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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10881 Posts
August 05 2014 15:00 GMT
#3981
Yeah, because tickle down works... Rofl.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
August 05 2014 15:26 GMT
#3982
On August 05 2014 23:06 Livelovedie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 22:42 xDaunt wrote:
On August 05 2014 17:51 WhiteDog wrote:
On August 05 2014 16:36 Silvanel wrote:
On August 05 2014 15:56 Sub40APM wrote:
On August 05 2014 15:07 zatic wrote:

And it is just absurd that the West is completely unwilling to do anything about it, especially seeing the insane overreactions to Islamic terror of the past decade.

Once tricked by Republican 'strategists', twice shy. The question whether IS can pose even a tangible threat is debatable, it seems like every time IS 'records' a victory a week later some other region they record a defeat. Imo the West likes the way things are right now ISIS-Gulf-Arabs vs. Iran and its proxies, both sides invest their energies into killing each other. ISIS so far hasnt even been as successful as the Taleban in terms of actually creating a functioning state. Mosul is already bucking, all they have are the poor backwaters and if the West got serious about interdicting Gulf Arab dollars then they would probably crack. But like I said, imo Western intelligence is perfectly fine for Saudi-Qatari money being used to kill Iranian-Hizballah types and vice versa.



In the end it will come down to oil. Will this interupt oil supplies/prices in a long run? If so how much? Right now as pointed above its enemies fighting enemies. For the most part at least.

It's the reason why some people wants china to act : the oil in Iraq belong to China for the biggest part. The US does not care since it is now the third or second producer in the world.

Actually, we're number 1 now, with production continuing to increase dramatically. We really don't care and are happy to see our enemies bleed each other dry.

Why wouldn't we care? It's not like our oil is nationalized, we are selling everything on the global market. If Iraqi oil is taken out of the supply chain, then we pay more for oil.

To an extent, yes, but the impact upon domestic prices is far less than what will be felt in other countries for a variety of reasons. There's a big difference between being dependent upon Middle East oil and having your oil prices merely influenced by Middle East oil. For us, the impact would have to be pretty damned high to justify getting significantly involved over there as opposed to merely fostering a stalemate.

Lastly, there are lots of domestic interests that want to see oil prices go up. The oil industry is one. Environmentalists are the other. You can bet that Obama won't shed a tear if the price of gas goes up $2.00 per gallon.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 05 2014 15:47 GMT
#3983
On August 06 2014 00:26 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 23:06 Livelovedie wrote:
On August 05 2014 22:42 xDaunt wrote:
On August 05 2014 17:51 WhiteDog wrote:
On August 05 2014 16:36 Silvanel wrote:
On August 05 2014 15:56 Sub40APM wrote:
On August 05 2014 15:07 zatic wrote:

And it is just absurd that the West is completely unwilling to do anything about it, especially seeing the insane overreactions to Islamic terror of the past decade.

Once tricked by Republican 'strategists', twice shy. The question whether IS can pose even a tangible threat is debatable, it seems like every time IS 'records' a victory a week later some other region they record a defeat. Imo the West likes the way things are right now ISIS-Gulf-Arabs vs. Iran and its proxies, both sides invest their energies into killing each other. ISIS so far hasnt even been as successful as the Taleban in terms of actually creating a functioning state. Mosul is already bucking, all they have are the poor backwaters and if the West got serious about interdicting Gulf Arab dollars then they would probably crack. But like I said, imo Western intelligence is perfectly fine for Saudi-Qatari money being used to kill Iranian-Hizballah types and vice versa.



In the end it will come down to oil. Will this interupt oil supplies/prices in a long run? If so how much? Right now as pointed above its enemies fighting enemies. For the most part at least.

It's the reason why some people wants china to act : the oil in Iraq belong to China for the biggest part. The US does not care since it is now the third or second producer in the world.

Actually, we're number 1 now, with production continuing to increase dramatically. We really don't care and are happy to see our enemies bleed each other dry.

Why wouldn't we care? It's not like our oil is nationalized, we are selling everything on the global market. If Iraqi oil is taken out of the supply chain, then we pay more for oil.

To an extent, yes, but the impact upon domestic prices is far less than what will be felt in other countries for a variety of reasons. There's a big difference between being dependent upon Middle East oil and having your oil prices merely influenced by Middle East oil. For us, the impact would have to be pretty damned high to justify getting significantly involved over there as opposed to merely fostering a stalemate.

Lastly, there are lots of domestic interests that want to see oil prices go up. The oil industry is one. Environmentalists are the other. You can bet that Obama won't shed a tear if the price of gas goes up $2.00 per gallon.

For consumers there should be no difference if you live in Europe or the US for example. You will feel price increases on the world market just the same. Only that the US will get more money for the oil on its soil.

This talk about "our oil" or "Chinese oil" when it is merely being produced by an American or Chinese company in Saudiarabia or w/e is a little silly anyway. It is still Saudi oil and the producing company profits from it, you dont.
Off-season = best season
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-05 16:19:40
August 05 2014 16:11 GMT
#3984
On August 06 2014 00:47 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 00:26 xDaunt wrote:
On August 05 2014 23:06 Livelovedie wrote:
On August 05 2014 22:42 xDaunt wrote:
On August 05 2014 17:51 WhiteDog wrote:
On August 05 2014 16:36 Silvanel wrote:
On August 05 2014 15:56 Sub40APM wrote:
On August 05 2014 15:07 zatic wrote:

And it is just absurd that the West is completely unwilling to do anything about it, especially seeing the insane overreactions to Islamic terror of the past decade.

Once tricked by Republican 'strategists', twice shy. The question whether IS can pose even a tangible threat is debatable, it seems like every time IS 'records' a victory a week later some other region they record a defeat. Imo the West likes the way things are right now ISIS-Gulf-Arabs vs. Iran and its proxies, both sides invest their energies into killing each other. ISIS so far hasnt even been as successful as the Taleban in terms of actually creating a functioning state. Mosul is already bucking, all they have are the poor backwaters and if the West got serious about interdicting Gulf Arab dollars then they would probably crack. But like I said, imo Western intelligence is perfectly fine for Saudi-Qatari money being used to kill Iranian-Hizballah types and vice versa.



In the end it will come down to oil. Will this interupt oil supplies/prices in a long run? If so how much? Right now as pointed above its enemies fighting enemies. For the most part at least.

It's the reason why some people wants china to act : the oil in Iraq belong to China for the biggest part. The US does not care since it is now the third or second producer in the world.

Actually, we're number 1 now, with production continuing to increase dramatically. We really don't care and are happy to see our enemies bleed each other dry.

Why wouldn't we care? It's not like our oil is nationalized, we are selling everything on the global market. If Iraqi oil is taken out of the supply chain, then we pay more for oil.

To an extent, yes, but the impact upon domestic prices is far less than what will be felt in other countries for a variety of reasons. There's a big difference between being dependent upon Middle East oil and having your oil prices merely influenced by Middle East oil. For us, the impact would have to be pretty damned high to justify getting significantly involved over there as opposed to merely fostering a stalemate.

Lastly, there are lots of domestic interests that want to see oil prices go up. The oil industry is one. Environmentalists are the other. You can bet that Obama won't shed a tear if the price of gas goes up $2.00 per gallon.

For consumers there should be no difference if you live in Europe or the US for example. You will feel price increases on the world market just the same. Only that the US will get more money for the oil on its soil.

This talk about "our oil" or "Chinese oil" when it is merely being produced by an American or Chinese company in Saudiarabia or w/e is a little silly anyway. It is still Saudi oil and the producing company profits from it, you dont.

The price sensitivity of oil and gas is different in the US than in Europe because of American production.

EDIT: .... and because the oil and gas markets aren't perfectly open.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
August 05 2014 16:30 GMT
#3985
On August 06 2014 01:11 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2014 00:47 Redox wrote:
On August 06 2014 00:26 xDaunt wrote:
On August 05 2014 23:06 Livelovedie wrote:
On August 05 2014 22:42 xDaunt wrote:
On August 05 2014 17:51 WhiteDog wrote:
On August 05 2014 16:36 Silvanel wrote:
On August 05 2014 15:56 Sub40APM wrote:
On August 05 2014 15:07 zatic wrote:

And it is just absurd that the West is completely unwilling to do anything about it, especially seeing the insane overreactions to Islamic terror of the past decade.

Once tricked by Republican 'strategists', twice shy. The question whether IS can pose even a tangible threat is debatable, it seems like every time IS 'records' a victory a week later some other region they record a defeat. Imo the West likes the way things are right now ISIS-Gulf-Arabs vs. Iran and its proxies, both sides invest their energies into killing each other. ISIS so far hasnt even been as successful as the Taleban in terms of actually creating a functioning state. Mosul is already bucking, all they have are the poor backwaters and if the West got serious about interdicting Gulf Arab dollars then they would probably crack. But like I said, imo Western intelligence is perfectly fine for Saudi-Qatari money being used to kill Iranian-Hizballah types and vice versa.



In the end it will come down to oil. Will this interupt oil supplies/prices in a long run? If so how much? Right now as pointed above its enemies fighting enemies. For the most part at least.

It's the reason why some people wants china to act : the oil in Iraq belong to China for the biggest part. The US does not care since it is now the third or second producer in the world.

Actually, we're number 1 now, with production continuing to increase dramatically. We really don't care and are happy to see our enemies bleed each other dry.

Why wouldn't we care? It's not like our oil is nationalized, we are selling everything on the global market. If Iraqi oil is taken out of the supply chain, then we pay more for oil.

To an extent, yes, but the impact upon domestic prices is far less than what will be felt in other countries for a variety of reasons. There's a big difference between being dependent upon Middle East oil and having your oil prices merely influenced by Middle East oil. For us, the impact would have to be pretty damned high to justify getting significantly involved over there as opposed to merely fostering a stalemate.

Lastly, there are lots of domestic interests that want to see oil prices go up. The oil industry is one. Environmentalists are the other. You can bet that Obama won't shed a tear if the price of gas goes up $2.00 per gallon.

For consumers there should be no difference if you live in Europe or the US for example. You will feel price increases on the world market just the same. Only that the US will get more money for the oil on its soil.

This talk about "our oil" or "Chinese oil" when it is merely being produced by an American or Chinese company in Saudiarabia or w/e is a little silly anyway. It is still Saudi oil and the producing company profits from it, you dont.

The price sensitivity of oil and gas is different in the US than in Europe because of American production.

Especially if a foreign company decides to lower/increase production or a war force the production to shut down in an area. The world is not yet that well connected when it comes to pipelines either.
Supply stability is pretty important. With Russia embargoed, several pipelines to the southern russsian satellites not yet finished and the middle east burning the next winters are gonna suck for particularly eastern europe!
Repeat before me
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
August 05 2014 17:31 GMT
#3986
On August 05 2014 20:11 Vindicare605 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2014 16:54 Sub40APM wrote:
On August 05 2014 16:30 WhiteDog wrote:
What frighten people is ISIS unstability. They re like mad dogs, and people in the West fear terrorism like the 9/11.

They fear them because they keep getting media airplay about how the mighty caliphate will be from sea to sea and bla bla bla. If people think of the core of ISIS supporters as disaffected Sunni-Arabs living in the middle east equivalent of Pashtunland then it will be closer to the mark but less scary (obviously still scary since Taleban provided Al Quida its bases but not the clash of civilizations/rabbid unpredictable barbarians that the news likes to make out of them. They are no less scary than the other jihadist groups in Libya or Syria.)


Except for their level of success.

Their level of success at what, they control right now the Sunni-Arab dryzone. Anywhere where another ethnicity is dominant they only make temporary gains before being pushed out. In fact every time they make reported gains in one area a day or two later we hear reports about them losing previously 'strategically important' land somewhere else.
radiatoren
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Denmark1907 Posts
August 05 2014 18:32 GMT
#3987
Indonesia bans the teachings of ISIS:
“The ISIS teachings are not a religious issue,” he said. “The government and the state reject and ban ISIS teachings from growing in Indonesia."

“Every effort taken to expand the ISIS’ teachings must be prevented. Indonesia must not be a place to spread such teachings,” Suyanto said.

He added that the government would take steps such as preventing parties from establishing ISIS representatives and calling on the Ministry of Religious Affairs and religious leaders to raise public awareness about the perils of the group’s teachings.
[...]
The BNPT chief, Ansyaad Mbai, told ucanews.com there were about 30 Indonesians fighting in Iraq.

“Most are former terrorism prisoners,” he said.

ucanews

Indians arrested for supporting ISIS through sale of T-shits:
Two young men have been arrested in Ramanthapuram district of Tamil Nadu after a photograph of a group of people posing in T-shirts with the emblem of the Sunni militant group ISIS went viral on social media.

The two men, Abdul Rahman and Rilvan, have been charged with abetting insurgent activity and criminal conspiracy for ordering and distributing the T-shirts.

ND TV

Doesn't seem Saudi Arabia are very happy about the Caliphate either:
Panicked by the advance of ISIS, Riyadh has taken the drastic step of calling in military assistance from its close allies to shore up the long 500-mile border, Gulf security sources said last week.

Saudi Arabia spent an estimated 35 billion pounds on defence in 2013, beating Britain as the world’s fourth largest military spender.

This massive military precaution highlights Riyadh’s paranoia at the threat of being drawn into a war with the Al Qaeda splinter group.

5pillarz
Repeat before me
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2014 01:50 GMT
#3988


Insurgents confirmed on Monday that they have broken the long-standing siege of Mleiha, a key town east of Damascus.

The decisive attack by a coalition of insurgent groups included heavy armored vehicles and a vehicle-carried suicide bomb by the Islamist faction Jabhat al-Nusra.

Syrian forces had encircled Mleiha for months and tried periodically to take over the town, a “gateway” to insurgent-held areas in East Ghouta.


Source

Clashes have resumed between the Lebanese army and fighters from the Islamic State group in a town near the Syrian border, after ceasefire collapsed, a security source said.

According to the Reuters news agency the ceasefire agreed in Arsal earlier on Tuesday collapsed when an army position came under fire.

The two sides have been fighting since Saturday in Arsal.


Source
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2014 19:27 GMT
#3989
TARTUS, Syria — There are no official statistics regarding the number of Alawites who have lost their lives since the peaceful protests in Syria turned into an armed sectarian conflict in many areas of the country. Human rights organizations are not counting the victims in Syria on a sectarian basis.

However, in statistics published July 12, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights announced that 65,803 people from the ranks of the Syrian regime forces and armed groups loyal to it have died. It is likely that the vast majority of the dead are Alawites, especially among the militias fighting alongside regime forces.

A visit to the cities and rural areas inhabited by an Alawite majority suggests that the number of deaths may exceed this figure. There are thousands of photos posted on walls and hung at intersections of young men who have lost their lives in the war, and all of them include slogans in support of President Bashar al-Assad. In these areas, Alawite support for the Assad regime remains strong, as evidenced by the large number of portraits of Assad spread throughout the coastal region. But words of anguish are being quietly muttered in these corners of Syria, as the death toll among Alawites continues to rise.


Source
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
August 06 2014 19:36 GMT
#3990
I have a crush on the Pershmerga now lol. ISIS who?
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2014 19:55 GMT
#3991
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-07 03:52:41
August 06 2014 21:18 GMT
#3992
ISIS continues its quest to exterminate everyone not a Sunni muslim, this time targeting the Yazidis:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/11016794/40000-Iraqis-stranded-on-Sinjar-mountain-after-Islamic-State-death-threats.html
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Deleted User 183001
Profile Joined May 2011
2939 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-07 15:02:29
August 07 2014 14:47 GMT
#3993
Did the Iraqi army disband again or something? They've become quite a laughable and undisciplined force since they became "US-trained" (which says enough). They go from defeating Islamic history's greatest jihad and the scariest crisis to face the Arabs and Israelis, to being overrun by some primates. lol

At least there was some good news from yesterday:

At least 60 militants were killed in one airstrike targeting a juvenile prison in Mosul, the provincial capital of Nineveh province, on Wednesday.

The prison was being used by the terrorists as a court to regularly issue beheading verdicts for those who dissent them.

Meanwhile, Iraq’s al-Sumaria TV station quoted Iraqi officials as saying that 180 ISIL terrorists were killed in the north of the city where the central government is carrying out airstrikes to support Kurdish Peshmerga fighters, who are also engaged in clashes with the terrorists there.

The figure would put ISIL’s fatalities of the day at 240. One senior ISIL commander and four of his deputies were reportedly among the dead.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/06/374310/240-isil-militants-killed-in-iraq/

Also, for the record since people are pretty new to things having to do with the Mideast, peshmerga are not exactly good guys. They're traditionally anti-Iraqi insurgents/terrorists. They're only fighting ISIS because ISIS is encroaching on them personally, not because they care about what's happening to Iraq. Anytime there's crisis they'll try to assert independence or w/e, fanatics attempting to represent otherwise normal Kurdish folks. Fortunately this time around, their hands are pretty tied down with these Islamic terrorists. But funny enough, desperate times make for unlikely allies, but I'm sure anyone who knows anything about history knows that.
Aceace
Profile Joined June 2011
Turkey1305 Posts
August 07 2014 16:24 GMT
#3994
It's been a rumor Turkish airforce bombarding ISIS militia near makhmour. But officers doesn't confirm neither deny the rumors... Hrrr..
Dün dündür, bugün bugündür. (Yesterday was yesterday, today is today)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 07 2014 16:43 GMT
#3995
Breaking: IS has taken over brigade 93, one of the two last SAA controlled places in Raqqa.

The Nusra Front issued a number of laws, including economic and social with regard to the lives of civilians in the areas it controls in Edlib, northern Syria.

The Front has specified that a bag of bread will cost 60 Syrian Pounds for bakeries and traders, and threatened anyone who violates the set sale price. The Front also prohibited any military faction or civilian from approaching the service departments, under the threat of penalty or punishment.

Social laws related to the details of people's lives include the prohibition of loud voices, music and songs, in addition to prohibiting young people from driving motorcycles too fast or "on one wheel". Young men are prohibited from gathering in places allocated for women, according to a statement.

In addition, the Front notified the residents of the city of Salqin in Edlib countryside about security developments, after recent clashes between the armed factions and due to the exploitation of some infiltrators who wear the Front member's clothing to implement their personal goals and create problems among civilians.


Source
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TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-07 17:53:48
August 07 2014 17:53 GMT
#3996
NYTimes is reporting that President Obama is weighing options of humanitarian supply drops to help religious minorities on Mount Sinjar, who are trapped without food or water by ISIS militants. The Times is also reporting that airstrikes are not off the table.

The president, in meetings with his national security team at the White House on Thursday morning, has been weighing a series of options ranging from dropping humanitarian supplies on Mount Sinjar to military strikes on the fighters from ISIS now at the base of the mountain, a senior administration official said.

“There could be a humanitarian catastrophe there,” a second administration official said, adding that a decision from Mr. Obama was expected “imminently — this could be a fast-moving train.”


Source
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
August 07 2014 20:35 GMT
#3997
On August 08 2014 02:53 TheFish7 wrote:
NYTimes is reporting that President Obama is weighing options of humanitarian supply drops to help religious minorities on Mount Sinjar, who are trapped without food or water by ISIS militants. The Times is also reporting that airstrikes are not off the table.

Show nested quote +
The president, in meetings with his national security team at the White House on Thursday morning, has been weighing a series of options ranging from dropping humanitarian supplies on Mount Sinjar to military strikes on the fighters from ISIS now at the base of the mountain, a senior administration official said.

“There could be a humanitarian catastrophe there,” a second administration official said, adding that a decision from Mr. Obama was expected “imminently — this could be a fast-moving train.”


Source

Big respect if this actually goes through.
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
August 07 2014 20:43 GMT
#3998
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/12/world/middleeast/the-iraq-isis-conflict-in-maps-photos-and-video.html

Excellent NYTimes grahpic of it all.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 07 2014 23:38 GMT
#3999
Apparently French, and US officials have been meeting on and off since last night discussing the current crisis. Oddly enough no reports of UK, or Turkish involvement.

IRBIL, IRAQ — Jet aircraft attacked Islamic State positions outside the town of Kalak, 25 miles northwest of Irbil, the capital of Iraq’s autonomous Kurdish region, a resident of Kalak told McClatchy early Friday.

The resident, reached by phone from Irbil, said she had seen the aircraft and had heard the explosions coming from behind Islamic State lines, which are slightly more than a mile away. The resident said because it was dark she could not see any markings on the aircraft.

Kurdish television reported that the bombers were American. There was no confirmation from U.S. officials in Washington, however, and the Pentagon spokesman, Navy Rear Adm. John Kirby, called reports that the U.S. had conducted airstrikes in Iraq “completely false.”


Source


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14111 Posts
August 08 2014 00:29 GMT
#4000
On August 07 2014 23:47 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:
Did the Iraqi army disband again or something? They've become quite a laughable and undisciplined force since they became "US-trained" (which says enough). They go from defeating Islamic history's greatest jihad and the scariest crisis to face the Arabs and Israelis, to being overrun by some primates. lol

At least there was some good news from yesterday:
Show nested quote +

At least 60 militants were killed in one airstrike targeting a juvenile prison in Mosul, the provincial capital of Nineveh province, on Wednesday.

The prison was being used by the terrorists as a court to regularly issue beheading verdicts for those who dissent them.

Meanwhile, Iraq’s al-Sumaria TV station quoted Iraqi officials as saying that 180 ISIL terrorists were killed in the north of the city where the central government is carrying out airstrikes to support Kurdish Peshmerga fighters, who are also engaged in clashes with the terrorists there.

The figure would put ISIL’s fatalities of the day at 240. One senior ISIL commander and four of his deputies were reportedly among the dead.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/06/374310/240-isil-militants-killed-in-iraq/

Also, for the record since people are pretty new to things having to do with the Mideast, peshmerga are not exactly good guys. They're traditionally anti-Iraqi insurgents/terrorists. They're only fighting ISIS because ISIS is encroaching on them personally, not because they care about what's happening to Iraq. Anytime there's crisis they'll try to assert independence or w/e, fanatics attempting to represent otherwise normal Kurdish folks. Fortunately this time around, their hands are pretty tied down with these Islamic terrorists. But funny enough, desperate times make for unlikely allies, but I'm sure anyone who knows anything about history knows that.

The peshmerga welcomed the us invasion of the country and have been nothing but apreciative to the help we gave them. They're loseing faith in the combined iraqi state for good reason. They've been treating the minorities a hell of a lot better then ISIS has done and better then the iraqi government can do for them. Their bad side comes out in force when it comes to syrian and turkish affiars with their kurdish minorities in those areas.
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