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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
Galtakar
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-11 23:18:25
March 11 2011 23:17 GMT
#1141
NVM, an hour late!
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43180 Posts
March 11 2011 23:18 GMT
#1142
On March 12 2011 08:12 kaisen wrote:
So, does nuclear reactor actually explode when the temperature keeps rising? Or will there be just a radioactive leak?

To my understanding they are cooling the reactors with water. Doing that creates slightly radioactive steam. The radioactive steam pressure is rising. Worst case scenario they vent it into the air, hence a radioactive leak.
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Prox
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands174 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-11 23:26:36
March 11 2011 23:24 GMT
#1143
On March 12 2011 08:18 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 08:12 kaisen wrote:
So, does nuclear reactor actually explode when the temperature keeps rising? Or will there be just a radioactive leak?

To my understanding they are cooling the reactors with water. Doing that creates slightly radioactive steam. The radioactive steam pressure is rising. Worst case scenario they vent it into the air, hence a radioactive leak.


You are correct about the radioactive steam, but they are already venting some of it!

I just saw an interview with a japanese nuclear scientist explaining all this stuff. The number one reactor is having over pressurization and they are venting the pressure via an airshaft or sth. To reduce radioactive material leaking they installed filters in the airshaft. Apparently the radiation levels around the faclity are twice as much as normal and still rising...
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Prox
a176
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada6688 Posts
March 11 2011 23:28 GMT
#1144
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant#2011_earthquake_events

People are updating wiki with information (sources provided there)
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dump
Profile Joined August 2010
Japan514 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-11 23:30:14
March 11 2011 23:29 GMT
#1145
On March 12 2011 08:24 Prox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 08:18 KwarK wrote:
On March 12 2011 08:12 kaisen wrote:
So, does nuclear reactor actually explode when the temperature keeps rising? Or will there be just a radioactive leak?

To my understanding they are cooling the reactors with water. Doing that creates slightly radioactive steam. The radioactive steam pressure is rising. Worst case scenario they vent it into the air, hence a radioactive leak.


You are correct about the radioactive steam, but they are already venting some of it!

I just saw an interview with a japanese nuclear scientist explaining all this stuff. The number one reactor is having over pressurization and they are venting the pressure via an airshaft or sth. To reduce radioactive material leaking they installed filters in the airshaft. Apparently the radiation levels around the faclity are twice as much as normal and still rising...


What about the cooling itself? NHK is saying the water's gone from 30 degrees to 100+. Aside from the pressure, they're saying they're not able to cool the reactor right now.

Sorry if this is a stupid question; I'm really confused about the whole reactor thing.
Serejai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
6007 Posts
March 11 2011 23:32 GMT
#1146
On March 12 2011 08:29 dump wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 08:24 Prox wrote:
On March 12 2011 08:18 KwarK wrote:
On March 12 2011 08:12 kaisen wrote:
So, does nuclear reactor actually explode when the temperature keeps rising? Or will there be just a radioactive leak?

To my understanding they are cooling the reactors with water. Doing that creates slightly radioactive steam. The radioactive steam pressure is rising. Worst case scenario they vent it into the air, hence a radioactive leak.


You are correct about the radioactive steam, but they are already venting some of it!

I just saw an interview with a japanese nuclear scientist explaining all this stuff. The number one reactor is having over pressurization and they are venting the pressure via an airshaft or sth. To reduce radioactive material leaking they installed filters in the airshaft. Apparently the radiation levels around the faclity are twice as much as normal and still rising...


What about the cooling itself? NHK is saying the water's gone from 30 degrees to 100+. Aside from the pressure, they're saying they're not able to cool the reactor right now.

Sorry if this is a stupid question; I'm really confused about the whole reactor thing.


It's not just you. There seems to be a lot of conflicting information and random events popping up. 30 minutes ago facility scientists were saying everything is fine, and now suddenly there are multiple problems popping up and a second facility starting to malfunction. All news outlets report the US delivered coolant hours ago, but the US is denying that.

It's hard to figure out where this is going right now.
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CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
March 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#1147
So who else went and looked at Manifesto7's profile after hearing about the earthquake, to make sure he had posted something afterwards? Also, doesn't thedeadhaji live in Japan? I haven't seen him post since hearing about the earthquake, I hope he's okay.
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kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
March 11 2011 23:33 GMT
#1148
On March 12 2011 08:33 CDRdude wrote:
So who else went and looked at Manifesto7's profile after hearing about the earthquake, to make sure he had posted something afterwards? Also, doesn't thedeadhaji live in Japan? I haven't seen him post since hearing about the earthquake, I hope he's okay.

He already said he is ok...
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
March 11 2011 23:41 GMT
#1149
AP says another nuclear plant has cooling issues, but the wiki for Fukushima I says the unit 2 was experiencing cooling problems. Wonder how much they are confirming these things.

Also 1000x greater inside the control room is far far far different than 1000x greater in the surrounding evacuation area. Only 8x greater at the main gate of the facility is a huge drop-off.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
March 11 2011 23:44 GMT
#1150
2310: More from the Tokyo Electric Power Company: It says the ability to control pressure in some of the reactors at Fukushima-Daini has been lost. Pressure is stable inside the reactors, but rising in the containment vessels, a company spokesman says.


just wondering what do the 2310 and whatever numbers actually _mean_ ?
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jackarage
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada104 Posts
March 11 2011 23:45 GMT
#1151
pray for japan
Dimagus
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1004 Posts
March 11 2011 23:46 GMT
#1152
On March 12 2011 08:44 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
2310: More from the Tokyo Electric Power Company: It says the ability to control pressure in some of the reactors at Fukushima-Daini has been lost. Pressure is stable inside the reactors, but rising in the containment vessels, a company spokesman says.


just wondering what do the 2310 and whatever numbers actually _mean_ ?

2310 means 23:10 or 11 PM over in the UK
Galtakar
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden374 Posts
March 11 2011 23:46 GMT
#1153
On March 12 2011 08:44 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
2310: More from the Tokyo Electric Power Company: It says the ability to control pressure in some of the reactors at Fukushima-Daini has been lost. Pressure is stable inside the reactors, but rising in the containment vessels, a company spokesman says.


just wondering what do the 2310 and whatever numbers actually _mean_ ?

The time in GMT+0.

23:10, in this case.
Alethios
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
New Zealand2765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-11 23:47:03
March 11 2011 23:46 GMT
#1154
On March 12 2011 08:44 zhurai wrote:
Show nested quote +
2310: More from the Tokyo Electric Power Company: It says the ability to control pressure in some of the reactors at Fukushima-Daini has been lost. Pressure is stable inside the reactors, but rising in the containment vessels, a company spokesman says.


just wondering what do the 2310 and whatever numbers actually _mean_ ?

Three people all jumping on the same answer at the same time.
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kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
March 11 2011 23:47 GMT
#1155
According to NBC Nightly News, the quake was strong enough, to move Honshu 8 inches further to the East. Damn.
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2081 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-11 23:49:40
March 11 2011 23:49 GMT
#1156
On March 12 2011 07:58 kaisen wrote:
Apparently, they are from Matsushima Airbase, so yeah... those are definitely fighter jets...

Matsushima is right on the coast, pretty close to Sendai. Matsushima is commonly regarded as one of the three most scenic spots in Japan, mostly because of a whole bunch of picturesque islands. I hope the people who live there are alright, but it seems unlikely that they remain unscathed.
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kaisen
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States601 Posts
March 11 2011 23:49 GMT
#1157
The entire coast of Japan has permanently moved 8ft (2.4m) after this earthquake.
salidsnake
Profile Joined April 2010
United States50 Posts
March 11 2011 23:53 GMT
#1158
This is terrible, 3 weeks before I go to japan. Fortunately Yokohama escaped the worst of it.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
March 11 2011 23:57 GMT
#1159
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/11/japan-tsunami-earthquake-live-coverage
zeross
Profile Joined September 2010
France310 Posts
March 11 2011 23:58 GMT
#1160
http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Japan earthquake factbox Entire Japan coast shifted metres earth axis moves inches/4425617/story.html
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