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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
On May 21 2011 03:08 Mikilatov wrote: What I've never understood is why people seem to care who their biological parents are? If I found out my father wasn't my real father, I'd say "No, he's my real father, because he raised me and took care of me and still cares for me to this day." Who the hell cares where the sperm came from. There's a difference between a sperm donor and a DAD. I guess maybe I'd have to be put in that position to understand, but honestly, I don't think I'd give two shits if I didn't know my 'biological' father, if he was just a random sperm donor. I'm 18 and this is exactly what happened to me a few months ago. My parents were very relieved that I wasn't mad and didn't want to look up who my biological father was. I always forget that my Dad isn't my biological father because I don't really care. When I do remember, it does shock me a bit, just because it is such a different way of thinking. | ||
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Naio
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On May 21 2011 06:00 VIB wrote: That's a step forward in human progress. Maybe in about 5 decades people will be choosing their kids based on the intelligence of the non-anonymous donor. Then maybe 5 decades after that people start realizing it's better to use intelligent donors instead of normal conception. Then maybe after 2 centuries from now, we'll have a society with mostly smart people. With no wars, corruption or poverty Considering that it's "smart" people who are doing all the corrupting and waging many of the wars, I'm not sure if your premise is entirely true. Just look at America as as prime example. Many of the greedy/corrupt businessmen, politicians, etc. all came from schools like Harvard, Princeton, etc. and are probably far more intelligent than most Americans. | ||
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Mikilatov
United States3897 Posts
On May 21 2011 06:04 DeltruS wrote: I'm 18 and this is exactly what happened to me a few months ago. My parents were very relieved that I wasn't mad and didn't want to look up who my biological father was. I always forget that my Dad isn't my biological father because I don't really care. When I do remember, it does shock me a bit, just because it is such a different way of thinking. That's interesting to hear from someone who actually went through it recently. As I stated in the post you quoted, I feel I'd react the same exact way. I'm actually curious of how common this way of thinking is in comparison to the alternative. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On May 21 2011 06:35 Naio wrote: I humbly disagree with your perception of intelligence Considering that it's "smart" people who are doing all the corrupting and waging many of the wars, I'm not sure if your premise is entirely true. Just look at America as as prime example. Many of the greedy/corrupt businessmen, politicians, etc. all came from schools like Harvard, Princeton, etc. and are probably far more intelligent than most Americans.  | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On May 21 2011 04:51 Kenderson wrote: I don't think that was necessary, and you don't know me. I was joking about the top notch thing but only half joking. I wasn't gonna brag but you leave me no choice. I was identified as "gifted" at a young age, I'm a nerd and at the same time I excell in athletics, I'm tall and thin with fast metabolism and the majority of my family is very similar. So ya, top notch. P.S. Don't be a dick. Okay I would like to point something out, first he obviously did leave you a choice, you just chose the dick path. Don't be a dick Second you are "gifted" when you can't tell when you had a choice (or can't make an intelligent argument) and have to resort to bragging to strangers over the internet, and third from my experience people who are labeled as "gifted" as babies and then choose to brag about it generally turn out to be douche bags and not even close to smart. | ||
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fortheGG
United Kingdom1002 Posts
child of jizz in a cup? kind of a hard way of putting it. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On May 21 2011 03:08 Mikilatov wrote: What I've never understood is why people seem to care who their biological parents are? If I found out my father wasn't my real father, I'd say "No, he's my real father, because he raised me and took care of me and still cares for me to this day." Who the hell cares where the sperm came from. There's a difference between a sperm donor and a DAD. I guess maybe I'd have to be put in that position to understand, but honestly, I don't think I'd give two shits if I didn't know my 'biological' father, if he was just a random sperm donor. I think it's because people believe genetics play a huge role in how you turn out as a person. Therefore, you want to know who contributed to your genetic makeup. | ||
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Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
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BroboCop
United States373 Posts
Basically the sperm donors are usually doing it simply to make some easy money, however, lets assume several years down the road they decide to have a child and that the child made from their "donated sperm" marries their child some crazy shit could happen (there have been cases of this). I'm too lazy to find the article but apparently, people that are 50% alike are drawn closer (connect easier/more) to each other just because of human instinct (evolution you could argue) of being so similar genetically. However, by curtailing anonymity also could lead to embarrassment for the sperm donor or possibly make them be frowned upon by society for "donating sperm" which, it is no one's fucking business except the child. | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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FFGenerations
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Kenderson
Canada280 Posts
On May 21 2011 06:54 Navillus wrote: Okay I would like to point something out, first he obviously did leave you a choice, you just chose the dick path. Second you are "gifted" when you can't tell when you had a choice (or can't make an intelligent argument) and have to resort to bragging to strangers over the internet, and third from my experience people who are labeled as "gifted" as babies and then choose to brag about it generally turn out to be douche bags and not even close to smart. Fuck ppl. You can't say anything on the internet these days without it being taken 100% literally and getting flamed for it. I wasn't trying to choose the dick path, I just felt obligated to give reasons for why I think I have good genes. How is presenting the evidence of my good genes not an intelligent argument? I really don't get why I'm getting flamed for this. I can't be the only one who thinks they have genes that are much better than average. If you think you're better than me and therefore I can't call my genes "top notch" then why can't you just be content with that instead of making condescending comments about a post that was by no means intended to offend in any way? The fuck do people have a problem with? Also, the "dick path" is putting down people you don't know and generalizing negativity. If I get flamed anymore I'm just gonna stop responding. The people who commented so far on my first post just seem angry and I don't know why. | ||
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Sworn
Canada920 Posts
On May 21 2011 07:15 BroboCop wrote: it is a double edged sword. Basically the sperm donors are usually doing it simply to make some easy money, however, lets assume several years down the road they decide to have a child and that the child made from their "donated sperm" marries their child some crazy shit could happen (there have been cases of this). I'm too lazy to find the article but apparently, people that are 50% alike are drawn closer (connect easier/more) to each other just because of human instinct (evolution you could argue) of being so similar genetically. However, by curtailing anonymity also could lead to embarrassment for the sperm donor or possibly make them be frowned upon by society for "donating sperm" which, it is no one's fucking business except the child. I don't think this is true I remember reading an article about hormones that are released that prevented people who are to close genetically from being attracted to eachother. This is how in the early stages of the human evolution we prevented inbreeding. | ||
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viii
United States266 Posts
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
On May 21 2011 07:40 Kenderson wrote: Fuck ppl. You can't say anything on the internet these days without it being taken 100% literally and getting flamed for it. I wasn't trying to choose the dick path, I just felt obligated to give reasons for why I think I have good genes. How is presenting the evidence of my good genes not an intelligent argument? I really don't get why I'm getting flamed for this. I can't be the only one who thinks they have genes that are much better than average. If you think you're better than me and therefore I can't call my genes "top notch" then why can't you just be content with that instead of making condescending comments about a post that was by no means intended to offend in any way? The fuck do people have a problem with? Also, the "dick path" is putting down people you don't know and generalizing negativity. If I get flamed anymore I'm just gonna stop responding. The people who commented so far on my first post just seem angry and I don't know why. The kids in high school used to complain about classes, and argue over which class was the hardest. I hated that I thought they were all easy because everytime I tried to argue with them, I lost. I hated losing arguments because I thought I was the smartest kid in school. I thought I was so smart that people would want me working for them, creating their new shit and solving their problems. Turns out I'm just some nerd posting on TL. You're not top notch genes. I'm not top notch genes. We're nothing in the gigantic ocean of humanity. Being an adult means recognizing who you are and having some level of respect for the people around you and just how big the world is. Relax, take a deep breath and then accept the lesson. | ||
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FFGenerations
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
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EvilNalu
United States91 Posts
On May 21 2011 07:40 Kenderson wrote: Fuck ppl. You can't say anything on the internet these days without it being taken 100% literally and getting flamed for it. I wasn't trying to choose the dick path, I just felt obligated to give reasons for why I think I have good genes. How is presenting the evidence of my good genes not an intelligent argument? I really don't get why I'm getting flamed for this. I can't be the only one who thinks they have genes that are much better than average. If you think you're better than me and therefore I can't call my genes "top notch" then why can't you just be content with that instead of making condescending comments about a post that was by no means intended to offend in any way? The fuck do people have a problem with? Also, the "dick path" is putting down people you don't know and generalizing negativity. If I get flamed anymore I'm just gonna stop responding. The people who commented so far on my first post just seem angry and I don't know why. The biggest problem I see is that you appear to have overreacted to and misinterpreted DoomsVille's statement. I'm pretty sure he was just saying that, in an evolutionary sense, genes which refuse to propagate themselves - as you did when you said you did not want to "give them away" - are by definition bad/unsuccessful genes. It was a snarky (and clever) comeback, but not really an insult. I do not think he was calling you dumb, ugly, etc. Of course, even if he had, posing about how smart and good looking you are on the internet is bound to elicit the kinds of comments you got. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
So if you want to give the donors anonimity, great. If you don't want to give the donors anonimity, that's fine too. But make sure you're consistent with what you promise and what you deliver. Otherwise, you just leave a big mess where the donors get to pick up the broken plates. | ||
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