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HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-30 16:05:39
June 30 2011 16:05 GMT
#2241
On June 29 2011 03:56 0mar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2011 00:50 jello_biafra wrote:
Libya: Muammar Gaddafi subject to ICC arrest warrant

The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi, accusing him of crimes against humanity.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13927208

Arrest warrant has been issued, he's screwed now.


War crimes are the victors punishing the losers for losing. Winners never stand trial for their war crimes.

All Qaddfi has to do is win the civil war. There's no one to extradite him if he wins. It's as simple as that.


Sure, but he wont be winning.

@Ciraxis, I just looked up the most rudimentary source, wikipedia, for the UN Charter. I read this myself in books and heard about it during lectures recently, but neither of those options are available to you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_intervention#UN_Authorized_Interventions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapter_VII_of_the_United_Nations_Charter

Basically it circumvents the soverignty of a nation which is otherwise guaranteed (at another spot in the charter).
0mar
Profile Joined February 2010
United States567 Posts
June 30 2011 18:06 GMT
#2242
On July 01 2011 01:05 HellRoxYa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2011 03:56 0mar wrote:
On June 28 2011 00:50 jello_biafra wrote:
Libya: Muammar Gaddafi subject to ICC arrest warrant

The International Criminal Court has issued an arrest warrant for Libyan leader Col Muammar Gaddafi, accusing him of crimes against humanity.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-13927208

Arrest warrant has been issued, he's screwed now.


War crimes are the victors punishing the losers for losing. Winners never stand trial for their war crimes.

All Qaddfi has to do is win the civil war. There's no one to extradite him if he wins. It's as simple as that.


Sure, but he wont be winning.



Maybe, maybe not. NATO looks a cesspool of infighting. They can't agree on what the mission is and how to execute it. Not to mention who's footing the bill since the US seems unwilling or unable to fund the mission for much longer. All Qaddfi has to do is outlast NATO and then fight the rebels to a stalemate.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 20:40:18
August 07 2011 20:33 GMT
#2243
The Libyan Rebels are advancing towards Az Zawiyah. Also click on the link for a amazing field report, probably the most heavy combat ever reported.



At least three Libyan opposition fighters have been killed in clashes near the northern town of Zlitan, just 160km from the capital, as government troops fought rebel forces for control of the town.

Several other opposition forces were injured in the fighting on Sunday, Al Jazeera's Andrew Simmons reported, as troops loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi continued an assault against anti-government fighters.

Opposition forces were also under attack in the newly captured town of Bir al-Ghanam, a strategic location in western Libya, 85km from the capital, Tripoli, where Gaddafi forces launched an offensive to regain control of the town.

The opposition forces are attempting to get closer to Tripoli, and they expressed hope earlier this week that they would reach the capital before the end of the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-07 20:41:54
August 07 2011 20:40 GMT
#2244
War crimes are the victors punishing the losers for losing. Winners never stand trial for their war crimes.


Ummm...

No.

Not accurate (winners never stand trial for their war crimes) and again not accurate (war crimes are the victors punishing the losers for losing).
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Auross
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil104 Posts
August 07 2011 20:43 GMT
#2245
On August 08 2011 05:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
War crimes are the victors punishing the losers for losing. Winners never stand trial for their war crimes.


Ummm...

No.

Not accurate (winners never stand trial for their war crimes) and again not accurate (war crimes are the victors punishing the losers for losing).


No?? What he said is, unfortunatelly, true. Could please come with exemples of winners being judged for war crimes?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 07 2011 20:45 GMT
#2246
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
August 07 2011 21:10 GMT
#2247
Amazing footage, thank you StealthBlue.
Disquiet
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia628 Posts
August 10 2011 07:25 GMT
#2248
On May 07 2011 20:04 zalz wrote:
Gaddaffi will be gone in a month or two. Mark my words.


On June 20 2011 05:53 zalz wrote:
It's just gonna be a little bit longer before they are done with Libya anyway. I think August is a pretty reasonable estimate for when the war is over.

That said i really doubt they will drop the ball on this. Gaddaffi forces seem to be nearing the end with the increased aerial atacks.


I think you stop posting when you think this war is going to end.

At the moment the NTC is fracturing, the whole situation it looking more like a fuck up thats not going to end well every day.

I stand by my original sentiment that we should have gone all-in with a proper invasion and ended it quickly or stayed out. This no fly zone bullshit is pussyfooting around and is just going to lead to another failed state and a prolonged war that does not help the citizens in any way.
bOne7
Profile Joined April 2011
Romania85 Posts
August 10 2011 09:15 GMT
#2249
hmmm .. whenever I see these footages of journalists in "dangerous" places ( that is definetly a hotspot , I'm just talking about the journalists ) , I keep reminding of the coverage performed by the CNN on the gulf war ... It was all filmed in studio ... Now here , at the 2nd footage you can almost for sure say it's actually filmed there , but the first reporter really looked that they had a background ... + today with the technology you can fake anything ...

It's not about a conspiracy b.s ... but imo it's really stupid to go into places where you have high chances to die ;o , so I would understand but ... why should you take mainstream media serious anymore ? Somebody owns the specific company , and his political agenda inevitably affects the news you get out of that station ... Perhaps I'm a bit pessimistic being here in Romania and seeing how , depending on who owns the tv station or the news papers , get what kind of information they want to out + being in the inside of media here studying political science+having many connections into showbizz+politics ...

Anyways about the Libyan thing ... Can some1 denie to me with proofs that the US got in there to make "peace" ( I know Gaddafi did horrible things , but he also did horrible things before+he was the guy who was coming in the US getting high on blow in nightclubs , also having a son here with political immunity that wanted to(idk if he got)get lions in his fucking backyard ) , but from what I understood , before this attack .. Libya was in a considerable good economic state about to implement a new system of economy ( I'm talking out my ass because I heard it like 2 months ago , and was playing some game while listening to it ) , and anyways when the rebels got in they put in place a Central Bank . I'm not saying it's the truth , I'm asking if this actually happened ... based on some real research , not mainstream media info . Hopefully some pseudo-intelligent anti-conspiracy theory guy , won't hate reply my question
The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.
Saji
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands262 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-10 16:59:40
August 10 2011 16:58 GMT
#2250
On August 10 2011 18:15 bOne7 wrote:
, and anyways when the rebels got in they put in place a Central Bank . I'm not saying it's the truth , I'm asking if this actually happened ... based on some real research , not mainstream media info . Hopefully some pseudo-intelligent anti-conspiracy theory guy , won't hate reply my question


So Basically after several weeks of the uprisings these so called rebels created a new central bank and a new oil company, and if you are intrigued you should research who the new appointed manager is of this oil company. (which makes you wonder what the motives are right?)

Sources:

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/6915-libyan-rebels-create-central-bank-oil-company

http://www.cnbc.com/id/42308613/Libyan_Rebels_Form_Their_Own_Central_Bank

Analysis:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24308

ps.

This is also a nice video (a bit offtopic but the Generaal Wesley Clark states something important)



good luck on finding out what you want to know
Attican
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark531 Posts
August 11 2011 22:11 GMT
#2251
Libyan rebels have captured Brega.

http://news.yahoo.com/libyan-rebels-claim-victory-key-oil-terminal-211846078.html
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-13 22:22:17
August 13 2011 22:21 GMT
#2252


Opposition forces have launched a two-pronged offensive in Western Libya, increasing pressure to isolate Muammar Gaddafi's stronghold of Tripoli.

Opposition fighters advanced toward the towns of Gharyan and Az-Zawiyah on Saturday, attempting to cut off the southern coastal route from Tunisia that Gaddafi uses for supplies.

Early in the day, rebel fighters claimed victory in Gharyan after Gaddafi's soldiers withdrew. However, regime forces returned several hours later and clashes continued.

Meanwhile, the battle for control of Az-Zawiyah raged along the coastal highway and at the gates of the city. While reports indicate that fighting has also taken place within Az-Zawiyah, it is not clear if rebels breached city limits or the residents themselves were rebelling.

Government spokesman Mussa Ibrahim told reporters: "Az-Zawiyah is completely under our control. A very small group of rebels tried to enter from the south of Az-Zawiyah but they were stopped easily by our armed forces."

Al Jazeera's Zeina Khodr, who is on the ground, explained "it's not going to be an easy fight".


On the western front, opposition commanders said they had control of the town of Tawurgha as they pushed to cut supply routes to forces loyal to Gaddafi.

In a symbolic show of victory, fighters tore down green flags that had been hoisted atop buildings by Gaddafi supporters who had occupied the area.

"Gaddafi is finished!" shouted a jubilant 31-year-old fighter named Mohammed. "There is no way back. We have taken Tawurgha!"

The rebels encountered heavy fighting and sizable pockets of resistance among a maze of buildings and date palms.

Al Jazeera's Andrew Simmons, reporting from Tawurgha, said it was a heavily co-ordinated operation with NATO, with six tanks involved.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-14 18:23:43
August 14 2011 18:19 GMT
#2253
Rebels have gained control over a majority of Az Zawiyah.



No idea how accurate.

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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
gzealot
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Singapore238 Posts
August 14 2011 18:38 GMT
#2254
Its a little dated - Gharyan has fallen, the Eight Division there has defected to the LNA, Al Zawia has fallen, an eight-kilometer defence has been thrown around Al Zawia at this point.

The Map doesnt show Brega, which has for the most part been rendered combat ineffective. The game is almost up.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-15 06:03:05
August 15 2011 05:53 GMT
#2255
[image loading]

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi has urged his supporters to fight for the country "inch by inch" as opposition forces launched a two-pronged offensive in western Libya that threatens to isolate the capital of Tripoli.

Facing the sternest challenge of his decades-long rule, Gaddafi on Monday called on Libyans to arm themselves to liberate the country from "traitors and from NATO" in a broadcast on state television.

The speech, which was broadcast in audio only with no images, was the first time Gaddafi had spoken in public since rebel fighters launched their biggest offensive in months.

"The Libyan people will remain and the Fateh revolution (which brought Gaddafi to power in 1969) will remain. Move forward, challenge, pick up your weapons, go to the fight for liberating Libya inch by inch from the traitors and from NATO," Gaddafi said.

"Get ready for the fight ... The blood of martyrs is fuel for the battlefield," he added.

Opposition fighters fought for control of the towns of Gharyan and Az-Zawiyah on Sunday, attempting to cut off the southern coastal route from Tunisia that Gaddafi uses for supplies.

Zeina Khodr, Al Jazeera's correspondent in Az-Zawiyah, reported that the rebels had taken control of a bridge along which the highway from Tripoli to Tunisia runs, but that central areas of the city remained contested, with Gaddafi forces employing snipers and mortar fire.

The battle also raged near the gates of the city.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 15 2011 20:47 GMT
#2256
[image loading]
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
userstupidname
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden272 Posts
August 15 2011 21:08 GMT
#2257
On August 08 2011 05:43 Auross wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 05:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:
War crimes are the victors punishing the losers for losing. Winners never stand trial for their war crimes.


Ummm...

No.

Not accurate (winners never stand trial for their war crimes) and again not accurate (war crimes are the victors punishing the losers for losing).


No?? What he said is, unfortunatelly, true. Could please come with exemples of winners being judged for war crimes?



Derp herp.. I can assure you that there has been soldiers and officers who have been decommisioned or dishonorable discharged for horrific actions.....



Good luck have fun! - Except if its ZvZ Then you can burn in hell :D
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 15 2011 22:41 GMT
#2258
Scud Missile(s) fired at Rebels:

The launch of the ballistic Scud missile, which has a range of more than 200 miles, was detected by a US Aegis destroyer in the Mediterranean on Sunday, officials told The Daily Telegraph.

The regime is thought to possess more than 100 of the Scud B variant missiles. It agreed to destroy them in a deal to end sanctions a decade ago, but rows over their replacement mean the systems remain intact.

Although military planners believe that the majority of the missiles were taken out in recent air strikes, several mobile brigades are thought still to exist.

The missile fired may have been targeting rebel troop formations around Ajdabiyah, a key junction town seized from the regime earlier this year and home to the advance military headquarters of the rebels. It is believed the missile landed in the desert.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
muse5187
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
1125 Posts
August 16 2011 03:27 GMT
#2259
He must be getting desperate to use scuds on infantry. Doesn't seem very cost effective.
HunterX11
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1048 Posts
August 16 2011 04:10 GMT
#2260
On August 16 2011 06:08 userstupidname wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2011 05:43 Auross wrote:
On August 08 2011 05:40 DeepElemBlues wrote:
War crimes are the victors punishing the losers for losing. Winners never stand trial for their war crimes.


Ummm...

No.

Not accurate (winners never stand trial for their war crimes) and again not accurate (war crimes are the victors punishing the losers for losing).


No?? What he said is, unfortunatelly, true. Could please come with exemples of winners being judged for war crimes?



Derp herp.. I can assure you that there has been soldiers and officers who have been decommisioned or dishonorable discharged for horrific actions.....





That's still not exactly the same as being put on trial at Nuremberg or the Hague. Probably the most famous example would be William Calley who ended up with 3.5 years of house arrest for the mass slaughter of Vietnamese civilians. Not exactly justice.
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