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Don't worry, German grammar police is in the building!
As the only example of "dynamical" in action seems to be the maths system I assume that it's only used IF it would be unclear otherwise that "dynamic" is used as an adjective.
F.e.:
"Dynamic Systems" -> "Dynamical Systems"
would mean different things if you didn't know what Dynamical Systems are (like me) and could be misinterpreted without the ending making clear that it's used as an adjective.
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On January 26 2011 19:30 CPTslut wrote: Don't worry, German grammar police is in the building!
As the only example of "dynamical" in action seems to be the maths system I assume that it's only used IF it would be unclear otherwise that "dynamic" is used as an adjective.
F.e.:
"Dynamic Systems" -> "Dynamical Systems"
would mean different things if you didn't know what Dynamical Systems are (like me) and could be misinterpreted without the ending making clear that it's used as an adjective. I find your name insulting to all us sluts.
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Don't question my competence, I truly am the captain of all sluts! I have a sweater that proves it, do you own a Cpt. Slut shirt?
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Just stand there and say D...y....n.....a.....m.....i....c....*look at the crowd, if they seem to expect you to continue the word.*...a....l. *Or stop if they don't look expectant.* There, done! Wooooo!
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On January 26 2011 09:37 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote: typical = typic theoretical = theoretic identical = identic heretic = heretical grammatical, no "grammatic"
good to know your tongue... Oh, only because a word seems not so super cool doesn't make it wrong. Also beeing "redundant, dumb, and redundant" in your opinion, does not make it wrong either, nor you may never heard of them except in one sense does make it wrong, nor you look very smart.
@dagobert: read the opening post, he already read leo.org s discussion :p No, but it being awkward for every use aside from dynamical systems does. The same with typic, theoretic, and identic. Typic and and identic are obsolete (and I've never seen or heard them actually used until your post).
Additionally, your heretic/heretical line is backwards, and heretic is a noun, not an adjective. The fact that I was a writing tutor in university certainly shows how much I don't know about English, Mr German.
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On January 26 2011 23:34 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 09:37 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote: typical = typic theoretical = theoretic identical = identic heretic = heretical grammatical, no "grammatic"
good to know your tongue... Oh, only because a word seems not so super cool doesn't make it wrong. Also beeing "redundant, dumb, and redundant" in your opinion, does not make it wrong either, nor you may never heard of them except in one sense does make it wrong, nor you look very smart.
@dagobert: read the opening post, he already read leo.org s discussion :p No, but it being awkward for every use aside from dynamical systems does. The same with typic, theoretic, and identic. Typic and and identic are obsolete (and I've never seen or heard them actually used until your post). Additionally, your heretic/heretical line is backwards, and heretic is a noun, not an adjective. The fact that I was a writing tutor in university certainly shows how much I don't know about English, Mr German. Oh, stop bickering about who knows more English, fellows: it's too vast a language for anyone to know completely. If anything, I find that well-educated foreign speakers of a language tend to have a better knowledge of obscure words that are usually passed over in favor of synonyms.
The "-ic" and "-ical" suffixes are nearly always synonymous, as I mentioned on the last page, although one form usually dominates for a given word. "Heretic" is an adjective (listed in the OED as rare), as is "grammatic" for that matter.
When I'm thinking about it, I usually use the shorter form (e.g. "grammatic" rather than "grammatical") but that's more an affectation of mine than anything else.
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According to Webster's it can be either, however, all of the usage examples are "dynamic." I've personally never heard or used "dynamical" as an adjective or in any other part of speech. Even though many adjectives end in "al," English is a language fraught with inconsistency and "dynamic' is far and wide the most common usage.
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What a dynamical discussion!
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In my experience, as stated by previous posters, I have only seen "dynamical" used in Linear Algebra with "Dynamical Systems". It's certainly a non-colloquial term with most usage being maths related. That's another thing - I never know whether to say math or maths. Foreign TA's I've had all said maths but American students and professors all say math.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory
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On January 26 2011 18:56 heyoka wrote: I've never heard the word "dynamical" either and I have a pen next to my name which makes me an expert. the reason you are acknowledged is because you give good arguments, not because you say you are acknowledged. you sound like "i have 2k posts, 3 digits shut up." come on.
On January 26 2011 23:34 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 09:37 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote: typical = typic theoretical = theoretic identical = identic heretic = heretical grammatical, no "grammatic"
good to know your tongue... Oh, only because a word seems not so super cool doesn't make it wrong. Also beeing "redundant, dumb, and redundant" in your opinion, does not make it wrong either, nor you may never heard of them except in one sense does make it wrong, nor you look very smart.
@dagobert: read the opening post, he already read leo.org s discussion :p No, but it being awkward for every use aside from dynamical systems does. The same with typic, theoretic, and identic. Typic and and identic are obsolete (and I've never seen or heard them actually used until your post). Additionally, your heretic/heretical line is backwards, and heretic is a noun, not an adjective. The fact that I was a writing tutor in university certainly shows how much I don't know about English, Mr German.
i want to learn. i dont learn from the argument, I am a (insert your status). i learn from reason. the words i researched are from dictionarys. only because you are what so ever, does not make uncommon words wrong. imHo ( where is the H gone recently)
ps.: also mutual discussion, with my honest oppinion: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=188398¤tpage=8#149
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On January 26 2011 04:33 Flicky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2011 04:27 Euronyme wrote: Get some british people in here. Usually stuff like this is the british english / NA english difference. Dynamical is some fucking abomination of a word.
But it's a word, so I guess you could use it if you really don't like dynamic.
IMO Dynamic > Dynamical haha
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whoever says dynamical is a word deserves to be dragged naked into a street and shot as public reminder to stop fucking with English
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This reminds me when I used the word "ironical" at a party, and all of the university graduates said it wasn't a word and I made it up. Then proceeded to have an orgy. I was the geek who pulled their dictionary off the shelf, and highlighted the word "ironical."
Just because someone hasn't heard a word, or ever used it themselves, doesn't necessairly mean it is wrong. My advice as a translator would be to find papers similar to those read and written by your target audience and use that version of the word. Or, if your concern is with yourself as an individual author, use the word you feel is best, as both are correct.
If you do use dynamical, just make sure you eat your candy bars with a fork.
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On January 26 2011 09:37 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote: typic theoretic identic
Never, ever seen these in print.
typisch, identisch and theoretisch, sure.
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On January 29 2011 10:25 d_so wrote: whoever says dynamical is a word deserves to be dragged naked into a street and shot as public reminder to stop fucking with English
HEY this is totally reasonable!!
wait.... NO?
you are really funny, like yea read some of your posts and it was entertaining.
like realy entertaining, without any content, you are really good, go on
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On January 27 2011 02:55 j0k3r wrote:In my experience, as stated by previous posters, I have only seen "dynamical" used in Linear Algebra with "Dynamical Systems". It's certainly a non-colloquial term with most usage being maths related. That's another thing - I never know whether to say math or maths. Foreign TA's I've had all said maths but American students and professors all say math. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory
"math" and "maths" are both abbreviations for "mathematics" so if you want to be totally correct you have to say "mathematics"
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About-to-graduate physicist here (and grammar nazi).
I do computational quantum chromodynamics, and in our field it is "dynamical" in this context e.g. "three flavors of dynamical quarks".
It's not a construction in common usage, but in physics usage (and presumably in computational chemistry, which likely shares a lot of terminology), "dynamical" is usually used to describe "having the property of motion/change". This is probably because "dynamics" is used as a noun, to mean "a description of something's motion/change" (i.e. "electrodynamics", meaning the sense in which electromagnetic fields change, in contrast to electrostatics), and "dynamical" is just the adjective form.
It would be confusing if "dynamic" were the adjective but "dynamics" were a noun. So "dynamic" is deprecated in favor of "dynamical".
Yes, it sounds awkward outside of a scientific context, but it's the construct in common usage in the sciences.
Hope this helps.
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Dynamical is also used in Engineering/Physics in the context of dynamical systems. Mostly though the word used in English is dynamic, and it should be dynamic in the OP's example.
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