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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 19 2014 22:24 GMT
#5221
+ Show Spoiler +

YPG video showing massive amount of weapons, ammo, mortars, grenades and more seized from ISIS fighters in Kobani.

NSFW

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Aleppo has exploded:







"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-21 05:51:31
November 21 2014 05:38 GMT
#5222
A veritable mountain of evidence that the Turkish government (AKP) has been supporting Daesh:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-l-phillips/research-paper-isis-turke_b_6128950.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

Good to see Sunni tribes joining the fight against Daesh in Iraq:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/nov/20/iraqi-sunnis-train-fight-isis-militants-video




{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 21 2014 18:14 GMT
#5223


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-22 09:26:53
November 22 2014 09:24 GMT
#5224
On November 21 2014 14:38 tomatriedes wrote:
A veritable mountain of evidence that the Turkish government (AKP) has been supporting Daesh:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-l-phillips/research-paper-isis-turke_b_6128950.html?utm_hp_ref=tw



This paper holds many rumors and not proved - photoshopped pictures as evidence, for example, scroll down and take this:

+ Show Spoiler +
• Bilal Erdogan and Turkish officials meet alleged ISIS fighters.


Which says, son of President Erdogan meets ISIS fighters. This was the picture that blows our stupid media:

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But ended up with this:

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Picture was taken in a famous food franchise and with his owner. Name of the franchise is CİĞERİSTAN, owner can be found on the net with several pictures with his stupid beard. And it did a great punch to opposition media who was sharing this picture all over the internet.

Even after the refutation a dumb guy writes this for COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY
IN THE CITY OF NEW YORK INSTITUTE FOR THE STUDY OF HUMAN RIGHTS. Research Paper: ISIS-Turkey


His school and INSTITUTE make us think this should be for REAL but, come on... I picked the dumbest and the weakest element from the list to show you, but believe, there are more in the list. Saddamization of Erdoğan will not work for these guys, but at least, dont mess with the human rights.

The other bullshit things in the list, i can prove any time if you want.

• OdaTV released a photograph of a Turkish soldier befriending ISIS militants.

• A Kurdish commander in Kobani claims that ISIS militants have Turkish entry stamps on their passports.

• Diken reported, "ISIS fighters crossed the border from Turkey into Syria, over the Turkish train tracks that delineate the border, in full view of Turkish soldiers. They were met there by PYD fighters and stopped.

• According to an op-ed written by a YPG commander in The New York Times on October 29, 2014, Turkey allows ISIS militants and their equipment to pass freely over the border. (Everything related YPG commanders are lie. Do not TRUST terrorists, even ONCE in your life. Bring down Turkish governement, veto its rights in every way. Invade Turkey if you have to, but do not trust terrorists)

• Released by Nuhaber, a video shows Turkish military convoys carrying tanks and ammunition moving freely under ISIS flags in the Cerablus region and Karkamis border crossing (September 25, 2014). There are writings in Turkish on the trucks.

• Train support from Turkey to ISIS to Kobane is also a lie.

I do not say, i think, i believe, for me etc. I DIRECTLY SAY nearly everything on this list are lies, proven with facts. Even when you click those videos via "HERE" button, you can see clear montage, photoshop or in the comments how people ridicule Kurdish media. I dont know about your opposition medias, but i believe some of them are always jumping on the first thing which will damage to government, without making any background check and verify. Most of the reports from Turkish newspapers are from those news agents like TARAF, FIRAT, ODATV. Their sports news bring Cristiano Ronaldo to Turkey every year.

There are some real -at least can be taken as a serious question marks- things in the list though.

• An ISIS commander told The Washington Post on August 12, 2014: "Most of the fighters who joined us in the beginning of the war came via Turkey, and so did our equipment and supplies."


This could be true, should be true. Western plan was arming every group* against Assad, until it failed and countries start to point each other. So it was not only Turkey, but also some other nations too.

• According to the Hurriyet Daily News on September 26, 2014, "The feelings of the AKP's heavyweights are not limited to Ankara. I was shocked to hear words of admiration for ISIL from some high-level civil servants even in Şanliurfa. 'They are like us, fighting against seven great powers in the War of Independence,' one said." "Rather than the [Kurdistan Workers' Party] PKK on the other side, I would rather have ISIL as a neighbor," said another."

This was also true and showed us the hatred towards PKK still is alive and accepts no match.

koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 22 2014 09:42 GMT
#5225
then post the bloody proofs instead of just waving your hands
pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-22 09:58:13
November 22 2014 09:58 GMT
#5226
Check your pm after a while. I wont make the same mistake again.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 22 2014 21:23 GMT
#5227
The Islamic State group and its leadership have become masters of grabbing attention. This week alone, the extremist network, also known as ISIS or ISIL, reportedly seized control of a coastal town in Libya, and released a grisly video of its fighters brandishing the severed head of a former Army Ranger turned aid worker Peter Kassig, along with those of dozens of captured Kurdish fighters.

Western news consumers are not the only ones who pay attention to these stories, nor are they the most important recipients of their intended lesson: The Islamic State group is here to stay and it’s not wasting time like al-Qaida did before.

“The message they’re trying to convey is they are brutal to their enemies, and they are righteous in their cause,” says Karl Kaltenthaler, an expert on the rise of Islamic extremism and professor at the University of Akron. “If you mess with them, you’re going to pay a high price, and they will stop at nothing to achieve the triumph of their vision for Islam.”

Al-Qaida’s original plan under founding leader Osama bin Laden involved knocking the U.S. and Western influence out of predominantly Muslim countries, collapsing those states, creating Islamic alternatives and ultimately establishing a so-called hard-liner caliphate. The Islamic State group has thrown that plan out the window, and has achieved on the ground what al-Qaida could only dream of a decade or more ago.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 23 2014 00:33 GMT
#5228
No, post them here publicly in the same thread that you're making your claims. I'm not even going to entertain you by reading the PMs you sent me.
pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-23 20:03:51
November 23 2014 01:41 GMT
#5229
I wont make the same mistakes after being banned because of derailing of this thread. A member put something about Turkey and Isis (which is also not Syria related - considering if i keep answering like last time, i get ban) and i said paper is full of with false things, with choosing the most stupid example from it, in a spoiler. You wanted more, i did send it to you. If you are not gonna read, dont even write to me about this, go buy a beer, read a book, enlighten yourself.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
November 23 2014 12:40 GMT
#5230
On November 23 2014 10:41 pls no ty wrote:
I wont make the same mistakes after being banned because of derailing of this thread. A member put something about Turkey and Isis (which is also not Syria related - considering if i keep answering like last time, i get ban) and i said paper is full of with false things, with choosing the most stupid example from it, in a spoiler. You wanted more, i did sent it to you. If you are not gonna read, dont even write to me about this, go buy a beer, read a book, enlighten yourself.


I don't want you to get banned again. I posted the link because personally I believe possible AKP complicity with ISIS or Al-Nusra (Al-Quaeda) has huge implications for the Syrian civil war although we don't want the thread to become only about this subject. I admit that some of the items look pretty suspect, but there is an awful lot of smoke for there not to be some fire. Anyway if this is considered derailment I'll let it rest.

In other news:

In the last two weeks however, men from the al-Qaeda linked Jabhat al-Nusra and other rebel groups have captured the nearby towns of Nawa and al-Sheikh Maskin, bringing the frontline to less than two miles away. They are now trying to assault Izraa.
Some of the rebels were vetted by the CIA as "moderate Muslims" and subsequently trained and armed in Jordan, as part of a US-led program to bolster a non-sectarian opposition to President Bashar-Assad.

But past experience has rendered such distinctions irrelevant to Izraa's Christians. After all, in Syria - and on this frontline - the "moderates" continue to work in alliance with Nusra. And the conquest of other Christian villages by the opposition has shown that more moderate factions frequently do little to stop the jihadists imposing their will.
"It's simple," said Father Elias Hanout, 38, who led the prayers at Sunday's service. "If the West wants Syria to remain a country for Christian people, then help us to stay here; stop arming terrorists."


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11247798/Syrian-Christians-Help-us-to-stay-stop-arming-terrorists.html

A former British infantryman who served in Afghanistan is among a growing cohort of Britons joining the ranks of westerners travelling to Syria and Iraq to fight Islamic State (Isis) militants, the Observer has learned.

James Hughes, from Reading, Berkshire, is understood to be in Rojava, northern Syria, helping to defend the beleaguered city of Kobani as a de facto “mercenary” fighting on behalf of the Kurdish People’s Protection Units, the YPG.


http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/nov/22/uk-mercenaries-fighting-islamic-state-terrorist-syria?CMP=twt_gu

A 26-year-old former soldier has left Canada to join Kurdish fighters on the front lines against ISIS. Dillon Hillier, a corporal who served in Afghanistan as a member of Princess Patricia’s Light Infantry, told the National Post he “felt it was the right thing to do since they’re facing some pretty rough times.”


http://globalnews.ca/news/1686115/canadian-forces-vet-dillon-hiller-plans-to-fight-isis-with-peshmerga/
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 23 2014 16:36 GMT
#5231


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
November 23 2014 22:35 GMT
#5232
Whenever these 2 meet, expect some more chaos.

https://news.yahoo.com/video/biden-erdogan-meeting-looks-ahead-205313545.html
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 25 2014 01:44 GMT
#5233






Aleppo:



Meanwhile in Iraq:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 25 2014 18:11 GMT
#5234
YPG captures another ISIS position.





"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 26 2014 16:36 GMT
#5235
There was no public debate or any previous announcement hinting at the coming arms deal. But the German military follows government policy, so it got to work making the transfer happen.

A small team of infantry instructors traveled to Erbil in Iraqi Kurdistan in order to familiarize the Peshmerga with the small arms. The Pesh surely know how to operate the usual arms like the G3, AK-47 or PKM. But the German MG3, G36 and P1—fine pieces of German weapons engineering—are unfamiliar.

The arms transfer includes 8,000 G36s and 40 MG3s, but the most important element—what the Pesh lack and need most badly—are antitank weapons. Berlin’s package includes 30 Milan anti-tank missile launchers with 500 rockets, plus 200 Panzerfaust 3 adapters with 2,500 projectiles.

The Milan weapon system has proven effective in many conflicts, but it requires some training to fire accurately. The Panzerfaust 3—Pzf 3 for short—is a simple anti-tank missile system and pretty much self-explanatory, thanks to instructional pictograms.

Clip the adapter on the rocket tube, unfold the adapter, aim, fire, unclip adapter, repeat.

For the sake of proper training on those weapon systems, the Bundeswehr brought 40 Peshmerga to German facilities, including the infantry school in Hammelburg.

To the German military, handing over thousands of weapons is no big deal—they’re all surplus to domestic requirements. Ultimately, the political implications are more important.


Source

(Reuters) - At a desert base, Gulf state Qatar is covertly training moderate Syrian rebels with U.S. help to fight both President Bashar al-Assad and Islamic State and may include more overtly Islamist insurgent groups, sources close to the matter say.

The camp, south of the capital between Saudi Arabia's border and Al Udeid, the largest U.S. air base in the Middle East, is being used to train the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and other moderate rebels, the sources said.

Reuters could not independently identify the participants in the programme or witness activity inside the base, which lies in a military zone guarded by Qatari special forces and marked on signposts as a restricted area.

But Syrian rebel sources said training in Qatar has included rebels affiliated to the “Free Syrian Army” from northern Syria.

The sources said the effort had been running for nearly a year, although it was too small to have a significant impact on the battlefield, and some rebels complained of not being taught advanced techniques.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
pls no ty
Profile Joined September 2014
86 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-27 14:30:29
November 27 2014 14:30 GMT
#5236
to fight both President Bashar al-Assad and Islamic State
and may include more overtly Islamist insurgent groups


Germany trains kurds, Qatar and Turkey train FSA. If i was Assad right now, i would be very unpleasant, the thing is coming.

West - Kurds - FSA vs al qaeda - assad with some russia support.

And ISIS is still in-game. This is gonna be hard.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 27 2014 17:02 GMT
#5237




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Syrian boy rescues his sister from underneath rubble.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sgtnoobkilla
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia249 Posts
November 28 2014 13:03 GMT
#5238
SPECIAL REPORT: 39 Indians missing in Iraq shot dead by ISIS, claim 2 Bangladeshi workers to ABP News

New Delhi: Thirty nine out of forty Indian workers who went missing in Iraq this June have reportedly been killed by the Islamic State militants, claim two Bangladeshi workers whom ABP News spoke exclusively in Kurdistan’s capital Erbil.

The two Bangladeshi nationals working for a construction company in Iraq mentioned about one Indian worker Harjeet Masih who miraculously escaped from the cluthhes of the militants. Harjeet informed Shafi and Hasan that he witnessed the killings of all his Indian co-workers.

ABP News Correspondent Jagwinder Patial who had visited Erbil last week along with spiritual leader Sri Sri Ravi Shankar met these two Bangladeshi workers Shafi Islam and Hasan who gave chilling details about the ordeal they & Indians suffered under the hands of the ISIS.

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar was unsuccessful in getting a peace process initiated with ISIS chief bu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

.....

Shafi says they were travelling to Mosul from Baghdad and on the way were kidnapped by ISIS militants on June 11.

The entire workers comprised of 51 Bangladeshis and 40 Indian workers which included mostly citizens from Punjab and some from Kolkata. The Indians comprised of 2 old aged men while the rest were relatively young.

The masked militants holding pistols & Qurans in their hands segregated the workers from both the nationalities in two groups. After scrutinizing the Bangladeshis and knowing about their religious faith, militants told them that they would be taken to Erbil soon. While the Indians were kept in a different room who sensed they too would be released.

Their mobiles and passports were all confiscated by the militants. All of them were given just one roti at 10 am during the entire day.

However, Harjeet told Shafi that on June 15, they had taken all the 40 Indians along with him to a hilly terrain where all of them were shot. Harjeet too suffered two bullet injuries but acted as if he was dead. To confirm even Harjeet was dead, he was kicked by them but since they didn’t observe any movement in his body made them conclude that he had perished too.

.....

Source

However, there's conflicting reports as to whether they have been executed or not:

India says no contact with 39 men held by Islamic State in Iraq

(Reuters) - India has had no contact with 39 men missing in Iraq since June, but believes them to be alive, the foreign minister said on Friday, distancing herself from a report that suggested they had been killed by Islamic State militants.

.....

While the nurses were freed within a few weeks, the workers' whereabouts remain unknown, presenting the Hindu nationalist government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi with its first hostage crisis.

Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj told parliament that the government was continuing its efforts to find the men after six sources, including the Red Crescent, had independently told it the men were alive.

"We don't have direct contact with them, but we have contacts with sources in the country," she said. "They are telling us the Indians are safe and have not been killed."

.....

Source

Only time will tell. Either way, the clock's ticking for those hostages...
Don't play with your food unless it plays with you first.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
November 29 2014 13:35 GMT
#5239
Reports of ISIS attack on Kobane from within Turkey:

Militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) launched an attack on the border town of Kobane from Turkey Saturday, said a Kurdish official and activists.

The attack from Turkey is a first in the ongoing battle.

The Islamic State group “used to attack the town from three sides,” Nawaf Khalil, a spokesman for Syria’s Kurdish Democratic Union Party, told the Associated Press. “Today, they are attacking from four sides.”

The assault began with a suicide bomb in an armored vehicle on the border crossing between Kobane and Turkey, said Khalil and the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.

Turkey, while previously backing the Syrian rebels fighting to topple President Bashar Assad in that country’s civil war, has been hesitant to aid the Kobane fight over its own fears about stoking Kurdish ambitions for an independent state. Ankara had no immediate comment Saturday about ISIS fighters launching the assault from Turkish soil.

Associated Press journalists saw thick black smoke rise over Kobane amid the attack. The sound of heavy gunfire echoed through the surrounding hills as armored vehicles took up positions on the border. The Observatory said heavy fighting also took place southwest of the town where ISIS brought in tanks to reinforce their fighters.


http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/2014/11/29/ISIS-attacking-Kobane-from-Turkey-Kurdish-official-.html
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
November 29 2014 15:01 GMT
#5240
Yeah just read that too. It's like Turkey is not even pretending anymore. If they're not changing their policy in regards to Isis I think they should just be thrown out of the NATO.
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