Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 347

Kwark, i personally address you for the second time, please stop lying. You're misinforming people with gratuitous assumptions to make them fit in your personal bush-typo ideology. Turkey was not, never, ever french level secular. Actually, Turkish society is getting more and more secular under Erdogan rule. Erdogan himself expressed many times that he is unhappy about the current youth, he wants a religious generation, however he had an indirect contribution by letting western investments, doubling private tv channels, universities and building huge metropoles. Those tv channels copied series like THE OC, DALLAS etc. and young generations started to cut their traditional half islamic ties from their parents slowly as economic growth boosted their social standards. When Erdogan administration came to rule, their primary goal was getting into EU, they made every possible reform to catch-up EU principals including returning rights to kurds and civil constitution reforms.

Coming from an Islamic society:


Military in Turkey was ultra secular and nationalistic at pan-turkist lvl after Ataturk. They were as fascist as Mussolini.

[Salutations from Kemalist Turkey to fascist Italy]

If bashing kurdish existence and religious people with non-democratic coup constitution is considered western secular moderate, yes there army were. They were trying to ban everything KURDISH whenever they find it, or blacklisting every leftist or religious people they find. But there were kurds and there were religious people all around the Anatolia, they could not stop all. Sooner or later they came into rule, won elections. Military got angry and made-up some bullshit propaganda to cover up their first coup. They tortured many leftist and religious people. Then again non-kemalist administration won the elections, they made the second coup. Same things again. They were almost doing the same thing to Erdogan but they failed horribly, because Erdogan had public and international support, plus, army was anti-nato during that time. Turkish army, for centuries till today, was the core element preventing Turkey to be more modernist/western.They were pan-turkist for decades even when they were Janissaries early18th. Do you know how many Sultans were murdered by them? Their intervenience to politics is an old tradition that doubled itself with Ataturk rule, thats all.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Cabinets_of_Turkey
Turkey was %90 more islamic when Ataturk ruled, they never lived a day without Islam, but their Islam never switched its fight to armed struggle to establish a caliphate when they had the chance during coups or reformist killing machine Ataturk time. Erdogan's problem isn't religion or his desires to religious generations. His ideology was oppressed for so long that he can no longer leave its aggression and return to a stable position to take criticism, additionally he is as nationalistic as any other dude in the country, he went to the same schools that shaped by militaristic coups.