first part of the process) in regards to sexual history and partners. If I were to hypothetically start sleeping around (I'm in a relationship), I'd have tokeep them updated.
gdoOso.448 | LoL NA: Osogrande | DotA 2: GDO.Oso
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
May 20 2011 19:19 GMT
#34
If there was no anonymity I would never donate.

This only hurts the individuals that want to have children and can't.

Although I doubt there is a shortage of willing donors so maybe it won't really impact them at all.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 20 2011 19:25 GMT
#35
On May 21 2011 03:36 psychopat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 03:08 Mikilatov wrote:
What I've never understood is why people seem to care who their biological parents are?

If I found out my father wasn't my real father, I'd say "No, he's my real father, because he raised me and took care of me and still cares for me to this day." Who the hell cares where the sperm came from. There's a difference between a sperm donor and a DAD.

I guess maybe I'd have to be put in that position to understand, but honestly, I don't think I'd give two shits if I didn't know my 'biological' father, if he was just a random sperm donor.


There are a lot of things where knowing if there's a history of (whatever hereditary illness/medical issue) in the family is important. I'd personally want to know just for that alone. On everything else, I agree with you.

If the guy was donating for money, he clearly didn't want to cultivate a relationship with the potential tons of offspring it might generate...

edit: Oh, and if I were to ever consider donating, having my identity revealed would be a major obstacle to that. It would push me right back into the "I don't want to donate" side of the coin.


I was going to post just this.

All in all, I agree with the court's decision.
SolHeiM
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden1264 Posts
May 20 2011 19:28 GMT
#36
Why can't they just allow the biological parent to be called "John Doe" and just have his medical history revealed to the parents of the child that resulted from said donation?

I don't understand why they need to know the identity of the person, since all that really matters is medical history.
Kenderson
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada280 Posts
May 20 2011 19:32 GMT
#37
Other than curiosity and history of disease I don't see the point.

As for making a donation, I've thought about it and I'm not sure that I could do it. There's just something I don't like about the idea of giving away my top notch genetic material to strangers lol. It seems odd even to me that I feel this way because I tend to see everything as relatively meaningless. It's hard to explain, maybe it's selfishness or extreme overprotectiveness lol Idk. It just doesn't feel right. Until I thought about it for a while and realized I felt this way, my overall opinion was "Awesome! You can get paid to whack off? Count me in!" lol
"Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage." -Confucious
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
May 20 2011 19:33 GMT
#38
I feel like sperm banks probably take a detailed history and perform a physical before taking any sperm. I'm not sure if they do... but it is definately something they should be doing...
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
May 20 2011 19:35 GMT
#39
On May 21 2011 04:32 Kenderson wrote:
Other than curiosity and history of disease I don't see the point.

As for making a donation, I've thought about it and I'm not sure that I could do it. There's just something I don't like about the idea of giving away my top notch genetic material to strangers lol. It seems odd even to me that I feel this way because I tend to see everything as relatively meaningless. It's hard to explain, maybe it's selfishness or extreme overprotectiveness lol Idk. It just doesn't feel right. Until I thought about it for a while and realized I felt this way, my overall opinion was "Awesome! You can get paid to whack off? Count me in!" lol

That's the exact opposite of what top notch genetic material is.
Miiike
Profile Joined July 2010
United States141 Posts
May 20 2011 19:37 GMT
#40
On May 21 2011 04:33 DoomsVille wrote:
I feel like sperm banks probably take a detailed history and perform a physical before taking any sperm. I'm not sure if they do... but it is definately something they should be doing...

The process takes months and involves physicals, information on every extended family member of yours (parents/siblings/grandparents/aunts and uncles/cousins), and even genetic testing. I actually have a printout of my karyotype at home from the process. I assure you that the recieving family has intimate knowledge of the donor they're choosing, at least in my experience.
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