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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
rednusa
Profile Joined October 2012
651 Posts
March 27 2016 15:12 GMT
#7261
Google wanted a civil war in Syria?
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3174 Posts
March 27 2016 15:55 GMT
#7262
Sad how everyone forgot how this is all started 5 years ago...
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 15:55:42
March 27 2016 15:55 GMT
#7263
On March 28 2016 00:12 rednusa wrote:
Google wanted a civil war in Syria?

Obviously they acted on behalf of the US government...
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
March 27 2016 19:14 GMT
#7264
Why is David Cameron so silent on the recapture of Palmyra from the clutches of Isis?

The biggest military defeat that isis has suffered in more than two years. The recapture of Palmyra, the Roman city of the Empress Zenobia. And we are silent. Yes, folks, the bad guys won, didn't they? Otherwise, we would all be celebrating, wouldn't we?

Less than a week after the lost souls of the 'Islamic Caliphate' destroyed the lives of more than 30 innocent human beings in Brussels, we should - should we not? - have been clapping our hands at the most crushing military reverse in the history of Isis. But no. As the black masters of execution fled Palmyra this weekend, Messers Obama and Cameron were as silent as the grave to which Isis have dispatched so many of their victims. He who lowered our national flag in honour of the head-chopping king of Arabia (I'm talking about Dave, of course) said not a word.

As my long-dead colleague on the Sunday Express, John Gordon, used to say, makes you sit up a bit, doesn't it? Here are the Syrian army, backed, of course, by Vladimir Putin's Russkies, chucking the clowns of Isis out of town, and we daren't utter a single word to say well done.

When Palmyra fell last year, we predicted the fall of Bashar al-Assad. We ignored, were silent on, the Syrian army's big question: why, if the Americans hated Isis so much, didn't they bomb the suicide convoys that broke through the Syrian army's front lines? Why didn't they attack Isis?

“If the Americans wanted to destroy Isis, why didn't they bomb them when they saw them?” a Syrian army general asked me, after his soldiers' defeat His son had been killed defending Homs. His men had been captured and head-chopped in the Roman ruins. The Syrian official in charge of the Roman ruins (of which we cared so much, remember?) was himself beheaded. Isis even put his spectacles back on top of his decapitated head, for fun. And we were silent then.

Putin noticed this, and talked about it, and accurately predicted the retaking of Palmyra. His aircraft attacked Isis - as US planes did not - in advance of the Syrian army's conquest. I could not help but smile when I read that the US command claimed two air strikes against Isis around Palmyra in the days leading up to its recapture by the regime. That really did tell you all you needed to know about the American "war on terror". They wanted to destroy Isis, but not that much.

So in the end, it was the Syrian army and its Hizballah chums from Lebanon and the Iranians and the Russians who drove the Isis murderers out of Palmyra, and who may - heavens preserve us from such a success - even storm the Isis Syrian 'capital' of Raqqa. I have written many times that the Syrian army will decide the future of Syria. If they grab back Raqqa - and Deir el-Zour, where the Nusrah front destroyed the church of the Armenian genocide and threw the bones of the long-dead 1915 Christian victims into the streets - I promise you we will be silent again.

Aren't we supposed to be destroying Isis? Forget it. That's Putin's job. And Assad's. Pray for peace, folks. That's what it's about, isn't it? And Geneva. Where is that, exactly?


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/why-is-david-cameron-so-silent-on-the-recapture-of-palmyra-from-the-clutches-of-isis-a6955406.html
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 20:01:00
March 27 2016 19:59 GMT
#7265
^
What a bs article. Hard to find a sentence I do not object to.
But to make it short, in the European press the Americans get much less coverage for their actions vs ISIS than the Russians. Especially in relation to the amount of assets used. Noone even knows about the Kurdish successes on the northern front and this author fails to mention them as well of course.
Off-season = best season
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 20:23:16
March 27 2016 20:18 GMT
#7266
Biggest blow to ISIS in 2 years. I'm sure its no big deal.

Why are the Anglo-Saxon media ignoring coalition efforts in Syria according to you? Must be all the super top secret one or two bombs dropped a day that are hitting ISIS so hard they are just dropping their weapons and going home to Europe they don't want us to know about. Good job Obama you saved the middle east but the evil mass media news outlets don't won't to give you a win! They must love Putin! Thats it!

And the Kurds get round the clock coverage of every meter they take from ISIS.

edit: just look at this shit show:



State department has basically become a salt mine.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 20:38:25
March 27 2016 20:24 GMT
#7267
On March 28 2016 05:18 zeo wrote:
Biggest blow to ISIS in 2 years. I'm sure its no big deal.

Why are the Anglo-Saxon media ignoring coalition efforts in Syria according to you? Must be all the super top secret one or two bombs dropped a day that are hitting ISIS so hard they are just dropping their weapons and going home to Europe

Simply because noone cares about it it. The US is just doing what they have been doing for years, so it is not interesting. Russia doing some military action for once is much more interesting. Also you can be a little edgy by pointing it out like the author you quoted.


Also idk if you are misinformed or trying to misinform, but the numbers I see on wikipedia look pretty different:

As of March 9, 2016, nearly 11,000 airstrikes have been launched on ISIL (and occasionally Al-Nusra), killing over 27,000 fighters[104] and striking over 22,000 targets, including 139 tanks, 371 Humvees, and 1,216 pieces of oil infrastructure. Approximately 80% of these airstrikes have been conducted by American forces, with the remaining 20% being launched by other members of the coalition, such as the United Kingdom and Australia.


Now they may play up their numbers, but 1 or 2 bombs a day is simply nonsense.
Off-season = best season
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
March 27 2016 21:34 GMT
#7268
Also, the recapture of Palmyra is front page news, at least over here. So no conspiracy there, sorry.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18371 Posts
March 27 2016 22:17 GMT
#7269
On March 28 2016 05:18 zeo wrote:
Biggest blow to ISIS in 2 years. I'm sure its no big deal.

Why are the Anglo-Saxon media ignoring coalition efforts in Syria according to you? Must be all the super top secret one or two bombs dropped a day that are hitting ISIS so hard they are just dropping their weapons and going home to Europe they don't want us to know about. Good job Obama you saved the middle east but the evil mass media news outlets don't won't to give you a win! They must love Putin! Thats it!

And the Kurds get round the clock coverage of every meter they take from ISIS.

edit: just look at this shit show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxs7yog_CjM

State department has basically become a salt mine.

All I really got from that video is that all the competent people left the building and a balding middle-aged intern is in charge of press relations.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
March 28 2016 06:44 GMT
#7270
On March 28 2016 06:34 zatic wrote:
Also, the recapture of Palmyra is front page news, at least over here. So no conspiracy there, sorry.

Who said it wasn't front page news...?
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
March 28 2016 19:57 GMT
#7271
Oh my bad, must have misread. I though you were pointing at supposedly lack of coverage of the recapture in Western media. Never mind.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
March 29 2016 12:33 GMT
#7272
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/world/2016-03/29/content_24168497.htm
BEIJING - China has appointed a special envoy for the Syrian issue, indicating a more active role in addressing the conflict.

Xie Xiaoyan, former ambassador to Iran and Ethiopia as well as representative to the African Union, has been appointed to the post, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Hong Lei said at a regular news briefing on Tuesday.

"Xie, with a rich understanding of Middle East affairs, will fulfill his mission," Hong said.

With the Syrian issue "at a crucial stage for settlement," China has named the special envoy to better promote dialogue, contribute Chinese wisdom and communicate with other parties to facilitate a proper solution, Hong said.

Syrian government troops and the opposition are implementing a ceasefire agreement, and humanitarian assistance is progressing. The latest round of Syrian peace talks wrapped up on Thursday in Geneva.

As a permanent member of the UN Security Council, China has played a constructive role in addressing the Syrian issue. China advocates political settlement as the only solution, supports the UN's leading role and has provided humanitarian aid to Syria and surrounding countries, the spokesperson added.
i can't tell what this is all about except that it should count for something as far as negotiations go; looks fairly symbolic thou.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
March 29 2016 15:58 GMT
#7273
The civilian family members of US servicemen just got told to leave Turkey.

Mostly out of Incirlik. 700 or so people.

STUTTGART, Germany – The Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of State, has authorized the ordered departure of all DoD dependents not assigned to Chief of Mission authority from Adana (to include Incirlik Air Base), Ismir, and Mugla, Turkey. This decision allows for the deliberate, safe return of family members from these areas due to continued security concerns in the region.


eucom.dodlive.mil
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 07:17:57
March 30 2016 07:17 GMT
#7274
Holy fucking shit.
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The psychology of humanity being shown in these two pictures says a lot about those involved in the war and those not watching from afar. Almost like a gladiator and the audience.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
March 30 2016 08:33 GMT
#7275
but it's fine, since you can ban them on the internet and then pretend they don't exist; ... because bubbles are win.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
March 30 2016 09:39 GMT
#7276
On March 30 2016 17:33 xM(Z wrote:
but it's fine, since you can ban them on the internet and then pretend they don't exist; ... because bubbles are win.

Meh, when you see a child rapist or something get caught in your country there will always be comments like 'ill gourge out his eyes' 'dont send him to jail skin him alive', but very very very few people would actually go through with it. Its just people acting like keyboard warriors. When a 12 year old kid says he will rape you on the internet you laugh and get on with your life. Same goes for these judges.

That said when they catch ISIS goons that were seen in propaganda videos holding the severed heads of women while laughing... you understand that a few people would like to skip the due process.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18371 Posts
March 30 2016 11:31 GMT
#7277
That frightful moment when zeo sounds sensible.

I think the main problem with that picture is that whoever caught an ISIS soldier, thought it would be a good idea to ask the internet for advice on what to do with him.

Reminds me a bit of the Luther season where they have a serial killer going after criminals and asking "the public" whether they should be murdered. Mob justice has never been justice, and the anonimity of the internet just makes it worse.

The ISIS soldier should be thrown in jail/PoW camp, and then investigated for crimes against humanity. He should then be punished accordingly, or released after the war is over as per Geneva conventions. Just because your opponent is the scum of the earth, doesn't mean you should stoop to their level.
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 12:29:19
March 30 2016 12:25 GMT
#7278
explanations aside, i was mostly questioning his outrage(first time out of his bubble and BOOM, he meets evil head on) and getting the psychology of humanity involved in all that looked very instinctual(which is somewhat ironic).
+ Show Spoiler +
ps: i lost my e-cherry to one of those adds with "you're the 100000000 viewer, phone here to claim X prize".
men, i hated those fuckers for years and hoped they die slow and agonizing deaths.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 13:59:41
March 30 2016 13:55 GMT
#7279
On March 30 2016 21:25 xM(Z wrote:
explanations aside, i was mostly questioning his outrage(first time out of his bubble and BOOM, he meets evil head on) and getting the psychology of humanity involved in all that looked very instinctual(which is somewhat ironic).
+ Show Spoiler +
ps: i lost my e-cherry to one of those adds with "you're the 100000000 viewer, phone here to claim X prize".
men, i hated those fuckers for years and hoped they die slow and agonizing deaths.

Does the fact that it's rather unique to the history of social media and war make it not worth discussing and instead make this about "You sheltered little boy, I have seen the bestgores and what war does to the mind through the internet. The blue pill is strong with this one."
So goddamn petty and childish
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 14:32:29
March 30 2016 14:31 GMT
#7280
On March 30 2016 21:25 xM(Z wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
ps: i lost my e-cherry to one of those adds with "you're the 100000000 viewer, phone here to claim X prize".
men, i hated those fuckers for years and hoped they die slow and agonizing deaths.

You seem to get conned on the internet very often. This is what, the 3rd time now?

Btw, I got a Nigerian prince who wants to transfer some money to your account for safekeeping. You can keep half of it when the country is safe for him to return. Are you interested?
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