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Thread is about the various issues surrounding Japan in the aftermath of the recent earthquake. Don't bring the shit side of the internet to the thread, and post with the realization that this thread is very important, and very real, to your fellow members.
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There is little point speculating from images when we don't know these things, for all we know the emergency generators are not located anywhere near the reactor buildings.
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it rolled right through that plant, look at the destruction right by the water. If you look at the before and after pictures of the plant, you can see the plant was hit
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Ok, I don't want to come of as a conspiracy theorist or anything 
Just didn't think the plant looked like it was hit
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On March 16 2011 09:54 VanGarde wrote:There is little point speculating from images when we don't know these things, for all we know the emergency generators are not located anywhere near the reactor buildings.
Look at a side view photo, the trees are on a hill, 10m higher. And the buildings have blocked the energy from the tsunami wave.
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The physics Chair at Tokyo Uni @hayano has been tweeting the Japanese science community's response. Translation here: http://bit.ly/hWivev
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i was under the impression this whole time that the quake made the reactors go into auto shutdown. but then the tsunami came along and since it was 7.5-8 meters high (the tsunami walls at the plant are 6.5 meters) it caused so much damage it took out the emergency power and cooling systems. can anyone confirm/add/correct?
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On March 16 2011 10:12 TearsOfTheSun wrote:i was under the impression this whole time that the quake made the reactors go into auto shutdown. but then the tsunami came along and since it was 7.5-8 meters high (the tsunami walls at the plant are 6.5 meters) it caused so much damage it took out the emergency power and cooling systems. can anyone confirm/add/correct?
As far as I know, the power plants themselves were not really damaged even by the tsunami, they were probably designed to handle that too without serious damage, at the very least without damage to such crucial internal systems as cooling. But whether the cooling systems were damaged or not does not really matter if the generators go out because the cooling systems need electricity to run. The emergency generators are the only thing I have heard confirmed were damaged by the tsunami, hence no power to run the actual cooling system, intact or not.
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On March 16 2011 10:23 VanGarde wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 10:12 TearsOfTheSun wrote:i was under the impression this whole time that the quake made the reactors go into auto shutdown. but then the tsunami came along and since it was 7.5-8 meters high (the tsunami walls at the plant are 6.5 meters) it caused so much damage it took out the emergency power and cooling systems. can anyone confirm/add/correct? As far as I know, the power plants themselves were not really damaged even by the tsunami, they were probably designed to handle that too without serious damage, at the very least without damage to such crucial internal systems as cooling. But whether the cooling systems were damaged or not does not really matter if the generators go out because the cooling systems need electricity to run. The emergency generators are the only thing I have heard confirmed were damaged by the tsunami, hence no power to run the actual cooling system, intact or not.
The second problem was, the generators where running while they got hit by the wave and that caused all the electic controlling components get destroyed too. Thats why the mobile generators could not plugged into the system immediately.
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On March 11 2011 17:53 Ambulation wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2011 17:40 kaisen wrote:
The twitter from Austraila anti-whaling organization is pretty much on joy right now. They are saying it was the God's punishment and what not. Source?
![[image loading]](http://www.japanprobe.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/the-ravings-of-a-hate-filled-lunatic.jpg)
Just saw this today. Apparently he's explained in the comments section that he didn't mean that it was 'divine punishment', but rather he was expressing his views on the randomness of nature. At the end of the day though this is an extremely inappropriate poem to be posting at this time. It's like if someone you knew got hit by a car, and at their funeral you read about a poem about car crash statistics.
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Does anyone know why they wouldn't build Tsunami barriers for a facility like this? I remember watching video of barriers like these all along the coastal towns. It would'nt even need to be a wall. Easy physics for a plant as crucial as this one could be just a wedge, and am pretty sure that would't cost THAT much, just enough to dissapate the force of the tsunami.
eg.
OOOO
X____X
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O - PLANT
X - BARRIER
But hey, I'm obviously no expert... forgive the underlines and ignore them, wouldnt allow me to format it with blank spaces
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DJ: Tepco: Fire Seen At Fukushima Daiichi No 4 Reactor Building
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DJ: Tepco: Work Under Way To Put Fire Out
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DJ: New Fire Breaks Out At Japan's Troubled Nuclear Reactor -Media
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DJ: Tepco: Fire In No. 4 Reactor Broke Out In Same Place As Tuesday
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DJ: Tepco Says Flames At Daiichi No. 4 Reactor Now Not Observed -NHK
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DJ: Tepco: Fuel Rod Damage At Daiichi No. 1 Reactor Seen At 70%, No. 2 Seen At 30% -Kyodo
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DJ: CORRECT: Tepco: Fuel Rod Damage At Daiichi No. 1 Reactor Seen At 70%, No. 2 Seen At 33% -Kyodo
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DJ: Tepco: Can't Confirm If Fire Out At Daiichi No. 4 Reactor
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DJ: Tepco Considering Dropping Boric Acid From Helicopter Over Fukushima Daiichi No 4 Reactor - Kyodo
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DJ: BOJ Offers To Inject Y3.5 (~$40b) Tln Same-Day Funds Into Money Market
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DJ: White Smoke Seen Coming From Daiichi Plant No. 4 Reactor
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DJ: White Smoke Seen Coming From Daiichi Plant No. 4 Reactor
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DJ: Japan Nuclear Agency: White Smoke Coming From Daiichi No.3 Reactor -Nikkei
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DJ: Tepco: Can't Confirm If White Smoke At Daiichi Plant Coming From No.3 Or No.4 Reactor
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DJ: Tepco: What Looks Like Smoke Could Be Steam
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DJ: Tepco: Have Not Yet Confirmed What Is Happening
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DJ: Tepco: Not Ruling Out Possibility of Radiation From White Smoke At Daiichi Plant
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On March 16 2011 10:47 iLoveLobster wrote:
Does anyone know why they wouldn't build Tsunami barriers for a facility like this? I remember watching video of barriers like these all along the coastal towns. It would'nt even need to be a wall. Easy physics for a plant as crucial as this one could be just a wedge, and am pretty sure that would't cost THAT much, just enough to dissapate the force of the tsunami.
eg.
OOOO
X X
X X
X
But hey, I'm obviously no expert...
They did, it's 7.5 Meters tall. The wave was 9.5 meters tall. Clearly you don't read the thread...
also does anyone have a live feed of the NHK conference? I can't find one, ustream NHK is just playing recorded stuff. Apparently TEPCO is getting hammered by the media
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Please stop insinuating, that a huge tsunami wave steamrolling whole landscapes could run into a nuclear plant producing 4.5 GW electrical energy without any serious damage...
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On March 16 2011 10:50 chaoser wrote:
They did, it's 7.5 Meters tall. The wave was 9.5 meters tall. Clearly you don't read the thread...
also does anyone have a live feed of the NHK conference? I can't find one, ustream NHK is just playing recorded stuff. Apparently TEPCO is getting hammered by the media
Clearly not between 30-120. If possible questions like these should be accumulated in the OP.
Also, looking at the picture of after, that barrier seems to be gone.
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DJ: Moody's: Would Want To Anticipate Japan Debt Tipping Point With Ratings Action
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On March 16 2011 10:50 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 10:47 iLoveLobster wrote:
Does anyone know why they wouldn't build Tsunami barriers for a facility like this? I remember watching video of barriers like these all along the coastal towns. It would'nt even need to be a wall. Easy physics for a plant as crucial as this one could be just a wedge, and am pretty sure that would't cost THAT much, just enough to dissapate the force of the tsunami.
eg.
OOOO
X X
X X
X
But hey, I'm obviously no expert... They did, it's 7.5 Meters tall. The wave was 9.5 meters tall. Clearly you don't read the thread... also does anyone have a live feed of the NHK conference? I can't find one, ustream NHK is just playing recorded stuff. Apparently TEPCO is getting hammered by the media
Can't blame them. We got pretty much hourly updates on the plant&radiation levels, but for the last days there was no information at all (aside from some obvious/less important stuff).
Seems to be pretty clear that since the first evacuation Tepco isn't capable of handling the situation anymore and without information or at least acknowledgement that they can't handle it, foreign experts can't help either, because they don't know what's going on.
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fucking hell, this is getting scary again. Rus_Brain thanks so much for the updates man try to keep them coming plz! <3
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DJ: Tepco: Temperature of Fuel Pools In Daiichi Reactors No.5, No.6 Rising -Nikkei
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DJ: Tepco: Cannot Confirm Water Temperature Of Fuel Pool In Daiichi No.3 Reactor -Kyodo
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