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zatic
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On September 08 2014 17:35 Sub40APM wrote: Bulgaria? One of the biggest suppliers for America's Warsaw Pact armed allies? Not really. We have around 300M euro export of weapons per year. Most of it is going to Algeria, India, Iraq and Czech Republic. One of our biggest factories went bankrupt last year and had to cut staff... So yeah, not really. Germany, USA, UK and France on the other hand though... It's funny how now Turkey and NATO will have to help the Kurds and PKK after declaring them "terrorists and separatist". The wheel of history is a funny thing. | ||
heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On September 08 2014 12:07 Pr0wler wrote: BTW it's really cute how NATO now forces everyone to spend 2% of GDP on defense for some reason. Instead of spending on something useful, suddenly we should all "upgrade" our defense to meet the "threats" from Islamic state and (maybe, not really) Russia. Guess who will sell us the new weapons and equipment ![]() Then leave NATO? Or how about don't join a alliance if you don't want to follow the stipulations... | ||
xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On September 08 2014 23:38 heliusx wrote: Then leave NATO? Or how about don't join a alliance if you don't want to follow the stipulations... No kidding. And I think it's pretty clear who really foots the bill for NATO anyway. | ||
Deleted User 183001
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On September 09 2014 00:11 xDaunt wrote: No kidding. And I think it's pretty clear who really foots the bill for NATO anyway. It's necessary though that we foot the bill. NATO's our gateway for our political domination in Europe. It's precisely the same as the "socii latini" of early Roman imperialism in the Italian peninsula. Basically direct your "allies' " foreign policy and military affairs, which quite honestly is precisely what we've done since the late 1940s. We'd lose much of our control in Europe if NATO was dissolved, and that would be the nail in the coffin for our imperialism. On September 08 2014 23:03 Pr0wler wrote: Not really. We have around 300M euro export of weapons per year. Most of it is going to Algeria, India, Iraq and Czech Republic. One of our biggest factories went bankrupt last year and had to cut staff... So yeah, not really. Germany, USA, UK and France on the other hand though... It's funny how now Turkey and NATO will have to help the Kurds and PKK after declaring them "terrorists and separatist". The wheel of history is a funny thing. Yes. It's a marriage by convenience, since Kurdish militias are also fighting against ISIS. PKK/Kurdish militias being "lesser of two evils" as the saying goes, I guess. The interesting thing to consider is what the various Kurdish tribes and political factions will decide to do in Iraq, Turkey, and Iran (the ones in Syria are pretty much fucked). They won't go for independence because they know that'll be worse across the board, not to mention the strong possibility of Kurdistan exploding in violence between competing groups. But they could try to make "territorial" claims within Iraq, which no one will be happy about. I'm sure Iraq and Turkey will have international support if that ends up happening. But, the pressure on ISIS is mounting, as they are now attacking Sunni militias with suicide bombings. A serious one just happened earlier, with 17 militiamen being killed in Dhuluiya, north of Baghdad. BAGHDAD — Members of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria attacked Sunni tribal fighters north of Baghdad early Monday, killing at least 17 people as the militants showed new determination to punish Sunnis who have resisted the ISIS onslaught into parts of northern Iraq. Using an explosive-laden Humvee, apparently captured from the Iraqi Army, the militants assaulted an entrance to the town of Dhuluiya, about 50 miles north of Baghdad, according to local tribal leaders. Some of the district’s most prominent Sunni tribes, including the Al-Jabour, have been openly fighting the Sunni extremists of ISIS for the last two months. The participation of Sunni fighters in the resistance to ISIS is seen as a key to halting its advance. Over the weekend, Sunni tribal fighters in Anbar Province joined Iraqi Army troops in attacking ISIS fighters in towns near the Haditha Dam as United States warplanes bombed the militants. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/09/world/middleeast/isis-kills-17-in-attack-on-rival-sunni-tribesmen-in-iraq.html | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Sham Legion scores direct hit on landing Mi-8. Full video of battle al-Mugheerat Subhan in Quneitra. | ||
ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 09 2014 02:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: http://youtu.be/m_2CkPMbBz0?list=UUr65KSDeoRwuanZog9qVtWA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TejpD2SqbDY Damn.. so unlucky :| | ||
Deleted User 183001
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However, Russian arm shipments are prompting the US to become more active to cooperate with Iraq and the Iraqi military regarding arms purchases. Maybe those F-16s will finally get sent over there before the Ruskies start shipping Su-30s. I think it's an important step for us to promote military cooperation with Iraq. MOSCOW, Aug. 28 (Xinhua) -- Russia's readiness to offer discounts on arms sales to Iraq has prompted the United States to step up military-technoligical cooperation with Baghdad, Iraqi ambassador to Russia Ismieal Shafiq Muhsin said Thursday. "The Iraqi government has been focused on diversifying sources of weapons, and we have been open to signing contracts with any suppliers of weapons meeting the Iraqi army's criteria," Interfax news agency quoted Muhsin as saying. He said Iraq had asked Moscow for more arms supplies amid increasing activities of militants from the Islamic State, an al- Qaeda's offshoot operating in the Syria and Iraq. "The response (from Russia) was very quick, and therefore the United States also had to act with the same swiftness and seek to conclude arms contacts with us," said the diplomat. http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/xinhua-news-agency/140828/enhanced-russia-iraq-ties-pull-more-us-attention-baghdad-dip | ||
LegalLord
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{CC}StealthBlue
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Breaking: Rebels have captured Tell Mall in Quneitra http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=33.130094&lon=35.987949&z=15&m=b https://twitter.com/PetoLucem/status/509368388117098497/photo/1 | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Video: Rebels claiming siege broken in western Ghouta. | ||
Deleted User 183001
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For Iraq on the other hand, there is a huge possibility to go one way or the other. The two greatest threats to stability in Iraq are 1) the Islamic State, and 2) Iran. The Islamic State is obvious why. With Iran, their influence and backing is literally what inspires all the crazy asshole Shiite clerics and terrorists who keep violence and sectarianism at the social and political levels alive and well, almost as well as former dictator Maliki did. The Iranians are entirely up to no good and like the Islamic State, they must be stopped. I believe the only solution is to sanction and undermine terrorist nations in particular Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Qatar who are responsible for almost all the backbone and power that Islamic terrorist organizations have. It is the only way to bring stability and prosperity once again to places like Iraq and elsewhere in the Mideast. Also, I saw a pretty good AMA and also an interview with Tim Arango, The New York Times’s Baghdad bureau chief, discussing the current situation in Iraq. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/09/world/middleeast/tim-arango-iraq-reddit-questions.html (contains link to the AMA) http://www.npr.org/2014/09/10/347391620/islamic-state-was-fueled-by-epic-american-failure-in-iraq-reporter-says | ||
ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
OBAMA LIVE SPEECH ABOUT THE PLAN TO DESTROY ISIS http://www.whitehouse.gov/live/president-obama-addresses-nation-isil | ||
ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 11 2014 09:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: This civil war has been a 3-year military coup in the making, joined by tens of thousands of barbaric Islamic extremists from every corner of the world where people think anything positive of Mohammad. I hate to accept it but I think Syria as a nation will not be in a good place within the next 6 years. For Iraq on the other hand, there is a huge possibility to go one way or the other. The two greatest threats to stability in Iraq are 1) the Islamic State, and 2) Iran. The Islamic State is obvious why. With Iran, their influence and backing is literally what inspires all the crazy asshole Shiite clerics and terrorists who keep violence and sectarianism at the social and political levels alive and well, almost as well as former dictator Maliki did. The Iranians are entirely up to no good and like the Islamic State, they must be stopped. I believe the only solution is to sanction and undermine terrorist nations in particular Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Qatar who are responsible for almost all the backbone and power that Islamic terrorist organizations have. It is the only way to bring stability and prosperity once again to places like Iraq and elsewhere in the Mideast. Also, I saw a pretty good AMA and also an interview with Tim Arango, The New York Times’s Baghdad bureau chief, discussing the current situation in Iraq. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/09/world/middleeast/tim-arango-iraq-reddit-questions.html (contains link to the AMA) http://www.npr.org/2014/09/10/347391620/islamic-state-was-fueled-by-epic-american-failure-in-iraq-reporter-says You just love Iran :D rly dude very thread about this subject (terrorism, middle east) you talk about your disdain for Iran. | ||
Deleted User 183001
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On September 11 2014 10:10 ImFromPortugal wrote: You just love Iran :D rly dude very thread about this subject (terrorism, middle east) you talk about your disdain for Iran. Dude, their infinite support for Islamic radicals and terrorist organizations comprises much of the problems plaguing Iraq since 2003. And considering Iran is very much related to terrorism and events in the Mideast, I think it's very important to discuss. And trust me, I don't dislike Iran at all. Especially not the people. However, the nation is led by a pariah regime whose sole focus is to create terrorism and undermine stability and peace in countries like Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. Along with regimes like those in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, it is the root of the Mideast's problems. | ||
ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 11 2014 10:19 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Dude, their infinite support for Islamic radicals and terrorist organizations comprises much of the problems plaguing Iraq since 2003. And considering Iran is very much related to terrorism and events in the Mideast, I think it's very important to discuss. And trust me, I don't dislike Iran at all. Especially not the people. However, the nation is led by a pariah regime whose sole focus is to create terrorism and undermine stability and peace in countries like Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. Along with regimes like those in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, it is the root of the Mideast's problems. Sure.. but western countries do the same, the tools are just different. You see russia doing the same and annexing land, you see america building bases everywhere , funding terrorists and whoever they want to reach their goals. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
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Deleted User 183001
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On September 11 2014 10:27 ImFromPortugal wrote: Sure.. but western countries do the same, the tools are just different. You see russia doing the same and annexing land, you see america building bases everywhere , funding terrorists and whoever they want to reach their goals. I'm very well aware of American imperialism and Russian border security conflicts. But this thread is about the Mideast, specifically Iraq and Syria, and while the US and Russia do not make it their primary focus to back Islamic terrorists to cause as much death and destruction as possible (if you want to get nitpicky, the US supports Islamic terrorists like most recently in Libya when it serves their political interests, not to enhance Islamism), rogue regimes in nations such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar do. Iraq has a strong collection of secular, progressive allies across the globe, some new like the US, China, and Canada, some decades-old, like France and Russia, among many others in Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Americas. Hopefully all of these constructive relations for Iraq will eventually undermine the destructive influence from terror states like Iran and Saudi Arabia. | ||
redviper
Pakistan2333 Posts
On September 11 2014 10:19 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: Dude, their infinite support for Islamic radicals and terrorist organizations comprises much of the problems plaguing Iraq since 2003. And considering Iran is very much related to terrorism and events in the Mideast, I think it's very important to discuss. And trust me, I don't dislike Iran at all. Especially not the people. However, the nation is led by a pariah regime whose sole focus is to create terrorism and undermine stability and peace in countries like Iraq, Syria, and Lebanon. Along with regimes like those in Saudi Arabia and Qatar, it is the root of the Mideast's problems. There is 0% chance that Iran is backing ISIL. Or that Iran backed Al-Qaida. | ||
ImFromPortugal
Portugal1368 Posts
On September 11 2014 10:59 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I'm very well aware of American imperialism and Russian border security conflicts. But this thread is about the Mideast, specifically Iraq and Syria, and while the US and Russia do not make it their primary focus to back Islamic terrorists to cause as much death and destruction as possible (if you want to get nitpicky, the US supports Islamic terrorists like most recently in Libya when it serves their political interests, not to enhance Islamism), rogue regimes in nations such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Qatar do. Well Iran backed Syria (pretty secular for middle east standards) , They back hezbollah in lebanon.. they aren't anything like isis and the Lebanese government is pretty secular as well... | ||
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