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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.

Do not post speculative and unconfirmed news you saw on TV or anywhere else. Generally the more dramatic it sounds the less likely it's true.
HardCorey
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States709 Posts
March 16 2011 03:37 GMT
#3061
Its incredible how even one of the most prepared and technologically advanced countries can still be struck by a catastrophe of this magnitude. I don't know what else to say but my thoughts are with the millions in crisis.
Don't Worry, Be Happy.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 16 2011 03:42 GMT
#3062
TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo
Worth tweeting, too, that TEPCO have not 'abandoned Fukushima', as suggested by various shocker headlines. 50 brave workers remain on site.
16 seconds ago

TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo
There has been no further report concerning the earlier earthquake alert. (12.40pm, March 16)
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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
March 16 2011 03:44 GMT
#3063
This question is mainly directed towards Teamliquid staff members but if anyone has anything to add/tell me let me know.

Who handles the t-shirt/store for Team Liquid? I was wondering if it was possible to set up a Team Liquid charity t-shirt, basically a modded version of the current TL shirt, and donate all proceeds to Japan? Of course, this idea can extend to future disasters as well. I think there would be a lot of users who would be interested in something like this, but that may just be hopeful thinking on my part.
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Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 04:17:10
March 16 2011 03:47 GMT
#3064
mod edit - don't brint stupid internet people into this thread. read the message at the top of the page.

User was warned for this post.
VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
March 16 2011 03:47 GMT
#3065
On March 16 2011 12:42 chaoser wrote:
TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo
Worth tweeting, too, that TEPCO have not 'abandoned Fukushima', as suggested by various shocker headlines. 50 brave workers remain on site.
16 seconds ago

TimeOutTokyo TimeOutTokyo
There has been no further report concerning the earlier earthquake alert. (12.40pm, March 16)

Thank you, I was going to mention this too.
It should even be said that whenever you read on cnn or pretty much any western sensationalist news site that the workers have abandoned the site it almost always means that the non essential personnel have evacuated to a nearby slightly safer location due to temporary spike in radiation. They have done this multiple times because the radiation levels fluctuate and every time they temporarily move people away to wait for the levels to lower again the news sites type in huge letters "workers abandon plant".
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Leftwing
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 03:51:51
March 16 2011 03:49 GMT
#3066
Good to know that they haven't given up yet, but I think that guy on Anderson Cooper from MIT said it, were in uncharted territory. Six reactors in one location? Imagine the repercussions if they all began spewing radiation into the atmosphere.

After watching the video above, I am at a loss for words. How there are people like this doesn't surprise me, and I don't condone there way of thinking, but thanking god for killing 3000 people if not more? I'm sorry, but please step in front of moving traffic and rid yourself from society.
Nienordir
Profile Joined October 2010
98 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 03:56:01
March 16 2011 03:50 GMT
#3067
On March 16 2011 12:34 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 12:05 Manifesto7 wrote:
On March 16 2011 12:02 Nienordir wrote:
On March 16 2011 11:48 VanGarde wrote:
On March 16 2011 11:45 Nienordir wrote:
I hate their hesitation..seriously if they had asked for help a few days ago, then special teams/equipment could've already been on site/standby and nobody would blame them if it turns out that it wasn't needed, because nobody wants an accident like that. But if they fart around for more hours/days then it will probably take another 1-3 days to get the stuff ready&to Japan.

I don't get why they waste time by being polite, trying to look good. They just don't have the time to waste or might pay a big price for it..not worth the risk. Just the thought of how much help could've been under way in the past 3-4 days is quite frustrating. :/

Why do people keep spreading all of this false fearmongering? Do you know personally that they are just trying to "look good" or are you just making it up or taking in what the talking heads on all the internet chats are saying with absolutely no background information.

They asked for assistance from the United States and from the IAEA from the bloody start, they requested expert personel to be sent and they have afaik also requested pumping equipment.

Furthermore there is not a question of manpower or technology Japan is the worlds third largest economy and one of the technologically most advanced countries in the world. The problems at the plant is hard to manage because of the severity of the issues, because the surrounding catastrophy makes it hard to get resources into the region and because the radiation makes it very difficult to work effectively in the area. It is not a matter of lacking key expertise or technology to deal with this that can only be brought in from abroad. This isn't Haiti.

They got offered help from many countries but aside from a few experts, I don't think they have requested any real help yet.


If you only "think" this, then be quiet, because you don't know. Making up hypothetical situations is not acceptable, and is a leading cause of stupid in the world.

If you know this, cite your source and show your evidence.


http://www.newsmax.com/KenTimmerman/japan-nuclear-fallout-us/2011/03/13/id/389295

is newsmax a reliable source at all? i havent really heard of it before..

i'm doubting that japan actually refused help though.. thats really weird. and japan is receiving help from SOUTH KOREA which are supposed to be their rivals or whatever, so why would they refuse help from the US -_- lol

That's pretty much what I meant.


They have to deal with 3 disasters at once. Not only that, but 4 nuclear reactors that are in a very concerning state at the same time. No country has faced anything like that and the government&involved organisations must be under heavy strain.

Other countries simply have more free resources right now. And more specialists, spare parts or tools that might be incredibly useful in that situation couldn't hurt even if they are not used and get sent home after a week. Nobody loses anything by playing safe and the last press conference suggested that they won't request anything until they really need it, which might be to late.

I never said that they won't be able to handle it alone, but additional cooling equipment/generators, that might have been more powerful or better suited to get water directly from the ocean could've already been there and would've been incredibly useful when more reactors got in trouble or their efforts to get power trucks and stuff were not successful/took to long.

Not to mention that additional specialists could've helped with certain tasks, because I don't see how the dropping water levels in #4 slipped. They either missed it, didn't inform anyone or had no resources left to cool there, because 1-3 had higher priority.

All I'm saying is that it wouldn't have hurt to get help ready just in case or they could've repaired some important parts in time with the additional manpower/equipment and foreign media made it pretty clear that no direct requests/offers were accepted in the first few days.

edit: (BBC) "03:49 Japan says it is ready to ask the US military for help in battling the crisis at the Fukushima nuclear plant, the AFP news agency reports. "

Like I said could've done that days ago..
EiBmoZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada235 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 04:01:24
March 16 2011 03:56 GMT
#3068
wild, i just watched a live earthquake on CNN live feed on Japanese tv 6.0
Meteora.GB
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2479 Posts
March 16 2011 03:56 GMT
#3069
On March 16 2011 12:50 Nienordir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 12:34 alffla wrote:
On March 16 2011 12:05 Manifesto7 wrote:
On March 16 2011 12:02 Nienordir wrote:
On March 16 2011 11:48 VanGarde wrote:
On March 16 2011 11:45 Nienordir wrote:
I hate their hesitation..seriously if they had asked for help a few days ago, then special teams/equipment could've already been on site/standby and nobody would blame them if it turns out that it wasn't needed, because nobody wants an accident like that. But if they fart around for more hours/days then it will probably take another 1-3 days to get the stuff ready&to Japan.

I don't get why they waste time by being polite, trying to look good. They just don't have the time to waste or might pay a big price for it..not worth the risk. Just the thought of how much help could've been under way in the past 3-4 days is quite frustrating. :/

Why do people keep spreading all of this false fearmongering? Do you know personally that they are just trying to "look good" or are you just making it up or taking in what the talking heads on all the internet chats are saying with absolutely no background information.

They asked for assistance from the United States and from the IAEA from the bloody start, they requested expert personel to be sent and they have afaik also requested pumping equipment.

Furthermore there is not a question of manpower or technology Japan is the worlds third largest economy and one of the technologically most advanced countries in the world. The problems at the plant is hard to manage because of the severity of the issues, because the surrounding catastrophy makes it hard to get resources into the region and because the radiation makes it very difficult to work effectively in the area. It is not a matter of lacking key expertise or technology to deal with this that can only be brought in from abroad. This isn't Haiti.

They got offered help from many countries but aside from a few experts, I don't think they have requested any real help yet.


If you only "think" this, then be quiet, because you don't know. Making up hypothetical situations is not acceptable, and is a leading cause of stupid in the world.

If you know this, cite your source and show your evidence.


http://www.newsmax.com/KenTimmerman/japan-nuclear-fallout-us/2011/03/13/id/389295

is newsmax a reliable source at all? i havent really heard of it before..

i'm doubting that japan actually refused help though.. thats really weird. and japan is receiving help from SOUTH KOREA which are supposed to be their rivals or whatever, so why would they refuse help from the US -_- lol

That's pretty much what I meant.


They have to deal with 3 disasters at once. Not only that, but 4 nuclear reactors that are in a very concerning state at the same time. No country has faced anything like that and the government&involved organisations must be under heavy strain.

Other countries simply have more free resources right now. And more specialists, spare parts or tools that might be incredibly useful in that situation couldn't hurt even if they are not used and get sent home after a week. Nobody loses anything by playing safe and the last press conference suggested that they won't request anything until they really need it, which might be to late.

I never said that they won't be able to handle it alone, but additional cooling equipment/generators, that might have been more powerful or better suited to get water directly from the ocean could've already been there and would've been incredibly useful when more reactors got in trouble or their efforts to get power trucks and stuff were not successful/took to long.

Not to mention that additional specialists could've helped with certain tasks, because I don't see how the dropping water levels in #4 slipped. They either missed it, didn't inform anyone or had no resources left to cool there, because 1-3 had higher priority.

All I'm saying is that it wouldn't have hurt to get help ready just in case or they could've repaired some important parts in time with the additional manpower/equipment and foreign media made it pretty clear that no direct requests/offers were accepted in the first few days.


The cooling equipment was brought to the scene but apparently the plug/switch (whatever critically was needed) was flooded. Not to mention, the backup generators were up and running, got flooded, and so all electric components became useless. I read this a couple of pages back in this thread.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
March 16 2011 03:57 GMT
#3070
Random question. I've read about the storage pond for the spent fuel rods. How serious is that situation? I would be more worried about that and the fact that it keeps catching on fire and there is no containment for radioactivity.

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VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
March 16 2011 03:58 GMT
#3071
The quake that they warned for 10 minutes ago just hit, a 6 from what I heard on Japanese tv but I did not catch if that was 6.0 on the Richter scale or if it was a 6 on the Japanese scale. Apparently no tsunami alert, but don't take my word for it I am getting it off japanese tv and I may miss stuff.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
March 16 2011 03:59 GMT
#3072
On March 16 2011 12:58 VanGarde wrote:
The quake that they warned for 10 minutes ago just hit, a 6 from what I heard on Japanese tv but I did not catch if that was 6.0 on the Richter scale or if it was a 6 on the Japanese scale. Apparently no tsunami alert, but don't take my word for it I am getting it off japanese tv and I may miss stuff.


Their aftershocks are around 6.0 magnitude I believe and they've been going on and will be going on for a while.
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VanGarde
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden755 Posts
March 16 2011 04:01 GMT
#3073
On March 16 2011 12:59 Antisocialmunky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 12:58 VanGarde wrote:
The quake that they warned for 10 minutes ago just hit, a 6 from what I heard on Japanese tv but I did not catch if that was 6.0 on the Richter scale or if it was a 6 on the Japanese scale. Apparently no tsunami alert, but don't take my word for it I am getting it off japanese tv and I may miss stuff.


Their aftershocks are around 6.0 magnitude I believe and they've been going on and will be going on for a while.

I know, I studied for two years in Nagoya.
War does not determine who is right - only who is left.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 16 2011 04:01 GMT
#3074
M6 quakes don't even phase them, buildings are shaking but probably none of them will fall. Anywhere else and there's going to be a shitfest. That fact in itself is pretty wild. My friend in Tokyo complained she got woken up as the worst thing about the quake.
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
March 16 2011 04:10 GMT
#3075
On March 16 2011 12:34 alffla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 12:05 Manifesto7 wrote:
On March 16 2011 12:02 Nienordir wrote:
On March 16 2011 11:48 VanGarde wrote:
On March 16 2011 11:45 Nienordir wrote:
I hate their hesitation..seriously if they had asked for help a few days ago, then special teams/equipment could've already been on site/standby and nobody would blame them if it turns out that it wasn't needed, because nobody wants an accident like that. But if they fart around for more hours/days then it will probably take another 1-3 days to get the stuff ready&to Japan.

I don't get why they waste time by being polite, trying to look good. They just don't have the time to waste or might pay a big price for it..not worth the risk. Just the thought of how much help could've been under way in the past 3-4 days is quite frustrating. :/

Why do people keep spreading all of this false fearmongering? Do you know personally that they are just trying to "look good" or are you just making it up or taking in what the talking heads on all the internet chats are saying with absolutely no background information.

They asked for assistance from the United States and from the IAEA from the bloody start, they requested expert personel to be sent and they have afaik also requested pumping equipment.

Furthermore there is not a question of manpower or technology Japan is the worlds third largest economy and one of the technologically most advanced countries in the world. The problems at the plant is hard to manage because of the severity of the issues, because the surrounding catastrophy makes it hard to get resources into the region and because the radiation makes it very difficult to work effectively in the area. It is not a matter of lacking key expertise or technology to deal with this that can only be brought in from abroad. This isn't Haiti.

They got offered help from many countries but aside from a few experts, I don't think they have requested any real help yet.


If you only "think" this, then be quiet, because you don't know. Making up hypothetical situations is not acceptable, and is a leading cause of stupid in the world.

If you know this, cite your source and show your evidence.


http://www.newsmax.com/KenTimmerman/japan-nuclear-fallout-us/2011/03/13/id/389295

is newsmax a reliable source at all? i havent really heard of it before..

i'm doubting that japan actually refused help though.. thats really weird. and japan is receiving help from SOUTH KOREA which are supposed to be their rivals or whatever, so why would they refuse help from the US -_- lol


http://www.newsmax.com/US/article/2011/03/15/id/389565

I've never heard of newsmax but it seems like a typical american garbage news outlet trying to capitalize on the headlines/garbage articles. On their front page they have an article based around a GE engineer who claimed to have resigned 35 years ago because the reactors were unsafe. Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm glad that our engineer hero felt so strongly about the poor design, that he resigned... and then proceed to not say a single thing about it for the next 35 years until shit hits the fan and there was a golden opportunity to get some publicity and to take a shot at your former employer.

people/news like this pisses me off to no end. people can shit on Japan later if they were doing a shitty job, but right now I'm positive they're doing everything they can to take care of this.

Thank you rus_brain for keeping us updated on the news. It's a shame when I pretty much depend on TL/reddit to get the latest update on the news because the major new sources are so crappy.
Qzy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Denmark1121 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 04:16:21
March 16 2011 04:10 GMT
#3076
mod edit - don't bring stupid internet people into the thread. read the mod note at the top.
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Vharox
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States1037 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 04:17:40
March 16 2011 04:17 GMT
#3077
n/m
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32274 Posts
March 16 2011 04:23 GMT
#3078


I don't know if this was posted here. I have a weak point with animals. It saddens me to see that dog go sit next to the other one that's laying down. I wish we were more like animals at times.

Instead of focusing on the "wow" factor of all this...
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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
March 16 2011 04:25 GMT
#3079
On March 16 2011 13:23 IntoTheWow wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do8S6dkFlE8&feature=player_embedded

I don't know if this was posted here. I have a weak point with animals. It saddens me to see that dog go sit next to the other one that's laying down. I wish we were more like animals at times.

Instead of focusing on the "wow" factor of all this...


Oh God don't bring animals into this; it's already sad enough. ;;
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Hinanawi
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2250 Posts
March 16 2011 04:42 GMT
#3080
From BBC newsfeed:

France is now urging its nationals in Tokyo to leave Japan or head to the south of the country, Reuters reports. It says Paris has asked the Air France carrier to provide planes for the evacuation.

Is it just me or is France being the most fear-mongering about this whole thing? French media was also the ones making up stuff about radiation levels earlier, and deciding by themselves that it was a 6 out of 7 on that disaster scale.
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