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Sweden33719 Posts
On May 21 2011 03:20 EnOmy wrote:
Tough. The child does have a right to know but you're right when you say sperm donation is more of a financial transaction then anything else
Assuming they donated on the condition of anonymity, this is a pretty huge betrayal, and honestly I could not give any less of a fuck about the 'childs right to know' - his biological father had NOTHING to do with his upbringing.
Disclose genetical problems? Yes, sure. Anything else? Fuck no.
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On May 21 2011 22:15 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 03:20 EnOmy wrote:
Tough. The child does have a right to know but you're right when you say sperm donation is more of a financial transaction then anything else Assuming they donated on the condition of anonymity, this is a pretty huge betrayal, and honestly I could not give any less of a fuck about the 'childs right to know' - his biological father had NOTHING to do with his upbringing. Disclose genetical problems? Yes, sure. Anything else? Fuck no.
Wow you're awesome even when you're not owning at starcraft :D
jk I already knew that <3
EDIT: But yes I see no need for the child to know, the biological father's role ends with the donation and there is no need for the child to know other than curiosity (or aforementioned genetics).
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On May 21 2011 03:56 Roeder wrote:
I completely see this as help for the unlucky couple, that can't have a child together.
However, if it was unpaid it would just be bizarre.
I jizz in a cup and deliver to a bank for fun.
Well , it's unpaid in Australia.
And you have to register your name , adress and other details so your child can contact you when they turn 18.
Of course , now these clinics are having to import sperm from overseas because no man in their right mind would donate.
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Wasnt there a legal case in which the sperm donor was forced to pay child support a few years back?
And whatever happened to patient-doctor confidentiality? Or could anyone just open a sperm bank and peform fertilizations?
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On May 21 2011 22:43 Catch]22 wrote:
Wasnt there a legal case in which the sperm donor was forced to pay child support a few years back?
And whatever happened to patient-doctor confidentiality? Or could anyone just open a sperm bank and peform fertilizations?
That was a lesbian couple where one of them inseminated privately with an acquaintance' sperm. Later after the couple had separated the mother demanded child support from the father and got it of course. Being stupid does not make you free from legal obligations.
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On May 21 2011 23:02 Mowr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2011 22:43 Catch]22 wrote:
Wasnt there a legal case in which the sperm donor was forced to pay child support a few years back?
And whatever happened to patient-doctor confidentiality? Or could anyone just open a sperm bank and peform fertilizations? That was a lesbian couple where one of them inseminated privately with an acquaintance' sperm. Later after the couple had separated the mother demanded child support from the father and got it of course. Being stupid does not make you free from legal obligations.
Men need a rights movement , like feminism but for men.
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Overturned by the BC Appellate court.
"The Appeal Court ruled there is no legal right for offspring to know their past and providing such information would amount to state intrusion into many people's lives."
It ain't over yet, though, our intrepid hero still has the Canadian Supreme Court to take her fight to. Look how bummed out she is that she doesn't know who her biodad is:
![[image loading]](http://www.cbc.ca/news/yourcommunity/li-cp-pratten-584.jpg)
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Women will only use this as an excuse for alimony.
Basically once you have a baby you're set.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On November 29 2012 01:06 Tommie wrote:
Women will only use this as an excuse for alimony.
Basically once you have a baby you're set.
The misogyny is uncalled for. All that's needed to protect the donor is an addendum to the bill saying that the biological father is considered to have no responsibility for the child, and as such is treated as a complete stranger in any legal cases that may arise.
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I'm thinking that they are right with this. I didn't read the article, I just read the TLDR. If they were to implement this, would it only effect the sperm donors from now on, or are past donors forced to give up their anonymity.
I personally think that since the children can't obviously have a say, it should be up to the sperm donors whether or not they are going to donate. If they don't want to be found out by a kid in the future... then don't do it. As simple as that.
I do think it's fair enough if the sperm donor gets some kind of legal security that protects him in the future.
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On November 29 2012 01:06 Tommie wrote:
Women will only use this as an excuse for alimony.
Basically once you have a baby you're set.
I always find these sorts of remarks a bit ... insensitive because it's not limited to women and it is INCREDIBLY situational. You have no idea the circumstances that child was conceived under. Not all women who conceived through a donation are going to suddenly jump up and go 'YES FREE MONEY' if it passes.
When my parents divorced it was my dad who took custody of my sister and looked after her - my mother was too busy off enjoying her new life. My dad had so much problems with getting child support out of my mother. This is a gender reversal of the 'usual' situation where the parent 'saddled' with the children is the mother and they have to hassle the father for money which is what you NORMALLY hear. So I don't think we should tar all of a gender with the same brush of stereotypes when it comes to parenting.
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Cuckholding has been around forever. There are people who believe they are the REAL father, rearing a child from an unfaithful woman. There are estimates around 20% of children in a "happy marriage" are really from another guy via affair.
IN olden days, guys would sometimes cuckhold their wives, so they would have a child. Sperm donation is no different, and if people understood that, they'd stop going "where'd the cum come from!?".
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On November 29 2012 01:09 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 01:06 Tommie wrote:
Women will only use this as an excuse for alimony.
Basically once you have a baby you're set. The misogyny is uncalled for. All that's needed to protect the donor is an addendum to the bill saying that the biological father is considered to have no responsibility for the child, and as such is treated as a complete stranger in any legal cases that may arise.
60% of divorces are initiated by women. Women cheat and see nothing wrong with it, as long as their husbands dont find out, because they dont want to lose their station in life and "hurt their man with the knowledge".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1211104/Think-men-unfaithful-sex-A-study-shows-WOMEN-biggest-cheats--theyre-just-better-lying-it.html
I was clear from the start that I'd never leave my husband and family. Brian kept me sane during some of the tougher years of my marriage, but he was strictly for snatched afternoons off and the odd "working weekend" away,' she says.
Susan adds: 'We made each other laugh and our sex life was wonderful. But Brian was a permanent "man-child" - a great lover, but not the kind of man you'd marry.
'He was always overdrawn, always teetering on the edge of some crisis that he'd just laugh off. I never wanted to live with him.'
The affair ended amicably after eight years, with her husband none the wiser.
Cheating is never pretty, but lying about it doesn't necessarily make it worse. Often, our lies are meant to shield our partners and families from pain. We tell ourselves that if nobody knows, nobody gets hurt.
Dr Holmes says: 'Often, women keep the secret because they're much more conscious of how much there is to lose, and to protect the other people involved. If she has children, she'll be especially careful that they aren't hurt in any way by the knowledge of what she's doing.'
If you asked unfaithful men if they think their wives or girlfriends have had affairs, too, they will be shocked at the very thought
Like my friend Juliet, who has become so good at lying to her husband that she surprises even herself.
'Adrian and I have drifted apart, but he's a nice man, a good father. He doesn't deserve to be hurt, and I have no intention of letting my son grow up without his father.'
Biologically, too, women are programmed to be more careful about revealing an infidelity.
In purely evolutionary terms, men are programmed to sleep with lots of women, and women are programmed to attract and retain a quality mate.
Dr Holmes adds: 'She will be very canny and keep her options open until she decides which of the men she is going to choose.'
never that it's wrong, Or perhaps that it's wrong and she knows it and just doesn't care but to sate her appetite. You're naive if you think otherwise. I mean, did you miss that post about two lesbians abusing a man's trust for profit? Doesnt this "cheating wife" also look like someone who's trying to get her cake and eat it too, with deceit instead of honesty? Knowing her kids would call her a slut, and doing it anyway? Is she wrong for that behavior, or will you defend her as exploring her sexual needs? let's see that answer.
remember, she has the husband for money and a home, and the guy for sex for YEARS, in contrast to the entire point of marriage vows, legal AND religious, if she be a christian.
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Both genders are capable of being just as horrible as each other. Both are capable of cheating. Both are capable of leaving kids. Both are capable of taking the other through hell and back in a court of law. One or two examples of either being a jerk in a situation does not mean you have to tar the entire gender with the same brush so please stop posting that all women are evil and are just out to take men for all they are worth. There are plenty of instances of men doing this to women, but I do not assume all guys are going to beat me up and make me financially dependant on them.
Also please do not link to the Daily Mail as a reputable news source - it is entirely the opposite. It is a tabloid, sensasionalist gossip. 
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On November 29 2012 18:29 DameHixxi wrote:Both genders are capable of being just as horrible as each other. Both are capable of cheating. Both are capable of leaving kids. Both are capable of taking the other through hell and back in a court of law. One or two examples of either being a jerk in a situation does not mean you have to tar the entire gender with the same brush so please stop posting that all women are evil and are just out to take men for all they are worth. There are plenty of instances of men doing this to women, but I do not assume all guys are going to beat me up and make me financially dependant on them. Also please do not link to the Daily Mail as a reputable news source - it is entirely the opposite. It is a tabloid, sensasionalist gossip.
But only ONE side can profit from divorce. Apparently you don't know that pop culture tells us all men deserve mistreatment and suffering, and to be used. Women on the view laughing at male genital mutilation from a wife who poisoned her husband to subdue him first. legions of TV shows where men are fat, bumbling, idiots who need a smart sexy wife to save their asses continually, etc. Do your own research before you think men as a sex, not gender (gender is mental construct of sexual self, which is why people get "sex changes"), aren't broadly brushed by our culture.
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On November 29 2012 18:31 Arighttomorals wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 18:29 DameHixxi wrote:Both genders are capable of being just as horrible as each other. Both are capable of cheating. Both are capable of leaving kids. Both are capable of taking the other through hell and back in a court of law. One or two examples of either being a jerk in a situation does not mean you have to tar the entire gender with the same brush so please stop posting that all women are evil and are just out to take men for all they are worth. There are plenty of instances of men doing this to women, but I do not assume all guys are going to beat me up and make me financially dependant on them. Also please do not link to the Daily Mail as a reputable news source - it is entirely the opposite. It is a tabloid, sensasionalist gossip. But only ONE side can profit from divorce.
This is absolutely not true. My father and mother actually reversed who paid child support at times pending court decision, and this sort of thing happens all the time during long custody battles.
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When my parents divorced my dad got the house, kids and money. My mother was the one who left. She used her own personal savings to get her own place, buy her own furniture and live her own life.
So no, not in every case. This is why generalisations based on gender are bad.
Edit: You edited your post so I shall edit mine.
But only ONE side can profit from divorce. Apparently you don't know that pop culture tells us all men deserve mistreatment and suffering, and to be used. Women on the view laughing at male genital mutilation from a wife who poisoned her husband to subdue him first. legions of TV shows where men are fat, bumbling, idiots who need a smart sexy wife to save their asses continually, etc. Do your own research before you think men as a sex, not gender (gender is mental construct of sexual self, which is why people get "sex changes"), aren't broadly brushed by our culture.
Pop culture tells both men and women a lot of horrible things about themselves. There are plenty of shows and games and movies that throw both genders into awful stereotypes but I would like to think that people on TL know better than to buy into them. If you are upset by male stereotyping and know that it is wrong in mainstream media, did you ever think that perhaps the mainstream media also does exactly the same to women in articles like the one you linked?
We're not all horrid ladies seeking out men like missiles to impregnate us for the sole purpose of popping up nine months later going 'GOTCHA WALLET HAHA FOOLISH MAN'.
Also I never said 'sex'. I used the word gender. So I am not sure what you mean by that last statement.
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On November 29 2012 18:34 DameHixxi wrote:When my parents divorced my dad got the house, kids and money. My mother was the one who left. She used her own personal savings to get her own place, buy her own furniture and live her own life. So no, not in every case. This is why generalisations based on gender are bad.
Yes, the beauty of Pre-nups or states or countries where they can't take you for everything. You know in California, a woman can co-habit with a man for seven years, and once that minimum is reached, it doesn't matter if theyre married or not, she can legally demand alimony.
On November 29 2012 18:32 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 18:31 Arighttomorals wrote:On November 29 2012 18:29 DameHixxi wrote:Both genders are capable of being just as horrible as each other. Both are capable of cheating. Both are capable of leaving kids. Both are capable of taking the other through hell and back in a court of law. One or two examples of either being a jerk in a situation does not mean you have to tar the entire gender with the same brush so please stop posting that all women are evil and are just out to take men for all they are worth. There are plenty of instances of men doing this to women, but I do not assume all guys are going to beat me up and make me financially dependant on them. Also please do not link to the Daily Mail as a reputable news source - it is entirely the opposite. It is a tabloid, sensasionalist gossip. But only ONE side can profit from divorce. This is absolutely not true. My father and mother actually reversed who paid child support at times pending court decision, and this sort of thing happens all the time during long custody battles.
She was ultimately the one to profit, however. You say it was reversed occasionally, but it was a long custody battle, meaning she didn't want the process to stop.
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On November 29 2012 18:37 Arighttomorals wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 18:34 DameHixxi wrote:When my parents divorced my dad got the house, kids and money. My mother was the one who left. She used her own personal savings to get her own place, buy her own furniture and live her own life. So no, not in every case. This is why generalisations based on gender are bad. Yes, the beauty of Pre-nups or states or countries where they can't take you for everything. You know in California, a woman can co-habit with a man for seven years, and once that minimum is reached, it doesn't matter if theyre married or not, she can legally demand alimony. Show nested quote +On November 29 2012 18:32 farvacola wrote:On November 29 2012 18:31 Arighttomorals wrote:On November 29 2012 18:29 DameHixxi wrote:Both genders are capable of being just as horrible as each other. Both are capable of cheating. Both are capable of leaving kids. Both are capable of taking the other through hell and back in a court of law. One or two examples of either being a jerk in a situation does not mean you have to tar the entire gender with the same brush so please stop posting that all women are evil and are just out to take men for all they are worth. There are plenty of instances of men doing this to women, but I do not assume all guys are going to beat me up and make me financially dependant on them. Also please do not link to the Daily Mail as a reputable news source - it is entirely the opposite. It is a tabloid, sensasionalist gossip. But only ONE side can profit from divorce. This is absolutely not true. My father and mother actually reversed who paid child support at times pending court decision, and this sort of thing happens all the time during long custody battles. She was ultimately the one to profit, however. You say it was reversed occasionally, but it was a long custody battle, meaning she didn't want the process to stop.
LOL no not even close. In fact, my father at one point was making over 300k a year and yet had somehow gotten my mom forced to pay him child support. Don't presume to tell me the course of my own life in order to prove some inane point.
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