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SlapMySalami
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
May 20 2011 19:39 GMT
#41
i think the people that have already donated should not have their records revealed as they were guaranteed anonymity at the time of donation
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Kenderson
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada280 Posts
May 20 2011 19:40 GMT
#42
On May 21 2011 03:37 Mikilatov wrote:
That's another thing... Would such legislation be retroactive? Does this mean that people who donated sperm thinking it was anonymous are now having these records revealed? That's pretty fucked up, if you ask me. If the legislation is going to change, the least they can do is at least make it only count for future donations, so those who donated under the promise of anonymity aren't hung out to dry.

That's a good point. It has to be for future donations only. Without guaranteed anonymity I'm sure many of the donations wouldn't have been made in the first place.

Like my dad always said, "You can't change the rules in the middle of the game."
"Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage." -Confucious
ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
May 20 2011 19:51 GMT
#43
On May 21 2011 03:10 ishboh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 03:08 Mikilatov wrote:
What I've never understood is why people seem to care who their biological parents are?

If I found out my father wasn't my real father, I'd say "No, he's my real father, because he raised me and took care of me and still cares for me to this day." Who the hell cares where the sperm came from. There's a difference between a sperm donor and a DAD.

I guess maybe I'd have to be put in that position to understand, but honestly, I don't think I'd give two shits if I didn't know my 'biological' father, if he was just a random sperm donor.

i can agree with this, but if it were me, i would want to find my biological father, entirely out of curiosity

Yeah completely on the same boat here. I think it should be an opt in for both father and child though.
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Kenderson
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada280 Posts
May 20 2011 19:51 GMT
#44
On May 21 2011 04:35 DoomsVille wrote:
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On May 21 2011 04:32 Kenderson wrote:
Other than curiosity and history of disease I don't see the point.

As for making a donation, I've thought about it and I'm not sure that I could do it. There's just something I don't like about the idea of giving away my top notch genetic material to strangers lol. It seems odd even to me that I feel this way because I tend to see everything as relatively meaningless. It's hard to explain, maybe it's selfishness or extreme overprotectiveness lol Idk. It just doesn't feel right. Until I thought about it for a while and realized I felt this way, my overall opinion was "Awesome! You can get paid to whack off? Count me in!" lol

That's the exact opposite of what top notch genetic material is.

I don't think that was necessary, and you don't know me. I was joking about the top notch thing but only half joking. I wasn't gonna brag but you leave me no choice. I was identified as "gifted" at a young age, I'm a nerd and at the same time I excell in athletics, I'm tall and thin with fast metabolism and the majority of my family is very similar. So ya, top notch.

P.S. Don't be a dick.
"Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage." -Confucious
Exogelatin
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada28 Posts
May 20 2011 19:54 GMT
#45
What if someone needs bone marrow or some other material from a family member? I don't think someone should suffer or die just because a promise of anonymity was once made.
Dogchow89
Profile Joined October 2010
United States5 Posts
May 20 2011 20:02 GMT
#46
On May 21 2011 04:54 Exogelatin wrote:
What if someone needs bone marrow or some other material from a family member? I don't think someone should suffer or die just because a promise of anonymity was once made.


You make it seem like that's now an obligation to the donor and the donor's family.
Valashu
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands561 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 20:14:15
May 20 2011 20:08 GMT
#47
This is so wrong, you have sperm donors because there are people or couples who just can't get pregnant via normal means and asking a friend to do it seems strange imo :3

You asked them to give sperm and they have to live with the thought of having a child somewhere and promised anonymity and didn't live up to it.

This is bad.
The superior pilot uses his superior judgement to avoid exercising his superior skill.
Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12114 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 20:11:08
May 20 2011 20:10 GMT
#48
If you were guaranteed anonymity when you did it then breaking that is very very bad. Imagine anonymous crime tips where they reveal who the tipper was. This is in the same league, both can totally ruin the life of somebody that simply wanted to help out...

I can agree about anonymous donating becoming forbidden, the people involved then knows the deal. They would then know they might become responsible for the child in a worst case scenario (which they then can give up to the state if they want to).

I myself wouldn't try to find out my parent. But there seems to be a lot of people that value an unknown a lot...
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46138 Posts
May 20 2011 20:11 GMT
#49
On May 21 2011 04:40 Kenderson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 03:37 Mikilatov wrote:
That's another thing... Would such legislation be retroactive? Does this mean that people who donated sperm thinking it was anonymous are now having these records revealed? That's pretty fucked up, if you ask me. If the legislation is going to change, the least they can do is at least make it only count for future donations, so those who donated under the promise of anonymity aren't hung out to dry.

That's a good point. It has to be for future donations only. Without guaranteed anonymity I'm sure many of the donations wouldn't have been made in the first place.

Like my dad always said, "You can't change the rules in the middle of the game."


Agreed. They would have to be grandfathered in to the system as exceptions, so to speak. That would only be fair, from the sound of the original contract.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Moody
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States750 Posts
May 20 2011 20:12 GMT
#50
On May 21 2011 04:06 Miiike wrote:
I get $100 per donation.


Holy shit... I've got a towel leaning against my desk at home that's worth probably a couple hundred thou.
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Miiike
Profile Joined July 2010
United States141 Posts
May 20 2011 20:18 GMT
#51
On May 21 2011 05:12 Moody wrote:
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On May 21 2011 04:06 Miiike wrote:
I get $100 per donation.


Holy shit... I've got a towel leaning against my desk at home that's worth probably a couple hundred thou.

Yeah it's a lot of money. I've signed up to donate at least once a week, which is what I usually do. If the gf isn't around for the week I try to get in two. You have to "abstain" for 48+ hours beforehand to ensure that there's enough vials to use. This means someone with no sex life and no jerking it could go as many as 3 times a week (mon/weds/fri) but that would be maximum.

There's also an overall limit as to how many times you can donate, the explanation of which takes a bit. Generally it's about a year and a half averaging 2 times a week, I think.

But yeah, 5k a year for 15 minutes a week is really good spending money. Also -- you should probably throw out that towel.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46138 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 20:22:14
May 20 2011 20:20 GMT
#52
On May 21 2011 04:51 Kenderson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 04:35 DoomsVille wrote:
On May 21 2011 04:32 Kenderson wrote:
Other than curiosity and history of disease I don't see the point.

As for making a donation, I've thought about it and I'm not sure that I could do it. There's just something I don't like about the idea of giving away my top notch genetic material to strangers lol. It seems odd even to me that I feel this way because I tend to see everything as relatively meaningless. It's hard to explain, maybe it's selfishness or extreme overprotectiveness lol Idk. It just doesn't feel right. Until I thought about it for a while and realized I felt this way, my overall opinion was "Awesome! You can get paid to whack off? Count me in!" lol

That's the exact opposite of what top notch genetic material is.

I don't think that was necessary, and you don't know me. I was joking about the top notch thing but only half joking. I wasn't gonna brag but you leave me no choice. I was identified as "gifted" at a young age, I'm a nerd and at the same time I excell in athletics, I'm tall and thin with fast metabolism and the majority of my family is very similar. So ya, top notch.

P.S. Don't be a dick.


I'm all of that AND I play as Protoss. People think my race is so imbalanced that they QQ non-stop on this forum about me.

I'm clearly far superior to you
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
DarkGeneral
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Canada328 Posts
May 20 2011 20:27 GMT
#53
On May 21 2011 03:12 MangoTango wrote:
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On May 21 2011 03:06 turdburgler wrote:
On May 21 2011 03:05 Jakalo wrote:
I dont have hard stance on this


i think that's the womans partners problem


I find that this thread does not arouse my curiousity.


stop being such boneheads.
"Everybody gotta die some time, righ'?" - Wraith Pilot
KomradeKevin
Profile Joined July 2010
United States88 Posts
May 20 2011 20:31 GMT
#54
I think a lot of the reason people want to know their biological parents is for health reasons. If you know you are at extra risk of heart disease or something, you can take more preventative action.
Exogelatin
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada28 Posts
May 20 2011 20:46 GMT
#55
On May 21 2011 05:02 Dogchow89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 04:54 Exogelatin wrote:
What if someone needs bone marrow or some other material from a family member? I don't think someone should suffer or die just because a promise of anonymity was once made.


You make it seem like that's now an obligation to the donor and the donor's family.


That's a different issue. Access to the information alone can be life or death.
scorch-
Profile Joined January 2011
United States816 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 20:51:44
May 20 2011 20:50 GMT
#56
On May 21 2011 04:51 Kenderson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 04:35 DoomsVille wrote:
On May 21 2011 04:32 Kenderson wrote:
Other than curiosity and history of disease I don't see the point.

As for making a donation, I've thought about it and I'm not sure that I could do it. There's just something I don't like about the idea of giving away my top notch genetic material to strangers lol. It seems odd even to me that I feel this way because I tend to see everything as relatively meaningless. It's hard to explain, maybe it's selfishness or extreme overprotectiveness lol Idk. It just doesn't feel right. Until I thought about it for a while and realized I felt this way, my overall opinion was "Awesome! You can get paid to whack off? Count me in!" lol

That's the exact opposite of what top notch genetic material is.

I don't think that was necessary, and you don't know me. I was joking about the top notch thing but only half joking. I wasn't gonna brag but you leave me no choice. I was identified as "gifted" at a young age, I'm a nerd and at the same time I excell in athletics, I'm tall and thin with fast metabolism and the majority of my family is very similar. So ya, top notch.

P.S. Don't be a dick.


You sit in your room and post about jerking off on internet forums, top notch. Do you also excel at spelling? How tall is tall? How thin is thin? How much of your family is a majority? How fast is your metabolism? Do you realize that you're run-of-the-mill when it comes to the nerds that post on these forums?

I bet you knew that bragging is a popular mechanism for coping with insecurity. You posted this to let us know that people carrying top notch genetic material are usually insecure about it, right? Because we didn't realize how insecure people with the best genetic makeup are... especially when there's a discussion concerning genetic makeup.

Thank you for the information. Please feel free to continue updating us with more as you see fit.

Sperm donors have a right to anonymity as should be granted by the agreement under which they donate. Since when do children have the "right" to know who their biological parents are?
Kenderson
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada280 Posts
May 20 2011 20:51 GMT
#57
On May 21 2011 05:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 04:51 Kenderson wrote:
On May 21 2011 04:35 DoomsVille wrote:
On May 21 2011 04:32 Kenderson wrote:
Other than curiosity and history of disease I don't see the point.

As for making a donation, I've thought about it and I'm not sure that I could do it. There's just something I don't like about the idea of giving away my top notch genetic material to strangers lol. It seems odd even to me that I feel this way because I tend to see everything as relatively meaningless. It's hard to explain, maybe it's selfishness or extreme overprotectiveness lol Idk. It just doesn't feel right. Until I thought about it for a while and realized I felt this way, my overall opinion was "Awesome! You can get paid to whack off? Count me in!" lol

That's the exact opposite of what top notch genetic material is.

I don't think that was necessary, and you don't know me. I was joking about the top notch thing but only half joking. I wasn't gonna brag but you leave me no choice. I was identified as "gifted" at a young age, I'm a nerd and at the same time I excell in athletics, I'm tall and thin with fast metabolism and the majority of my family is very similar. So ya, top notch.

P.S. Don't be a dick.


I'm all of that AND I play as Protoss. People think my race is so imbalanced that they QQ non-stop on this forum about me.

I'm clearly far superior to you

You'd think so, but playing Protoss is like handicapping the opponent . Only the real superiors play Zerg, and still make their opponents QQ :D lol
"Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage." -Confucious
Kenderson
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-20 20:56:03
May 20 2011 20:54 GMT
#58
On May 21 2011 05:50 scorch- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 04:51 Kenderson wrote:
On May 21 2011 04:35 DoomsVille wrote:
On May 21 2011 04:32 Kenderson wrote:
Other than curiosity and history of disease I don't see the point.

As for making a donation, I've thought about it and I'm not sure that I could do it. There's just something I don't like about the idea of giving away my top notch genetic material to strangers lol. It seems odd even to me that I feel this way because I tend to see everything as relatively meaningless. It's hard to explain, maybe it's selfishness or extreme overprotectiveness lol Idk. It just doesn't feel right. Until I thought about it for a while and realized I felt this way, my overall opinion was "Awesome! You can get paid to whack off? Count me in!" lol

That's the exact opposite of what top notch genetic material is.

I don't think that was necessary, and you don't know me. I was joking about the top notch thing but only half joking. I wasn't gonna brag but you leave me no choice. I was identified as "gifted" at a young age, I'm a nerd and at the same time I excell in athletics, I'm tall and thin with fast metabolism and the majority of my family is very similar. So ya, top notch.

P.S. Don't be a dick.


You sit in your room and post about jerking off on internet forums, top notch. Do you also excel at spelling? How tall is tall? How thin is thin? How much of your family is a majority? How fast is your metabolism? Do you realize that you're run-of-the-mill when it comes to the nerds that post on these forums?

I bet you knew that bragging is a popular mechanism for coping with insecurity. You posted this to let us know that people carrying top notch genetic material are usually insecure about it, right? Because we didn't realize how insecure people with the best genetic makeup are... especially when there's a discussion concerning genetic makeup.

Thank you for the information. Please feel free to continue updating us with more as you see fit.

Sperm donors have a right to anonymity as should be granted by the agreement under which they donate. Since when do children have the "right" to know who their biological parents are?

Wow I should have just kept my mouth shut I guess. I thought I was giving some insight into a unique view on sperm donation, but I guess jealousy prevails...
"Faced with what is right, to leave it undone shows a lack of courage." -Confucious
Kashll
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1117 Posts
May 20 2011 20:57 GMT
#59
On May 21 2011 03:33 InsaniaK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2011 03:18 Greatness wrote:
On May 21 2011 03:13 ZaplinG wrote:
I'm excited to see where this thread goes.

Might be a long and hard discussion we have ahead of us.

I hope so as well, I'm looking forward to some solid arguments.


As long as we all keep it civil... don't want this to blow up in our face.
"After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley
bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
May 20 2011 20:57 GMT
#60
On May 21 2011 05:50 scorch- wrote:
Sperm donors have a right to anonymity as should be granted by the agreement under which they donate. Since when do children have the "right" to know who their biological parents are?

Canada's courts have quite a notoriously broad definition of "rights".
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