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zatic
Zurich15352 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6298 Posts
On March 15 2016 06:21 Dangermousecatdog wrote: And what exactly would be that task which has been completely fulfilled? The peace process between the Syrian people and what was left of the non-jihadist rebels has started. Where before Russia stepped in, Syria was on the verge of becoming a non-state islamist hell hole, its now stable enough to begin the process of reconciliation. Of course there are still terrorist groups active within the country being funded by Turkey and Saudi Arabia but for the most part they have been neutered. Russia has no place propping up a puppet government or telling the Syrian people how to run their country ten years after 'mission accomplished'. ISIS is still a problem, so the US coalition can finally step it up and help the Syrian people beat them, you can't expect Russia to win the whole war against ISIS when there are 50 other countries claiming to also be helping. edit: In my opinion if Putin's only goal in all this was to make sure there was no possibility of a military overthrow of the Syrian government and cripple the 'moderate terrorists' then he can call this a success. Its also gotten the west talking with Russia again, diplomatic channels have been reopened and cooperation has started. The heat has also gone down regarding the Ukraine and Crimea. So in general: - military stabilization of the Syrian government (large scale operational success in Latakia, Aleppo, very positive results everywhere else except for Hama) - very low cost of the whole operation and made Obama's middle east policy look idiotic many many times - complete shutdown of the 'good terrorists', al-Nusra, al'Sham, al-Islam crippled. Russia along with the US got rid of ISIS's logistics and hampered their ability to run their war (money, weapons). Naturally if his plan was to completely take over the whole of Syria it didn't work out. Although 80% of the civilian population lives now under the Assad government (and you need civilians to run a country) to take over the rest of the country would mean more horrific losses for all sides and more destruction of infrastructure. Cleaning out whats left of the rebels from their tunnels and whatnot is going to be a bloody business, so I think this peace process is Syria's best shot of ending this war soon. edit2: Russia will still be bombing ISIS and Al-Qaeda, just in lower intensity closer to the amount the coalition is bombing. | ||
Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6298 Posts
There is nothing to argue about. edit: Again this is a limited pull out of Russian forces, they could just be pulling out half of the 4000 military personnel they have there because they don't need that many people. They are saying they are going to intensify anti-terrorist operations, but with a smaller force. Maybe its all a smokescreen. | ||
trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
Assad's regime would have crumbled without this. Maybe this is indeed the right time to stop because contrary to the US or others, Putin doesn't have the delusion that he can bomb order, democracy, civilization and prosperity into a part of the world. When Putin throws bombs, he knows that whoever lives in the area where those bombs hit are fucked. | ||
lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
Gen Bondarev's claim that the VKS has hit 100% of its targets in Syria can only be given credence if by 'target' he is referring to Syria itself, rather than any specific part of it." http://www.janes.com/article/58828/russian-air-force-claims-total-accuracy-in-syrian-campaign | ||
xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
Beirut (dpa) - Syrian Kurds and their allies Thursday approved a plan for a federal system of administration in the country's north, a Kurdish official said, a step towards total autonomy in the region that is set to roil neighbouring Turkey. and the reply http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SYRIA_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-03-17-07-44-00 Idriss Nassan said the plan was adopted at a conference in Syria's north-eastern province of Hassakeh. "There was an overwhelming approval of the document," he told dpa without giving details. The conference in Hassakeh was attended by about by about 200 representatives from various ethnic and religious groups representing the main Syrian Kurdish faction, the Democratic Union Party (PYD), and and its allies. The federal system covers three enclaves in northern Syria near the Turkish border, according to Kurdish media. The Syrian government and its opponents have rejected a declaration by Syrian Kurds of a federal region in northern Syria. the kurdish developments will be interesting to follow; both the syrians and iraqi kurds push for federalization(Turkey, Russia, Syria(Assad) and Iraq are against it and US says nothing)).A statement issued by the Syrian Foreign Ministry says the declaration made in the town of Rmeilan in Syria's Hassakeh province Thursday is unconstitutional and worthless. It warned against any attempt to encroach upon the integrity of Syrian territories. The Syrian National Coalition, one of the main Syrian opposition groups, also said it rejects such unilateral declarations and warned of any attempt to form autonomous regions that "confiscate the will of the Syrian people." | ||
lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I think many heard about the suicide attack hit capital of Turkey, internet went crazy with James Taylor's facebook feed: https://www.facebook.com/Jamestaylorpiano/posts/10207609723993980 There isn't a need to talk about it anymore but for one thing I feel myself to write this, that suicide attack was a long story short as a product of false imagination, corrupt design attempts that will never work for middle east. The perpetrator, at least one of them, was a female PKK member who has been long whitewashed and romantically dramatized by global media using their beautiful faces even in their monthly woman magazine fronts alongside the AKs, RPGs, colorful camos, red rose holding woman hands n stuff. ( See: http://www.marieclaire.com/culture/news/a6643/these-are-the-women-battling-isis/ ) But the reality is: Those women killed this couple. ![]() Those women took away the fathers most precious ![]() The two young boys are dead, those women killed one of the two, the other died in ISIS suicide attack. ![]() Those women murdered this beautiful, alongside other beautiful girls and older women who were 16 and 70. Their fault was waiting a bus. ![]() Now BBC or Vice should tell us more how brave those women are as PKK is no longer fighting ISIS in the field, heavily focused on fighting Turkey and moderate rebels. Further reading: + Show Spoiler + Berfu Kiziltan is currently a Davis Scholar at the Graduate Institute of International and Development Studies in Geneva. Over the last two months, there have been dozens of articles published on how the brave Kurdish women of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) have been fighting fiercely against the militants of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), including publications by BBC News, Foreign Policy magazine and the Huffington Post. Indeed, at first sight one feels proud at the fact that women are as strong as men and are fighting for what they believe in. Yet, something about the rhetoric used by news sources on Kurdish female fighters feels deeply dissatisfying. “Gender equality is a fundamental feature of the PKK, which was founded as a Marxist organization,” many news sources reported, while depicting the heroines of the PKK, conducting individual interviews and sharing their extraordinary life stories. Nevertheless, there are serious complications about these statements. Among many, the claim that PKK is still a Marxist organization is highly disputable when its political discourse has been redefined over many decades. However, what we should concentrate on is the hyperbole of "female power and independence" within the PKK. It is true that since its establishment, the PKK has recruited women as well as men. While some of these recruitments were voluntary, others were by force. Nihat Ali Özcan, who is an expert on the PKK, claims that women have voluntarily joined the PKK because they are attracted to the propaganda and aims of the organization, or because of family pressure. However, especially during the early stages of the PKK’s existence, it is well-known that the group kidnapped young women for recruitment and forced children whose families were already involved with the PKK to join the organization. In time, they were successful in creating a false notion of gender-equality. “For me, the freedom of women is more important than land and culture. A woman must be a freedom fighter. You must liberate yourselves,” said Abdullah Öcalan, the imprisoned leader of the PKK, on international women’s day this year. However, during an interview in 1997, when asked about his alleged “harem” (where the main male character was surrounded by a group of females), he dismissively responded that it is completely natural to have a desire to be close to the leader in guerrilla movements, as “the leader delivers light and power to those who are around him.” Moreover, the gender-equality façade of the PKK took a serious blow when one of its own female militants, who escaped from it and found refuge in Iraq, published a book on her experiences titled “The Escape to Freedom” in the early 2000s. After joining the PKK at the age of 13, Dilaram (her codename) spoke to almost 100 ex-militants about the beatings and rapes taking place within the PKK by its leaders and high-level commanders. The story in the book is of a woman who voluntarily joined the organization, but then could not leave it once she was in. Dilaram became a victim of all types of misconduct. The horrific stories range from brutal incidents of rape, to the execution of young women who wanted to run away from the group. Thus, all today's arguments suggesting that the PKK provides freedom and power for women within the organization should be taken with a grain of salt. Moreover, those who are familiar with the history of PKK attacks in Turkey will recall that more than half of its suicide attacks have been conducted by women. There was a time in the country when people became restless when they saw a pregnant woman in a crowded place, suspecting that she could be a PKK militant ready to detonate a bomb. Indeed, in the book “Women as Terrorists: Mothers, Recruiters, and Martyrs” by R. Kim Cragin and Sara A. Daly it is written that while the PKK has utilized female militants as suicide bombers because they would be better able to slip past Turkish security measures, many of the female operatives became suicide bombers out of eagerness to prove that they could be as fierce as their male counterparts, after being accused of being passive fighters. Needless to say, the PKK is not the only armed group to employ female militants in its activities – in its occasionally ideological and at other time pragmatic strategy. What's more, there is a great irony in the fact that PKK women have lately been combating ISIL, which as an Islamist organization that not only prohibits any female fighters’ involvement but also conducts unspeakable violence against females in the raided towns. All of this being said, before displaying euphoria about women being equal to men in their “fight” and before portraying the PKK as if it has no record of gender discrimination, one should take a better look at its history. Regrettably, not all stories are as marketable as others, but there are many lives that have fallen between these gender cracks and deserve to be remembered. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
rasco
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xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura acknowledged the latest round of peace talks have made limited progress as the first week concludes. De Mistura met on the same day with the Syrian government’s delegation and the High Negotiations Committee for the first time on Friday. so after a week they're here:The government delegation demanded their principles be met before they open direct conversations with the opposition. Meanwhile, the opposition focused on getting humanitarian aid past government-held regions and the release of prisoners. De Mistura hopes all parties reach a “minimum common platform” within the coming week. principles be met = recognition of Assad presidency; humanitarian aid and the release of prisoners = questionable goods to pass through gov-held territory and reach SDF(syrian dem. forces) and the likes; prisoners released -> they'll have more people to fight with. (there are obviously more things being negotiated there, but cynicism is ... yea, entitled) meanwhile, the kurds are getting signatures http://ekurd.net/million-signature-kurds-syria-2016-03-20 The campaign through extensive networking at local, national, and international levels will gather 1 million signatures to oppose the exclusion of Kurds , civil sector, and other ethnic and religious minorities from the third Geneva Conference. As such the campaign defends a fair and lasting peace with the inclusion and equal representations of Kurds and other Syrian minorities in the Geneva 3 Conference . | ||
Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
On March 19 2016 13:12 lastpuritan wrote: Kinda off-topic but related. User was temp banned for this post. I am not really sure why this temp ban has happened. Kurds in Syria and Turkey are closely related and it is not that off-topic. On March 19 2016 14:06 rasco wrote: PKK bombing(s) in Ankara has nothing to do with Iraq/Syria but only related to crackdowns in Diyarbakir (or southeastern region in general) after ceasefire ended. Correct. But the latest Istanbul bombing is committed by an ISIS member. | ||
xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
Geneva, SANA – UN Special Envoy for Syria Staffan de Mistura said that next week will be the last in the second round of intra-Syrian dialogue, during which the focus will be on finding common ground between Syrian sides. ...De Mistura asserted that the Russian-American efforts that parallel the dialogue in Geneva are beneficial to pushing forward towards resolving the crisis in Syria, and that the upcoming meeting between Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and US Secretary of State John Kerry will be very important. (the link has a video with his statement also)He also reiterated that intra-Syrian dialogue in Geneva consists of three rounds, after which concrete results will be reached. | ||
xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
Russia and the United States agreed at talks in Moscow yesterday (24 March) to use their influence over the sides in the Syria conflict to speed up progress towards a political solution. Speaking after a four-hour meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin, US Secretary of State John Kerry said Moscow and Washington would try in the next few days to nudge Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad to “make the right decision” about committing fully to peace talks. Negotiations in Geneva between representatives of the Syrian government and opposition are bogged down, and Washington believes that Moscow, closely allied to Assad, can convince Damascus to make concessions. http://en.alalam.ir/news/1801807 Syrian armed forces have entered Palmyra after fierce clashes with ISIS terrorists controlling the ancient city since last year, state media say. On Thursday, Syrian state television said government troops, backed by army air force, drove back ISIS militants and reached the “heart” of the city. Army forces have retaken control of Palmyra’s northern hotel district as well as the farms situated west of the city. Reports said earlier in the day that army soldiers were on the edge of Palmyra, liberating the outskirts of the city, located in the western province of Homs. Last May, ISIS Takfiris captured the ruins of Palymra, a UNESCO heritage site, and the adjacent modern city, destroying ancient monuments there, including the 2,000-year-old Temple of Bel and the iconic Arch of Triumph. The so-called Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said some 200 ISIS terrorists have been killed since the Syrian army began the military campaign to liberate Palmyra more than two weeks ago. Palmyra’s liberation would deal a significant blow to ISIS terrorists, who have been using the city as a road to the mostly ISIS-held province of Deir Ezzor in Syria’s east. | ||
xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
The Syrian opposition yesterday expressed optimism about the future of the current negotiations that are being held under international auspices to resolve the crisis that has crippled the country for the last five years. The optimism came after the UN envoy Staffan de Mistura presented a document comprising of 12 items that establish basic principles for a solution and “a transition process”. The document was handed over to the delegations of both the regime and the opposition, and the UN envoy said that “no one objected”. The document’s summary includes items on the reform of state institutions in accordance with international standards, the rejection of terrorism and the implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 2254 which guarantees a political transition with full power. The document, which de Mistura said will be the nucleus of the Syrian Constitution, also stipulated the restructuring of the Syrian army along national lines, an assurance that a non-sectarian and democratic state would be established and the protection of women’s rights. De Mistura announced yesterday that he will call for a new round of negotiations to be held on the 9th of April despite the fact that the Syrian regime’s delegation announced earlier that it will not participate in any meetings before the parliamentary elections which it wants to hold on the 13th of April. The Syrian opposition said that it believes that the foundations for the essential peace talks have now been laid. After the High Negotiations Committee (HNC) concluded its talks with the UN envoy, Basma Qadmani, a member of the opposition’s delegation said that “having come to the end of these two weeks, we feel that it is likely that we have laid the foundation for essential negotiations in the coming round”. Abdel Basset Sida, a leader of the Syrian opposition, said the fact that the regime is sitting at the negotiation table for a political transition “confirms that there is a desire to put the political solution train in motion as there is a common framework and general points that can represent essential matters on the agenda of the forthcoming negotiation sessions”. Sida told Asharq Al-Awsat that it is “too early to judge the outcome of negotiations”, and pointed out that “these agreements and general principles that will form the focus of the negotiations are still vague”. | ||
[UoN]Sentinel
United States11320 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
20 March, the syrian proposal http://syrianobserver.com/EN/News/30748/Geneva_Regime_Delegation_Sidesteps_Political_Transition_Demands_Recovery_of_Golan The Syrian government delegation in Geneva is adhering to a document, a copy of which was obtained by al-Hayat, which contains general principles including “the recovery of the Golan up to the June 4, 1967 line,” support for the Syrian army in “fighting terrorism,” ending neighboring countries’ “support of militants” – a reference to the armed opposition – and completely ignores discussion of a “political transition” or of international resolution 2254, which was sponsored by Russia and America. The delegation also asked to change the date of the upcoming round of Geneva negotiations because it coincides with the date of parliamentary elections on April 13. The delegation told diplomatic and media circles close to it that it had not received two documents from the international envoy Staffan de Mistura on the “political transition” and the agenda for the talks, while de Mistura and his team are waiting for written responses from the government and opposition High Negotiations Committee delegations to dozens of questions about the “political transition”, its mechanisms and steps, and the relationship of the security agencies to the transitional authority. During their meeting two days ago, the head of the government delegation, Dr. Bashar al-Jaafari delivered de Mistura a two-page document titled: “Basic elements of a political solution in the Syrian Arab Republic”. It had 10 items, including: “Respect for the sovereignty of Syria, its independence, the integrity of its territory, the unity of its land and people, the inadmissibility of giving up any piece of it, working to restore the occupied Syrian Golan up to the line of June 4, 1967, and rejecting direct or indirect foreign interference in the internal affairs of Syria in any shape or form, while Syrians alone will decide the future of their country by democratic means, through the ballot box, and hold the exclusive right to choose the form of their political system, far from any imposed formula which the Syrian people do not accept.” 25 March, after it ended http://my.xfinity.com/articles/news-general/20160325/Syria.Talks/ Although he succeeded in keeping Syrian government and opposition delegations from walking away from the indirect talks, de Mistura made little headway on getting them to sit around the same table or discuss the U.N. Security Council's envisaged political transition away from President Bashar Assad's government. Still, the fact that the talks did not break off in recrimination as they did the last time — coupled with the relative calm on the ground — underline the limited options left for either side of the conflict. The night before, when asked by a reporter about whether the talks had made progress, Ja'afari said the two sides had worked through some unspecified issues that had existed when the talks began on March 14. i'd say they're still crossing their fingers and hoping for good things to happen."For the first time, we were able to break the impasse, perhaps symbolically and perhaps a bit more in substance, but we have not yet started on substantial matters," he said, according to the Syrian state-run news agency SANA. George Sabra, a senior member of the opposition's High Negotiations Committee, indicated Thursday that his side was committed to continuing talking. "Progress in the talks is difficult, but we will fight this battle as we have fought the war," he told reporters. the meeting between Kerry, Lavrov and Putin in Moscow from couple days ago should have more answers to an eventual solution to this. either way, there are not many details yet. | ||
lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
On March 21 2016 19:09 Laserist wrote: I am not really sure why this temp ban has happened. Kurds in Syria and Turkey are closely related and it is not that off-topic. Correct. But the latest Istanbul bombing is committed by an ISIS member. You cant beat TL mods mindset. Once people were talking about islam here, there were 1-2 pages full of wots and I quoted one of them replied without defending or insulting islam or any other religion, a TL mod banned me again for derailing. When I messaged him it wasnt goddamn me WHO started that religion thing, he said that he didnt even read the thread just entered and saw the irrelevant reported post. If you have over 12k messages in TL, you can talk about anything anywhere but if you are new you have no chance. There is no thread for PKK-ISIS-TURKEY war, THIS ONE can EXPAND and it should. Why bother to create threads one after another when a suicide attacks hits Turkey or Belgium or anywhere if it was KURDS or ISIS. | ||
Impervious
Canada4209 Posts
![]() ![]() Can't believe how little coverage this is getting, especially after what just happened in Belgium..... It's been a pretty bad week for the world as a whole..... | ||
zeo
Serbia6298 Posts
Now archaeologists can start trickling in and start surveying the damage done to world heritage sites. ![]() edit: The airbase to the east was taken yesterday, will update map when I find a new one. edit2: ISIS troops have a long walk back to the next town across desert, they are easily going to be overrun by ether Russian bombers or Syrian troops.... good ![]() ![]() | ||
xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
An interactive tool created by Google was designed to encourage Syrian rebels and help bring down the Assad regime, Hillary Clinton's leaked emails have reportedly revealed. By tracking and mapping defections within the Syrian leadership, it was reportedly designed to encourage more people to defect and 'give confidence' to the rebel opposition. It was allegedly described as a “pretty cool idea” by senior Clinton adviser Jake Sullivan, and Google said it had enlisted the help of Al Jazeera to broadcast the tool in Syria. The email detailing Google's defection tracker purportedly came from Jared Cohen, a Clinton advisor until 2010 and now-President of Jigsaw, formerly known as Google Ideas, the company's New York-based policy think tank. In a July 2012 email to members of Clinton's team, which the WikiLeaks release alleges was later forwarded to the Secretary of State herself, Cohen reportedly said: “My team is planning to launch a tool on Sunday that will publicly track and map the defections in Syria and which parts of the government they are coming from. “Our logic behind this is that while many people are tracking the atrocities, nobody is visually representing and mapping the defections, which we believe are important in encouraging more to defect and giving confidence to the opposition.” The email said Google would be “partnering with Al Jazeera” who would take “primary ownership” of the tool, maintaining it and publicising it in Syria.” The visualisation was eventually published by Al Jazeera in English and Arabic, and Jigsaw's website claims it became one of the site's most-viewed visualisations. A post about the tool on the site claims it successfully showed "patterns and trends" in support for the regime, but makes no mention of encouraging defectors or helping the opposition. | ||
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