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Supamang
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2298 Posts
April 08 2011 13:45 GMT
#1381
On April 08 2011 22:44 lofung wrote:
this is a horribly defined question. as a math major i refuse to answer until further clarifaction.

I believe that this is the correct answer.
Nivoh
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Norway259 Posts
April 08 2011 13:49 GMT
#1382
If this was BW days there would not have been any twos, just saying. ;P
SharkSpider
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada606 Posts
April 08 2011 13:52 GMT
#1383
Yeah, I sent this question to a few friends from my pure math classes. Most responses were along the lines of "wtf are you using a division sign for," but when I actually explained the context, it was really a consensus that the division sign and the use of / in text are ambiguous, because mathematicians use fraction lines instead.
inimenesc
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Estonia374 Posts
April 08 2011 13:54 GMT
#1384
thats why i want to study physics, cannot define anything there with 2 meanings :D

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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
April 08 2011 13:57 GMT
#1385
On April 08 2011 22:54 inimenesc wrote:
thats why i want to study physics, cannot define anything there with 2 meanings :D



...Except the things you study there on the quantum scale can take on multiple meanings until it is observed...
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Deleted User 45971
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
533 Posts
April 08 2011 14:01 GMT
#1386
On April 08 2011 22:39 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 22:15 valaki wrote:
On April 08 2011 22:11 CrayonKing wrote:
This thread is really dumb because it depends on how you interpret it.


You can't really interpret any other way tho.


You can construct 2 different pre-fix or post-fix notions which implies multiple valid syntax trees for it so in the strictest since of the word, it is ambiguous if you do not assume LtR.


What are those 2 pre-fix and post-fix notations and what would a syntax tree look like? I have a hard time seeing why you would ever not read this LtR. Being uneducated I'm curious.
Amanebak
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Czech Republic528 Posts
April 08 2011 14:01 GMT
#1387
On April 08 2011 22:45 Supamang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 22:44 lofung wrote:
this is a horribly defined question. as a math major i refuse to answer until further clarifaction.

I believe that this is the correct answer.

QFT
I don't get why would someone consider this as a math question.
BW
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
April 08 2011 14:01 GMT
#1388
The context is missing and when this stuff is written out on paper it's a lot clearer what is going on. I was confused in the start because ÷ is used for subtraction in Denmark, and / is used for division. My point is, while the rules for solving this problem are quite well defined, the rules that people are taught aren't and differ a lot from school to school or country to country.
Ceril
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden1343 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 14:09:04
April 08 2011 14:03 GMT
#1389
On April 08 2011 22:43 ChrisXIV wrote:
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On April 08 2011 22:32 Ceril wrote:
I think that I've been told division takes precendece over mulitplication if you have both present. Since division consists of 2 parts to make a whole, wheras multiplication is 1 part for the whole. Division: a/b =c a=dividend b=divisor c=qoutatient. on their own a and b means nothing, a/b needs to be read as one unit, made into c to go with multiplication.


2*2=(2/1)*(2/1)=(2/1)/(1/2)=(4/1)=4
2*3=(2/1)*(3/1)=(3/1)*(2/1)=(3/1)/(1/2)=(2/1)/(1/3)=(6/1)=6

I don't get what you are trying to say, sry T_T.


I'll try again, I'am not a great conveyer of concept in english, sorry. 2*2 is actually saying 2/1 * 2/1 and if we look at it from here we see that 2/1 is one unity. Reading the left or the right of the /( a or b) on their own is not not an actual number we can do anything with.
5*6/3 should be read as 5*(6/3)
resolve the division first since we have both * and / present. because 5*6 is not correct soon as we have the division sign we must take into account what is on the other side of the / sign, above our divisor 3.

5*6/3
Looking at our 6 as freestanding and easy to mulitply with the 5, when it is actually part of a whole unit that is the division of 6/3 the 6 or the 3 are not separate entities; On their own they do not tell us anything only read as the unit they make up (6/3)=2.

5 6
--- * ----
1 3

And so:
If we have "6/3(5)" multiplying the 3 with the 5 first is incorrect since our "3" is not actually representing the number 3, our 3 is the divisor part of a divison unity, its not representing anything on its own. Any divison is most easily read by adding parenthesis 6/3 <-this is one divison unit =>(6/3)=>2
=>2(5) =>10

Edit:
Yes, its quite possible its a badly defined question.
But when I translate it to paper, it stands clear to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/÷

In written form a÷b and a/b have the same meaning to me.




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Yvuslol
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1 Post
April 08 2011 14:04 GMT
#1390
if it would be 48/2(9+3) the answer would be 2, also if 48÷(2x(9+3))

Dont confuse the ÷ with the / its different kinda (with the '/' it would be (48/2) x (9+3).


VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
April 08 2011 14:05 GMT
#1391
On April 08 2011 22:49 Nivoh wrote:
If this was BW days there would not have been any twos, just saying. ;P
Are you saying only romanians played BW?

On April 08 2011 23:01 OrchidThief wrote:
The context is missing and when this stuff is written out on paper it's a lot clearer what is going on. I was confused in the start because ÷ is used for subtraction in Denmark, and / is used for division. My point is, while the rules for solving this problem are quite well defined, the rules that people are taught aren't and differ a lot from school to school or country to country.
That's cool to know, I had no idea ÷ meant subtraction somewhere.
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Wonderballs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 14:25:12
April 08 2011 14:10 GMT
#1392
48/2*(9+3)=
48 / (2*9)+(2*3) =
48 / (18+6) =
48 / 24 =
2


48/2*(9+3)=
24*(9+3)=
(24*9)+(24*3)=
288

Lets restate the problem

48 over 1 "divided by" 2(9+3) over 1 (easy as pie, flip the second and multiply!)

48 over 1 "multiplied by" 1 over 2(9+3)

which gives 48 "divided by" 24. (punch that into a calculator I dare you)

Why would you evaluate the bracket last?

If I'm wrong I don't know how I got through 4 years of engineering....


This is the thingy I learned in grade 6... you will shit.
EBODMASIO

Exponents, Brackets, Of, Division, Multiplication, Addition, Subtraction, In Order.
the guy was a crackpot. (brackets are first)
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MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
April 08 2011 14:15 GMT
#1393
On April 08 2011 22:54 inimenesc wrote:
thats why i want to study physics, cannot define anything there with 2 meanings :D


Then you're in for quite a surprise. The abuse of notation common in physics is unbelievable.
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 08 2011 14:15 GMT
#1394
On April 08 2011 18:27 Kentor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 11:57 -{Cake}- wrote:
http://math.berkeley.edu/~wu/order5.pdf

^interesting

just sayin

requoting this. in other words this math problem is retarded and has no real life consequences.


Re-re-quoted for a nice input into the discussion.
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
April 08 2011 14:17 GMT
#1395
On April 08 2011 23:05 VIB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 22:49 Nivoh wrote:
If this was BW days there would not have been any twos, just saying. ;P
Are you saying only romanians played BW?

Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 23:01 OrchidThief wrote:
The context is missing and when this stuff is written out on paper it's a lot clearer what is going on. I was confused in the start because ÷ is used for subtraction in Denmark, and / is used for division. My point is, while the rules for solving this problem are quite well defined, the rules that people are taught aren't and differ a lot from school to school or country to country.
That's cool to know, I had no idea ÷ meant subtraction somewhere.


Was that really necessary?

Orchid... whhhhhat? My mind ='s blown right now.

Really? ÷ would mean to subtract and not - ? That sounds like the biggest bullshit, but what do I know.. I'm not from Denmark. The signs are supposed to be universal, so there would be little confusion. ._.
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
April 08 2011 14:21 GMT
#1396
On April 08 2011 23:15 MasterOfChaos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 22:54 inimenesc wrote:
thats why i want to study physics, cannot define anything there with 2 meanings :D


Then you're in for quite a surprise. The abuse of notation common in physics is unbelievable.


Haha, indeed. Quantum mechanics is pure abuse of notation.
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 14:23:44
April 08 2011 14:22 GMT
#1397
On April 08 2011 23:17 StarStruck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 23:05 VIB wrote:
On April 08 2011 22:49 Nivoh wrote:
If this was BW days there would not have been any twos, just saying. ;P
Are you saying only romanians played BW?

On April 08 2011 23:01 OrchidThief wrote:
The context is missing and when this stuff is written out on paper it's a lot clearer what is going on. I was confused in the start because ÷ is used for subtraction in Denmark, and / is used for division. My point is, while the rules for solving this problem are quite well defined, the rules that people are taught aren't and differ a lot from school to school or country to country.
That's cool to know, I had no idea ÷ meant subtraction somewhere.


Was that really necessary?

Orchid... whhhhhat? My mind ='s blown right now.

Really? ÷ would mean to subtract and not - ? That sounds like the biggest bullshit, but what do I know.. I'm not from Denmark. The signs are supposed to be universal, so there would be little confusion. ._.


I have never in my, umm, 20'ish years of education seen ÷ used for division. Ever.
LarJarsE
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1378 Posts
April 08 2011 14:27 GMT
#1398
Order of operations... This is solvable and there is only one solution. It's 288.parentheses first, thenleft to right since division and multiplication have the same priority.
since 98'
ztoa03
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines181 Posts
April 08 2011 14:31 GMT
#1399
As of the time of this post...the result of the first poll

288 [(1781)57%] and 2 [(1354)43%]

contradicts with the result of the third poll

1/(2*x) [(1415)68%] and (1/2)*x [(672)32%]
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Retgery
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1229 Posts
April 08 2011 14:35 GMT
#1400
I can't believe people are still debating this...
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