On November 10 2014 09:37 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: You are worried about PKK? Peshmerga is refusing Arabs to return to their homes in the far north of Iraq. The peshmerga is becoming as sectarian as ISIS. This is only going to make matters worse..
Sry if i missed anything but the only person i seen in that video that said he didn't want the Arabs that helped ISIS back was a random resident, and i don't think he is peshmerga but if you have any articles talking about that i would like to read.
You do realize, as far as Peshmerga and Kurdish nationalists (which includes Rudaw, which is very nationalistic media and very anti-Arab) are concerned, the Arabs are ALL complicit with ISIS? Contrary to common myths, Kurdish nationalists are pretty bigoted people. They had riots in August supporting to purge the Arabs from the Kurdistan region. KRG doesn't like to release census ethnic breakdown results, so there's no exact figure, but good luck removing 100,000s of people.
Then again, before the US media started glorifying them in the 1990s to oppose and snub Saddam, no one even knew what a Kurd was. lol
They've been banning Arabs from entering Kurdish controlled towns. So it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't allow Arabs refugees or returning people to enter.
Here's one article about Kurdish banning entrance to Arabs. They don't allow any Arabs in because in nationalistic logic, Arab = ISIS.
Considering many of the people in the Kurdistan Region aren't even Kurds, and many are Arab, you can see how their policies are rather counter-productive and pretty sectarian.
This isn't just a Kurdish thing, Shia militias have been cleansing areas of Sunnis and of course ISIS will murder anyone who isn't Sunni in any area they control. The reality is also there are a lot of Sunnis who support ISIS and while it's no excuse to exclude refugees the likelihood is some of those who enter Peshmerga territory will not have the best intentions and may form ISIS sleeper cells/commit bombings etc. Accounts of Sunni households taking potshots from their roofs at night at Iraqi army soldiers and then acting aggrieved when they are shot back at or evicted demonstrates the messiness of the problem the government faces at the moment.
On November 10 2014 09:37 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: You are worried about PKK? Peshmerga is refusing Arabs to return to their homes in the far north of Iraq. The peshmerga is becoming as sectarian as ISIS. This is only going to make matters worse..
Sry if i missed anything but the only person i seen in that video that said he didn't want the Arabs that helped ISIS back was a random resident, and i don't think he is peshmerga but if you have any articles talking about that i would like to read.
You do realize, as far as Peshmerga and Kurdish nationalists (which includes Rudaw, which is very nationalistic media and very anti-Arab) are concerned, the Arabs are ALL complicit with ISIS? Contrary to common myths, Kurdish nationalists are pretty bigoted people. They had riots in August supporting to purge the Arabs from the Kurdistan region. KRG doesn't like to release census ethnic breakdown results, so there's no exact figure, but good luck removing 100,000s of people.
Then again, before the US media started glorifying them in the 1990s to oppose and snub Saddam, no one even knew what a Kurd was. lol
They've been banning Arabs from entering Kurdish controlled towns. So it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't allow Arabs refugees or returning people to enter.
Here's one article about Kurdish banning entrance to Arabs. They don't allow any Arabs in because in nationalistic logic, Arab = ISIS.
Considering many of the people in the Kurdistan Region aren't even Kurds, and many are Arab, you can see how their policies are rather counter-productive and pretty sectarian.
But in that video you posted there was only one random dude saying he wouldn't welcome the return of arabs that supported isis.
Yezidi father is reunited with his daughter freed from Isis.
Egypt’s most active jihadi group, Ansar Beit al-Maqdis, has disclosed its allegiance to Islamic State, becoming one of the largest militant bodies to pledge loyalty to Isis outside its strongholds in Iraq and Syria.
In a nine-minute audio recording released early on Monday, a spokesman for ABM said: “In accordance with the teachings of the Prophet, we announce our allegiance to the Caliphate, and call on Muslims everywhere to do the same.” The message attempted to justify its pledge by alluding to violations by the Egyptian state, which has crackec down on most forms of opposition over the last year, in particular in the region where ABM is based.
The group has fought an insurgency against the Egyptian military and police in the remote towns of the northern Sinai peninsula since at least 2011, increasing its attacks after the army removed the moderate Islamist president Mohamed Morsi in July 2013.
On November 10 2014 18:19 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On November 10 2014 18:00 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On November 10 2014 09:37 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: You are worried about PKK? Peshmerga is refusing Arabs to return to their homes in the far north of Iraq. The peshmerga is becoming as sectarian as ISIS. This is only going to make matters worse..
Sry if i missed anything but the only person i seen in that video that said he didn't want the Arabs that helped ISIS back was a random resident, and i don't think he is peshmerga but if you have any articles talking about that i would like to read.
You do realize, as far as Peshmerga and Kurdish nationalists (which includes Rudaw, which is very nationalistic media and very anti-Arab) are concerned, the Arabs are ALL complicit with ISIS? Contrary to common myths, Kurdish nationalists are pretty bigoted people. They had riots in August supporting to purge the Arabs from the Kurdistan region. KRG doesn't like to release census ethnic breakdown results, so there's no exact figure, but good luck removing 100,000s of people.
Then again, before the US media started glorifying them in the 1990s to oppose and snub Saddam, no one even knew what a Kurd was. lol
They've been banning Arabs from entering Kurdish controlled towns. So it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't allow Arabs refugees or returning people to enter.
Here's one article about Kurdish banning entrance to Arabs. They don't allow any Arabs in because in nationalistic logic, Arab = ISIS.
Considering many of the people in the Kurdistan Region aren't even Kurds, and many are Arab, you can see how their policies are rather counter-productive and pretty sectarian.
But in that video you posted there was only one random dude saying he wouldn't welcome the return of arabs that supported isis.
Yeah, and I just showed you in the article I posted that Kurds reject Arabs regardless, even if the husband is Kurdish and the wife isn't, she'll be refused. Like I also said, the Kurdish actions reflect that they just assume anyone who is Sunni in northern Iraq is complicit with ISIS. You're under the assumption they like Arabs. They really don't, believe it or not, and it has nothing to do with ISIS. ISIS makes for a good justification for current policies though. If they had their way, they'd purge KRG and purge Kirkuk.
The Kurds don't want Arabs among them. It's as simple as that. They're hardly non-sectarian or benevolent. I don't see why you're defending bigotry and nationalistic policies. It;s just the way these things are. They also want Kirkuk, which 20% or less Kurdish lol. I'm surprised the national govt. hasn't spoken on this matter yet. I guess it's a smaller priority than fighting ISIS. Anyways, on a few occasions, Shia militias have done similar, so I don't see why you're surprised.
On November 10 2014 18:19 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On November 10 2014 18:00 ImFromPortugal wrote:
On November 10 2014 09:37 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: You are worried about PKK? Peshmerga is refusing Arabs to return to their homes in the far north of Iraq. The peshmerga is becoming as sectarian as ISIS. This is only going to make matters worse..
Sry if i missed anything but the only person i seen in that video that said he didn't want the Arabs that helped ISIS back was a random resident, and i don't think he is peshmerga but if you have any articles talking about that i would like to read.
You do realize, as far as Peshmerga and Kurdish nationalists (which includes Rudaw, which is very nationalistic media and very anti-Arab) are concerned, the Arabs are ALL complicit with ISIS? Contrary to common myths, Kurdish nationalists are pretty bigoted people. They had riots in August supporting to purge the Arabs from the Kurdistan region. KRG doesn't like to release census ethnic breakdown results, so there's no exact figure, but good luck removing 100,000s of people.
Then again, before the US media started glorifying them in the 1990s to oppose and snub Saddam, no one even knew what a Kurd was. lol
They've been banning Arabs from entering Kurdish controlled towns. So it makes perfect sense that they wouldn't allow Arabs refugees or returning people to enter.
Here's one article about Kurdish banning entrance to Arabs. They don't allow any Arabs in because in nationalistic logic, Arab = ISIS.
Considering many of the people in the Kurdistan Region aren't even Kurds, and many are Arab, you can see how their policies are rather counter-productive and pretty sectarian.
This isn't just a Kurdish thing, Shia militias have been cleansing areas of Sunnis and of course ISIS will murder anyone who isn't Sunni in any area they control. The reality is also there are a lot of Sunnis who support ISIS and while it's no excuse to exclude refugees the likelihood is some of those who enter Peshmerga territory will not have the best intentions and may form ISIS sleeper cells/commit bombings etc. Accounts of Sunni households taking potshots from their roofs at night at Iraqi army soldiers and then acting aggrieved when they are shot back at or evicted demonstrates the messiness of the problem the government faces at the moment.
I know this all too well, except we weren't talking about Shia militias so there's no point in bringing it up. No one denies Shia militas have done similar. There's a lot of Kurdish apologism though.
there are a lot of Sunnis who support ISIS
Proof please. I'd say they're in a pretty small minority, not "a lot". Because yeah, I'm pretty sure the wife of a Kurdish guy supports ISIS such that she's banned from entering Irbil. Hell, there's even some Kurds who support ISIS believe it or not. The priority for the Kurds isn't to bar potential ISIS members like people with long-timeArab relatives in KRG or family of a Kurdish guy from entering, it's that they want to keep Arabs out. This is also the reason they don't allow Arabs to rent and stuff in cities in KRG lately. The nationalists are extremely anti-Arab. They're already pissed that there's always been a lot of Arabs in KRG even before this. "Arabization" was pretty successful, ya know.
There's nothing to it except straight up bigotry by the Kurds. Same goes with the Shia militias.
On November 09 2014 10:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On November 09 2014 07:58 Sub40APM wrote: US has been training the Iraqi army for the last 10 years now. What are these extra trainers going to accomplish "When you see a couple of jeeps full of jihadists, dont drop your weapons and run away" 101?
With all due respect, are you joking mate? Let me give you a brief history of the last few years in case you're out of the loop.
While the Iraqi military in 2011 was far less organized, equipped, and effective than the old Baath military, it was still in decent shape. However, Maliki removed many of the commanders, especially if they were Sunni, and put in his own loyalists who, to put it bluntly, weren't exactly officers and certainly were not competent by any means.
Do you even know what happened in June? ISIS came in, and Maliki's goons left and told all the soldiers under their command to leave as well. That's what happened.
However, the second ISIS hit a division not run by Maliki's deserting goon "officers", they were stopped.
Do you know what happened since late August? Lots of military reforms. Abadi purges the military of Maliki's buddies, including the Iraqi equivalent of the US Chief of Staff of the Army. He pushed reforms, brought back officers removed by Maliki, even brought back old Baath guys who were banned since 2003. Obeidi was appointed Defense Minister and carried on with the same actions. Having been a senior air force officer, he's the least happiest guy about the northern divisions in June.
The Iraqi military in October/November has practically liberated two major provinces, and is currently in a huge offensive in Saladin that has liberated Baiji and parts of Tikrit. There is no "running from a couple of jeeps." Just 1,000s of dead terrorists. Even US generals are commending them, like John Kirby and Lloyd Austin.
In all of this, the Iraqi Golden Division (special forces) has been exhibiting some of the best COIN we've seen.
So no, there's no need for " "When you see a couple of jeeps full of jihadists, dont drop your weapons and run away" 101. " The Iraqi military already took care of that themselves.
Nothing in your post disproves my point. The Americans have wasted billions training and arming the Iraqi army, then in comes in a generic representative of an Arab politician, guts 8 years of American work and voila, useless rabble, only capable of offensive operations after the return of active combat elements of a functioning Army -- whether Iranians or the Americans, you can pick. So once again, America is going to pour down the same black hole some more money, some more equipment and in another year or two when the Shiites are no longer terrified theyll once again purge the Sunnis and back to square one. A patronage distribution system masquerading itself as an army will always depend on foreigners in the face of a dedicated foe, even if the foe in military terms is suicidal and retarded.
Actually, everything in my post disproved your point. Maliki is gone. He's not calling any shots anymore. His actions that made the military what it was in June have already been dealt with and reversed, with lots more reforms to come as well. Maliki was truly one of a kind. This isn't a "gonna happen again in 1-2 years".
Right. A sectarian dictator in a region famous for sectarian dictators is a one off affair on and from now on everything will work well. Shiites will not once again go forward and try to enforce Shiite authoritarianism once the total threat of ISIS fades away.
The fact you're completely ignoring how Maliki's polices are responsible for everything, such as the evisceration of the military command and the sectarianist policies against Sunni Arabs and Kurds, which is necessary to consider in order to look at the matter correctly.
I am not ignoring it. I am pointing out the obvious that Arab society is organized around patronage networks, that its inevitable that once the Shiites no longer fear being overrun by ISIS they will once again return to the old pattern of patronage and corruption and once again undermine Sunni local elites.
And trust me, I can for sure tell you that US training isn't bad. The Iraqi army we left in 2011 was lacking for equipment but was a pretty solid force.
Why should I trust you? America has a history of training armies of their dependent regimes poorly. With a small elite unit trained up to near Western level used by the locals mostly to oppress other locals while a much larger, lethargic army acts as an employment scheme and a black hole for American funds.
And actually, ISIS makes every Islamic insurgent group combined look like a bunch of amateurs. I'd hardly call them "retarded" in military terms.
They are spectacularly retarded. They ride around in huge, soft skin truck conveys during the day time. They take territory and put flags on top of it. They capture and then hold onto heavy equipment that they cant defend from an airborne foe. They genuinely bought into the idea that they are a state and are giving the American airforce the perfect target to take apart. But you are right, they are the tallest midget of Sunni insurgent groups.
On November 09 2014 13:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On November 09 2014 12:55 Sub40APM wrote:
On November 09 2014 10:18 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
On November 09 2014 07:58 Sub40APM wrote: US has been training the Iraqi army for the last 10 years now. What are these extra trainers going to accomplish "When you see a couple of jeeps full of jihadists, dont drop your weapons and run away" 101?
With all due respect, are you joking mate? Let me give you a brief history of the last few years in case you're out of the loop.
While the Iraqi military in 2011 was far less organized, equipped, and effective than the old Baath military, it was still in decent shape. However, Maliki removed many of the commanders, especially if they were Sunni, and put in his own loyalists who, to put it bluntly, weren't exactly officers and certainly were not competent by any means.
Do you even know what happened in June? ISIS came in, and Maliki's goons left and told all the soldiers under their command to leave as well. That's what happened.
However, the second ISIS hit a division not run by Maliki's deserting goon "officers", they were stopped.
Do you know what happened since late August? Lots of military reforms. Abadi purges the military of Maliki's buddies, including the Iraqi equivalent of the US Chief of Staff of the Army. He pushed reforms, brought back officers removed by Maliki, even brought back old Baath guys who were banned since 2003. Obeidi was appointed Defense Minister and carried on with the same actions. Having been a senior air force officer, he's the least happiest guy about the northern divisions in June.
The Iraqi military in October/November has practically liberated two major provinces, and is currently in a huge offensive in Saladin that has liberated Baiji and parts of Tikrit. There is no "running from a couple of jeeps." Just 1,000s of dead terrorists. Even US generals are commending them, like John Kirby and Lloyd Austin.
In all of this, the Iraqi Golden Division (special forces) has been exhibiting some of the best COIN we've seen.
So no, there's no need for " "When you see a couple of jeeps full of jihadists, dont drop your weapons and run away" 101. " The Iraqi military already took care of that themselves.
Nothing in your post disproves my point. The Americans have wasted billions training and arming the Iraqi army, then in comes in a generic representative of an Arab politician, guts 8 years of American work and voila, useless rabble, only capable of offensive operations after the return of active combat elements of a functioning Army -- whether Iranians or the Americans, you can pick. So once again, America is going to pour down the same black hole some more money, some more equipment and in another year or two when the Shiites are no longer terrified theyll once again purge the Sunnis and back to square one. A patronage distribution system masquerading itself as an army will always depend on foreigners in the face of a dedicated foe, even if the foe in military terms is suicidal and retarded.
Actually, everything in my post disproved your point. Maliki is gone. He's not calling any shots anymore. His actions that made the military what it was in June have already been dealt with and reversed, with lots more reforms to come as well. Maliki was truly one of a kind. This isn't a "gonna happen again in 1-2 years".
Right. A sectarian dictator in a region famous for sectarian dictators is a one off affair on and from now on everything will work well. Shiites will not once again go forward and try to enforce Shiite authoritarianism once the total threat of ISIS fades away.
Actually, you are making a comment that's extremely contrary to Iraqi history. If you only know Iraqi history since 2003, only then will you think sectarianism was always an issue (which it wasn't). It was eons more cohesive between Sunni/Shia. As in, the intermarriage rate was about a third which is a lot more than Protestants and Catholics in the US, which is significantly less religious than Iraq. Baghdad was a pretty peaceful city and the neighborhoods used to be really intertwined. It wasn't even a thing to talk about one's sect. If you want to go argue with Iraqis about that, be my guest. Even the Christians who aren't a part of Sunni/Shia stuff say the same, and before 2003, the Christians had no trouble living in Iraq. Obviously, since 2003, we've seen an exodus of over a million of them, but that's for another story.
Maliki was particularly sectarian. And you see the problem is Sunni Arabs and Kurds aren't 10% of the population, like in Iran for example. They're 40+%. He specifically stigmatized and marginalized anyone who wasn't a Shiite and pro-Iran loyalist of his.
Most Mideast/N. African leaders were pretty terrible. Iraqi ones were actually pretty decent. Even when the leaders weren't good, their governments at least were.
Even after the terribly costly 8-year Iran-Iraq War, Iraq was among the top in the developing world in terms of HDI and other indicators, meaning, if you were in the developing world in 1990, it was a relatively-speaking good place to live. Obviously, it came within no comparison of developed countries, because that's just how that works.
Let's compare Iraqi leaders: > King Faisal: Pretty good at keeping Iraq united and calm, but he wasn't well-liked and was a total sellout to UK and US interests. Sectarianism not a problem in Iraq.
> Abdul Kareem Qassim: Extremely popular leader. The man's been dead for 50 years but even to this day Iraqis speak well of him. Sectarianism not a problem in Iraq.
> Arif&Arif bros.: Dumbass pro-Nasserists put into power by the CIA-led coup against Qassim. Sectarianism not a problem in Iraq.
> Al-Bakr: Not a terrible guy. Seriously kicked off Iraq's growth in the 70s. Reluctantly saved Hafez Assad's ass in Egypt's and Syria's last war against Israel. Sectarianism was not a problem in Iraq.
> Saddam: Fucking dumbass village idiot from near Tikrit. He was practically the top-guy in Iraqi politics long before he even officially became President. Still, he was good at keeping things cool with smart interior diplomacy with some touches of brutality. When Khomeini called on Iraqi Shia to overthrow Iraq and replace it with a jihadist Islamic theocracy like Khomeini's, they instead picked up arms and fought against Khomeini. Made many enemies, but sectarianism was not a problem in Iraq. Society was still pretty cohesive, 1/3 of marriages between Sunni and Shia, very peaceful mixed cities/neighborhoods, etc. even during the 12 year full embargo.
>Maliki: Sectarianism becomes a HUGE problem in Iraq with terribly bloody sectarian violence. Maliki stokes the flames as much as he can and refuses every single demand made by Sunni communities. How did Maliki respond? Violence and massacres.
Now here's an important contrast. When Khomeini called on Shia to overthrow Saddam, they instead served in the military against Khomeini. However, when ISIS entered Iraq, the Sunni were so oppressed and fed up with Maliki, that they didn't fight against ISIS at first.
Now you know a brief history of sectarianism in Iraq. It's actually a pretty new phenomenon.
I am not ignoring it. I am pointing out the obvious that Arab society is organized around patronage networks, that its inevitable that once the Shiites no longer fear being overrun by ISIS they will once again return to the old pattern of patronage and corruption and once again undermine Sunni local elites.
I think if Iraq before the US invasion and Maliki could have a peaceful society for 70 years, minus the sporadic Kurdish insurgency across the decades which is something pls no ty and myself have pointed out, the CIA-led 1963 coup, and the 1959 Mosul uprising that happened for the stupid reason that Qassim didn't want to join the United Arab Republic (ya know, the one that collapsed in no time), then I think the new regime can continue that.
The new regime is led by the most Westernized politician in the Mideast. He spent over 20 years as a proper British citizen, with a PhD in engineering. He's a technocrat, and that's honestly as good as you're going to get. Do you know what Maliki's history was? 20+ years learning how to be an Islamic fanatic in Iran and pro-Iran groups in Syria.
You're seriously underestimating how much effort Maliki went through to make Iraq by far the most sectarian it's ever been. The man practically moved mountains.
Honestly, there is ZERO comparison between Abadi and Maliki. Also don't forget, all the Baath guys he's bringing back into the military and government is a big counterbalance to Iranian-backed Shiite radicals. Even the Defense Minister Obeidi was a prominent Baath air force officer. He and Abadi have purged the military of Maliki's sectarianist stooges and patronage.
Contrary to your claim, Abadi has actually been getting rid of the patronage, the corruption, the pro-Maliki/Iran goons, and the sectarianism, even with the Iranian pressure to do the opposite. Overall, I see absolutely no basis to your hypothetical scenario.
Why should I trust you? America has a history of training armies of their dependent regimes poorly. With a small elite unit trained up to near Western level used by the locals mostly to oppress other locals while a much larger, lethargic army acts as an employment scheme and a black hole for American funds.
You're right, I only observed things and didn't get to see all the data and reports and surveys. One doesn't see the whole picture on administrative things like that unless they're a top-notch officer
However, if you're not going to trust me, then you should trust been lots of statements you can even find in the news and military press with statements from tons of generals that say the Iraqi military was an effective force in 2011, and it was. However, Maliki then purged its officers and made it terrible.
The fact you're denying that Maliki literally eviscerated the military structure is damning. To claim that the Iraqi military was in the same shape (and not significantly worse) as it was in 2011 is well.. not correct.
If ISIS attacked in 2011, they would have been destroyed the instant they tried to enter Iraq. Why? Iraq's military structure hadn't been destroyed by Maliki yet.
Moreso, the fact you're implying that this was ever a problem in the Iraqi military before Maliki is even more damning. The old Iraqi army was a highly organized and effective fighting force.
Don't blame the US military for the faults of a terrible dictator AFTER we left.
Regardless, you do have a point. The Iraqi military that the Iraqis built up themselves over the decades before 2003 was still infinitely better than the one the Americans made. It's pretty sad when you think about it.
They are spectacularly retarded. They ride around in huge, soft skin truck conveys during the day time. They take territory and put flags on top of it. They capture and then hold onto heavy equipment that they cant defend from an airborne foe. They genuinely bought into the idea that they are a state and are giving the American airforce the perfect target to take apart. But you are right, they are the tallest midget of Sunni insurgent groups.
Not always. They're usually pretty lowkey, however, you have to go out in the open for logistical purposes, and US and Iraqi intelligence is pretty damn good, so ISIS gets caught a lot more than they'd like. ISIS fights entirely in typical insurgency style. Suicide bombings, sleeper cells, surprise attacks. They're basically Al Qaeda on massive amounts of steroids.
They genuinely bought into the idea that they are a state and are giving the American airforce the perfect target to take apart.
Yeah, and the US and Iraq can hardly get targets. Why? ISIS is actually pretty good at hiding, even with the tons of intel going on. Everyone knows that they "hold territory" in Mosul or Tikrit, but airstrikes are fairly limited and do limited damage because it's impossible to know where they are 99% of the time. They often wear civilian clothes and blend in. Most ISIS assaults are supplemented by "sleeper cells" in the attacked district who just come out of nowhere and join the fight, taking everyone by surprise.
But yeah, ISIS is a lot more powerful and good at what they do compared to past insurgencies during the Iraq War or Al Qaeda or Taliban or Hamas or the Sinai terrorists and all the others. Those guys lacked the effectiveness, tactics, and strength ISIS has by a huge margin. They're by far the strongest Islamic radical group we've seen to date. I wouldn't call them "midget militant groups" either. They sure as hell gave us a lot of headache.
The Islamic State has created a 10-man 'strategic planning wing' with a master plan on how to wage war against the Pakistani military, according to government memo - @NBCNews
US does not have information to corroborate reports that Islamic State leader Baghdadi was either killed or wounded, Pentagon says - @Reuters
A former member of ISIS has revealed the extent to which the cooperation of the Turkish military allows the terrorist group, who now control large parts of Iraq and Syria, to travel through Turkish territory to reinforce fighters battling Kurdish forces.
A reluctant former communications technician working for Islamic State, now going by the pseudonym ‘Sherko Omer’, who managed to escape the group, told Newsweek that he travelled in a convoy of trucks as part of an ISIS unit from their stronghold in Raqqa, across Turkish border, through Turkey and then back across the border to attack Syrian Kurds in the city of Serekaniye in northern Syria in February.
“ISIS commanders told us to fear nothing at all because there was full cooperation with the Turks,” said Omer of crossing the border into Turkey, “and they reassured us that nothing will happen, especially when that is how they regularly travel from Raqqa and Aleppo to the Kurdish areas further northeast of Syria because it was impossible to travel through Syria as YPG [National Army of Syrian Kurdistan] controlled most parts of the Kurdish region.”
And pkk controls (or checks) all eastern turkish border. It is impossible to enter turkish soil without detection of Kurds because those areas called as Kurdistan. So you say, isis entered to kurdistan to slip pass into Syrian kurdistan. Can you imagine this on map? It is nearly impossible.
A former member of ISIS has revealed the extent to which the cooperation of the Turkish military allows the terrorist group, who now control large parts of Iraq and Syria, to travel through Turkish territory to reinforce fighters battling Kurdish forces.
A reluctant former communications technician working for Islamic State, now going by the pseudonym ‘Sherko Omer’, who managed to escape the group, told Newsweek that he travelled in a convoy of trucks as part of an ISIS unit from their stronghold in Raqqa, across Turkish border, through Turkey and then back across the border to attack Syrian Kurds in the city of Serekaniye in northern Syria in February.
“ISIS commanders told us to fear nothing at all because there was full cooperation with the Turks,” said Omer of crossing the border into Turkey, “and they reassured us that nothing will happen, especially when that is how they regularly travel from Raqqa and Aleppo to the Kurdish areas further northeast of Syria because it was impossible to travel through Syria as YPG [National Army of Syrian Kurdistan] controlled most parts of the Kurdish region.”
The Islamic State has created a 10-man 'strategic planning wing' with a master plan on how to wage war against the Pakistani military, according to government memo - @NBCNews
On November 12 2014 06:12 pls no ty wrote: Pakistan has its own terrorism issue with al qaeda already, hasnt it?
3318 dead in 2009. 35,000 Pakistanis killed between September 11, 2001 and May 2011. (Roughly 10x the US figures.)
According to wiki due to funding the various groups previously to fight in Afghanistan and India. Now that the rulers changed somewhat they also fight them.
Rebels Storm Regime's Military Room in Rayhan Village (E. Ghouta)
Qamishli, Syria – On Monday, the Kurdish forces of the People’s Protection Units (YPG) clashed with militant fighters of the Islamic State (IS/ISIS) in the countryside of Sere Kaniye (Ras al-Ain) in al-Hasakah province, northeastern Syria. A number of IS militants were reported dead, activists said.
Clashes broke out between the Kurdish fighters of YPG and the IS militants in the Rasm al-Hujayr area of the southern countryside of Sere Kaniye, local activists told ARA News.
“The YPG targeted several IS-held sites in the area with artillery and mortars, killing dozens of the group members,” the source reported.
The activists pointed out that the YPG-IS clashes continued with heavy weapons in the vicinity of the villages of Shallah and Rasm al-Rahjeh in the countryside of Are Kaniye, amid considerable progress of the Kurdish YPG fighters in the area.
In the meantime, the Media Centre of the YPG announced that the military campaign initiated by the YPG forces in the south and south-west of Sere Kaniye against IS radicals is still ongoing.
Some bad news that i feel shame about: Turkish left nationalist party members attacked US sailors to protest its middle east policy and revenge what happened back there in Iraq:
I wish that navy member was in uniform and armed. : ) Would be a nice movie to watch.
BBC world made a 30 min programme about this an hour ago. They questioned my fellow 1 American friend and 1 Danish friend if they feel safe or not and a lot of foreigners in Turkey. Thanks god answers were really good and positive even if we agree on the fact that turks dont like American policies at all. I think they will publish all records in their twitter account in following hours. https://twitter.com/bbcworld ( my influence on them nearly affected all of their speech hehe xD )
However, these left turkish nationalists are just bunch of idiots who cant even win 1 seat in parliament. Their leader visits Kurdish leader Ocalan and gives flowers to him, while their younglings shout against Kurdish movement.
I apologize on behalf of this retards if any American feel sorry or uncomfortable about this incident. I assure you these guys are just young nationalists and their movement can only be seen via pancartes on the walls of some weird universities. Your soldiers are safe and welcomed.
And this was very cute. Ive seen the ship passing by.
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