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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 15:09:16
April 08 2011 15:09 GMT
#1421
On April 09 2011 00:05 Vorenius wrote:
But all that aside, it seems many people got it wrong for complete all reasons. There seems to be a trend of NAs assuming division takes priority over multiplication. I'll assume it has to with that PEDMAS thing. Where I'm from we were just taught the order of operations without any silly mnemonic and that worked out just fine. Especially since PEDMAS is kinda flawed since it's P>E>(DM)>(AS) and not P>E>D>M>A>S


Wierd thing is for me, is that during elementary school (grades 4-8) I was tought that it was B>E>D>M>A/S (notice how they still grouped A/S together, just not D/M). Now in Highschool however i am being taught D/M are on the same tier

The answer of this question can completely depend on who taught you how do to Bedmas (Its brackets, not parenthesis)
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 15:12:03
April 08 2011 15:11 GMT
#1422
The Problem with this is, Not Anywhere is the sign "/" used in Real Life
thats a sign only for the Internet cause you cant use fraction strokes there ..

in Real Life you never have to make the decision if you first divide or multiply ..
and especially not at university
EffectS
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium795 Posts
April 08 2011 15:13 GMT
#1423
I don't see how some people can get his wrong. In Belgium, you see these in early high school. Don't know in what grade US people see it, or other countries for that matter. Please enlighten me.
TEEHEE
Toxi78
Profile Joined May 2010
966 Posts
April 08 2011 15:15 GMT
#1424
this is not mathematics, this is merely a notation problem.
please go back to school, and feel free to "feel smart" there.
Wonderballs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada253 Posts
April 08 2011 15:15 GMT
#1425
On April 09 2011 00:11 phil.ipp wrote:
The Problem with this is, Not Anywhere is the sign "/" used in Real Life


This is false, you use that sign when you fraction two fractions for readability.

(1/2)
------ vs
(4/6)


1
---
2
--------------
4
---
6


for example.
I thought Jesus would come back before Starcraft 2.
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
April 08 2011 15:16 GMT
#1426
On April 09 2011 00:13 EffectS wrote:
I don't see how some people can get his wrong. In Belgium, you see these in early high school. Don't know in what grade US people see it, or other countries for that matter. Please enlighten me.

We get it in early highschool or grade 8 for my self...

The thing is that with PEDMAS the DM (division and multiplication) tier are done at the same time...

So some people are doing the multiplication then division

Where others are doing divison then multiplication

It just depends on if you see it as

48
2(9+3)

or

48 *(9+3)
2
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phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
April 08 2011 15:20 GMT
#1427
On April 09 2011 00:15 Wonderballs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 00:11 phil.ipp wrote:
The Problem with this is, Not Anywhere is the sign "/" used in Real Life


This is false, you use that sign when you fraction two fractions for readability.

(1/2)
------ vs
(4/6)


1
---
2
--------------
4
---
6


for example.


at your school maybe, i studied 1 year mathematics, 14 years normals school and this "/" was never used anywhere ..

oh i forgot we used this ":" in elementary school ..
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
April 08 2011 15:22 GMT
#1428
you can all laugh at people that they didnt remember the some rule (BEDMAS or what its called) .. but thats about it ..

now some people here think they are so smart haha :D
buhhy
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 15:22:49
April 08 2011 15:22 GMT
#1429
On April 09 2011 00:16 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 00:13 EffectS wrote:
I don't see how some people can get his wrong. In Belgium, you see these in early high school. Don't know in what grade US people see it, or other countries for that matter. Please enlighten me.

We get it in early highschool or grade 8 for my self...

The thing is that with PEDMAS the DM (division and multiplication) tier are done at the same time...

So some people are doing the multiplication then division

Where others are doing divison then multiplication

It just depends on if you see it as

48
2(9+3)

or

48 *(9+3)
2


No that's not it, the problem is not that people think division or multiplication comes first, the problem is whether juxtaposition takes precedence over normal division and multiplication.

Simple math: it doesn't.
Algebra: it does.

EDIT: why is this thread so long?
Junichi
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1056 Posts
April 08 2011 15:26 GMT
#1430
bc so many people get offended when one questions their intelligence, especially in geeky communities like that of a pc game...
"Until the very, very top, in almost anything all that matters, is how much work you put in. The only problem is that most people can't work hard even at things they do enjoy, much less things they don't have a real passion for." - Greg "IdrA" Fields
hiddink
Profile Joined September 2006
United States34 Posts
April 08 2011 15:27 GMT
#1431
[image loading]

perl wins
You can't have manslaughter without laughter
Ceril
Profile Joined April 2003
Sweden1343 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 15:29:00
April 08 2011 15:27 GMT
#1432
I would read 48/2x as 48/(2x) because when you include algebra and not just pure numbers the outer parenthesis around the of 2x is silently there.

48/2x =>
x=(9+3)
(48/(2x))
(48/(2(9+3)))

edit:
On April 09 2011 00:22 buhhy wrote:
Simple math: it doesn't.
Algebra: it does.

Just because you can now store where everyone was and is, what they like, what they fear who they talk to and who they love. It does not mean we should so spy upon our fellow man in a dystopia far worse then 1984
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
April 08 2011 15:27 GMT
#1433
I couldn't even compile the equation:
[image loading]

So I had to slightly modify it and it spits out the answer 288:
[image loading]
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
Wonderballs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada253 Posts
April 08 2011 15:27 GMT
#1434
On April 09 2011 00:20 phil.ipp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 00:15 Wonderballs wrote:
On April 09 2011 00:11 phil.ipp wrote:
The Problem with this is, Not Anywhere is the sign "/" used in Real Life


This is false, you use that sign when you fraction two fractions for readability.

(1/2)
------ vs
(4/6)


1
---
2
--------------
4
---
6


for example.


at your school maybe, i studied 1 year mathematics, 14 years normals school and this "/" was never used anywhere ..

oh i forgot we used this ":" in elementary school ..


How do I rebuttal that? "Well we don't do it; therefore it's asinine"

Well... my school isn't the only school that likes things to look nice.... you can be a disorganized slob if you want... but realize that you're not the center of the universe.

(btw my 4 years engineering + "normal school" undergrad trumps your 1 year math.)
I thought Jesus would come back before Starcraft 2.
trainRiderJ
Profile Joined August 2010
United States615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 15:29:55
April 08 2011 15:28 GMT
#1435
It gets a lot easier if you think of multiplication and division being the same operation (or division being the inverse of multiplication).

1 ÷ 4

is equivalent to

1 x 1/4
Insanious
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1251 Posts
April 08 2011 15:29 GMT
#1436
On April 09 2011 00:27 hiddink wrote:
[image loading]

perl wins

Um... you changed the notation, you added in the multiplication symbol into the equation because

48/2*(9+3)

is very different than

48÷2(9+3)

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TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
April 08 2011 15:30 GMT
#1437
On April 09 2011 00:27 hiddink wrote:
[image loading]

perl wins


You aren't using implied multiplication. I think the discussion would be much different if the original post contained the expression as you wrote it. Lol.
trainRiderJ
Profile Joined August 2010
United States615 Posts
April 08 2011 15:31 GMT
#1438
On April 09 2011 00:29 Insanious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 00:27 hiddink wrote:
[image loading]

perl wins

Um... you changed the notation, you added in the multiplication symbol into the equation because

48/2*(9+3)

is very different than

48÷2(9+3)



Actually no, those two statements are equivalent. An implied multiplication operation has no higher or lower priority than an explicit one.
Wonderballs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada253 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-08 15:35:42
April 08 2011 15:32 GMT
#1439
On April 09 2011 00:27 hiddink wrote:
[image loading]

perl wins


as with many other inconsistencies with the problem, the computer has no idea how to interpret the parenthesis if there is no operator between it and the previous term. It's a matter of programming logic than actual algebra.


MATLAB OUTPUT

>> 48/2(9+3)
??? 48/2(9+3)
|
Error: Unbalanced or unexpected parenthesis or bracket.


On April 09 2011 00:31 trainRiderJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 00:29 Insanious wrote:
On April 09 2011 00:27 hiddink wrote:
[image loading]

perl wins

Um... you changed the notation, you added in the multiplication symbol into the equation because

48/2*(9+3)

is very different than

48÷2(9+3)



Actually no, those two statements are equivalent. An implied multiplication operation has no higher or lower priority than an explicit one.


They are equivalent yes. However consider

48
---- * (9+3)
2

is this statement equivalent to the original?
I thought Jesus would come back before Starcraft 2.
Sneakyz
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2361 Posts
April 08 2011 15:35 GMT
#1440
On April 09 2011 00:31 trainRiderJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2011 00:29 Insanious wrote:
On April 09 2011 00:27 hiddink wrote:
[image loading]

perl wins

Um... you changed the notation, you added in the multiplication symbol into the equation because

48/2*(9+3)

is very different than

48÷2(9+3)



Actually no, those two statements are equivalent. An implied multiplication operation has no higher or lower priority than an explicit one.

Indeed, they both equal 288.
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