What would happen if you fought your clone? - Page 8

Nakama

Germany584 Posts

April 10 2011 04:01 GMT

#141

ha ha this thread is so damn nice, it reveals how many ppl still believe in pure Materialism... do u all think that there is no free will?

The Question the OP asked is just sensless u jsut cant fight urslef and if u fight a clone then u always always fight a CLONE and never yourself.
The question is way too far away from reality so it cant be answered, or to say it better: if u answer it then ur answer is too abstract to be worth a discussion, cause then everyone can state everything and no one can argue about it

shinosai

United States1577 Posts

April 10 2011 04:07 GMT

#142

On April 10 2011 13:01 Nakama wrote:
ha ha this thread is so damn nice, it reveals how many ppl still believe in pure Materialism... do u all think that there is no free will?

Well, if you believe that everything has a cause (and I mean everything)... it kind of follows that there's no free will. Because when it comes down to it, you couldn't have done otherwise.

Free will is something that works within the system but not outside the system. I don't believe in it, but I also recognize that we couldn't operate in society without assuming it to be the case.

TheGreatWhiteHope_

United States335 Posts

April 10 2011 04:08 GMT

#143

I think the fight would play out more like your friend suggested than the version you proposed. While it is true that, since you have the same mental and physical characters as your clone that would lead to, (You)Move A "triggers" (Clone)Reaction B "which again triggers" (You)Reaction A. This would then set of a limitless number of actions and reactions that would end up something like this, (You)Move A "triggers" (Clone)Reaction B "which again triggers" (You)Reaction C "triggers" (Clone)Reaction D.

I don't know if that made sense I'm high.

JeanBob

Canada295 Posts

April 10 2011 04:26 GMT

#144

I think free will is an illusion given to us by our thoughts. We obey to what our brain tells us, which is determined by what he feels. What I mean is that we are only a race reacting on our instinc, so what we do is not told by ourselves but by everything that happens. For example, the reason why I am writing on this forum right now is because I feel a need to express myself. Not because I had the free will to do it. If I didn't need to express myself, I would not be writing this, if you see what I mean. But still, I think there would be some slight differences in the execution, which would not be perceptible unless we fight for eternity.

Chocolate

United States2350 Posts

April 10 2011 04:35 GMT

#145

A clone is an exact physical copy of yourself. One's behaviour is determined through many factors but is mostly determined by how you were raised (0-12). Therefore it would only matter who was a better fighter, since a clone would not have the same background as you.

Edit:For all of those saying that there is no free will, although it would be difficult to determine one way or another, there is definitely no "set path" due to entropy, so we are not "predestined" to mirror the exact copy of ourselves. (Entorpy is the fundamental chaos in the universe)

xaeiu

432 Posts

April 10 2011 04:41 GMT

#146

strange case...
i dunno what would happen
if it's a clone, so an exact copy, it'll also know what i know and therefor be smart enough to not fight

tenordrummer

Canada36 Posts

April 10 2011 04:42 GMT

#147

so in theory, if they just made ur clone, ud kick the crap outta them?

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

April 10 2011 04:43 GMT

#148

suppose there are three moves Punch Kick and Block. Punch beats kick (because its faster), Kick beats Block (because it hits harder) and Block beats Punch (well, duh). Both me and the clone know this and anticipate to counter each others actions. The cycle breaks down to infinity and we get bored and break out of the room.

Slow Motion

United States6960 Posts

April 10 2011 04:45 GMT

#149

Something even more interesting to think about is how you'd feel about this supposed exact physical and metal copy of myself. I for one would be unhappy about him existing, as I think quite highly of myself and enjoy being unique. I'm also a private person and can't stand for another being to know everything about me.

Knowing this, and knowing my copy knows this, I will then understand that we hate each other to some degree and wish the other did not exist. We would either come to some sort of understanding about going our separate ways and never hearing form each other again, or paranoia would cause both of us to try to kill and replace the other asap (assuming we'd get away with it).

Anyone think they would get along with an exact copy of themselves? Or would you hate it as much as I would?

eviltomahawk

United States11135 Posts

April 10 2011 04:49 GMT

#150

On April 10 2011 09:34 Aquafresh wrote:
I would pay to see Mondragon play his clone in Starcraft. Actually I don't really care about seeing the game, I'm more interested in the pre/post-match interviews.

Mondragon vs Mondragon?

Although that would be a nice match, Flash vs Flash would be the ultimate mirror matchup, for obvious reasons. Flash would have to pull off some amazing plays if he is to be able to beat Flash.

Ryshi

Canada361 Posts

April 10 2011 04:49 GMT

#151

From how I interpret the OP, I feel the clone is more of a mirror image rather than something physically different. The clone could be in a different dimension that co-exist in the same plane. ie. suppose the center of the room is given the coordinates (0,0) and my relative location is (x,y), the clone's location will exist at (-x,-y). I assume for each random thought I come up with during the battle, the clone would come up with the same random thought at the precise moment.

That being said, it would be like I'm fighting a mirror except the reflection is something physical. Rather than a chain reaction of "if I do A, the clone will do B", the battle will be "if I do A, clone will be doing A at the same time". So if I raise a punch, the clone would raise a punch as well. I would only be hit if I decide to hit him rather than dodge, in which case the clone would dodge as well. After realizing these implications, we would just sit at opposite ends of the room and wait for timer to reach 0 for draw rather than hurt ourselves.

Audle

New Zealand40 Posts

April 10 2011 04:51 GMT

#152

I'm generally against fighting. So if my clone has the same mental attributes and thought processes, and I'm assuming the same personality, we'd just get drunk and play video games instead.

If only this could actually happen. *wistful thinking face*

JeanBob

Canada295 Posts

April 10 2011 04:53 GMT

#153

Slow Motion, I'm really happy with the point you made, because while reading the posts of people saying they would be happy with their clones, I was wondering if I was the only who would not.

Only my reasons are not the same as yours; it is mainly because I know we would want the same things at the same moment. Like, I wanna okay StarCraft, he wants to play StarCraft. PLus, I like being the leader and choosing things. He does too. I'm stubborn. He is too. It isn't compatible.

But anyways, we are a bit out of the thread.

JeanBob

Canada295 Posts

April 10 2011 04:56 GMT

#154

On April 10 2011 13:49 eviltomahawk wrote:

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Day[9] versus Day[9] or TLO versus TLO would be cool because they would play random and therefore we would see which race they control best. Plus it would be really intense decision making since they would not do the same thing, except if they're the same race, but will be able to predict what the other will do so they will try to be as unpredictable as possible.

Whitewing

United States7483 Posts

April 10 2011 04:56 GMT

#155

Nonsensical question: clones aren't perfect replicas, merely genetic replicas, without identical experiences. There's too much randomness and entropy in existence, even assuming you were both as identical as theoretically possible, you'd still have different thought processes on some level.

YouGotNothin

United States907 Posts

April 10 2011 04:58 GMT

#156

I think this brings up a more philosophical question of would you be friends with yourself? I mean sometimes too similar personalities can conflict with each other.

but I think sometimes very similar (exactly similar personalities?) can get along pretty well.

Reminds me of Scott Pilgrim Vs. The World when he fights Nega Scott

ampson

United States2355 Posts

April 10 2011 05:06 GMT

#157

Uh, we would actually find a way to get out of the room, and play some mad 2v2 action, and then fight each other to see who can 4 gate better. But if we had to fight, we would not do the exact same thing, because as well as entropy in the thought process, there is the environment to take into consideration. All things considered, I would kick his clone ass.

Inschato

Canada1349 Posts

April 10 2011 05:09 GMT

#158

My body is not symmetrical, so unless this "clone" was a mirror copy instead of a literal copy, and we were facing each-other, that would definitely cause interference in the theoretical identical openers and so on. I have thought before about how I would deal with such a situation, like: How do you get past such a person? Easy: You both go "right" or "left". Doesn't work against an actual mirror world version though, who would have opposite meanings to right and left.

jdseemoreglass

United States3773 Posts

April 10 2011 05:11 GMT

#159

On April 10 2011 13:56 Whitewing wrote:
Nonsensical question: clones aren't perfect replicas, merely genetic replicas, without identical experiences. There's too much randomness and entropy in existence, even assuming you were both as identical as theoretically possible, you'd still have different thought processes on some level.

This pretty much sums it up. Even with identical genes your biology, thoughts, stimuli, etc will all be constantly fluctuating making you different individuals. You are not even the same self you were five minutes ago.

hongo

207 Posts

April 10 2011 05:17 GMT

#160

Well first I'd jump through the roof, go super saiyan, and get my power level over NINE THOUSAND. Then we'll see how fair of a fight it is

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