In this case it is not a grammatical question. This are two words that mean exactly the same, with the difference that dynamic also can be used as a noun and dynamic beeing more common.(edited contradiction rofl)

The word dynamical is used to be known only in a educated/scientific audience, so if you like to sound intellectual, not like the usual tler, you should use it. A poll would direct you to dynamic tho.

decaf

Austria1797 Posts

January 25 2011 20:45 GMT

#23

On January 26 2011 05:27 Gummy wrote:
You should make a poll since grammar by democracy is always effective.

In fact you're right.
The language is made up by the speakers of that language. If all of a sudden everyone says dynamical it would become a new word.

iSTime

1579 Posts

January 25 2011 20:46 GMT

#24

Only ever heard the world dynamical in "Dynamical Systems".

VabuDeltaKaiser

Germany1107 Posts

January 25 2011 21:01 GMT

#25

On January 26 2011 05:45 decaf wrote:

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In fact you're right.
The language is made up by the speakers of that language. If all of a sudden everyone says dynamical it would become a new word.

As i already pointed out, you are wrong in this case because the main difference between these two words is that "dynamic" is more common.

Gummy

United States2180 Posts

January 25 2011 21:08 GMT

#26

I was joking. In physics there is a particular branch called "dynamics" so the implied noun form is dynamic for particular results and the adjective is "dynamical." i
It is nothing more than an attempt at disambiguation.

Jonoman92

United States9103 Posts

January 25 2011 21:17 GMT

#27

I've never head the word dynamical. I don't think many people ever have. Best to stick with dynamic imo. Personally, if I heard someone say dynamical (if I hadn't seen this thread) I'd be skeptical.

tofucake

Hyrule19057 Posts

January 25 2011 21:22 GMT

#28

I've changed many instances of "dynamical" to "dynamic" in LP...because "dynamical" is redundant, dumb, and redundant. My personal belief is that "dynamical" got started the same way as "irregardless" but nobody noticed fast enough, so it became "real" (but it's still dumb).

There are a few legitimate uses of the word though, such as a Dynamical System.

domovoi

United States1478 Posts

January 25 2011 21:27 GMT

#29

Dynamical would essentially mean exactly the same thing but sounds completely retarded. Similar examples are: Economical and Majestical.

Americans seem more likely to add the "-al" and they're never right about the language. Seriously, it sounds stupid.

I'm an American who's read quite an extensive set of American literature and published material, and I've never heard of the term Dynamical, Majestical or Economical (except in the sense of being efficient).

stepover12

United States175 Posts

January 25 2011 23:53 GMT

#30

On January 26 2011 03:27 LaughingTulkas wrote:
Dynamical just sounds fake and will probably make some of listeners, just like us TLers, think you are making stuff up. Even if it is a word, you'll make some of the people hearing it think that you made it up/are uneducated. Much better to stick with dynamic.

There's a branch of mathematics called "dynamical systems", but never "dynamic(s) systems".

BottleAbuser

Korea (South)1888 Posts

January 26 2011 00:06 GMT

#31

Possibly the word has the merit of being part of another, actually useful word: "dynamically."

sc4k

United Kingdom5454 Posts

January 26 2011 00:10 GMT

#32

just like ironical can be used in lieu of ironic, dynamical can be for ironic. But it makes you look like a douchey know it all (ie really fucking good hehehe).

qrs

United States3637 Posts

January 26 2011 00:18 GMT

#33

Pretty much any adjective you can think of that ends in "-ic" has the alternate ending "-ical". Sometimes the "-ic" version is more common (as with this word), sometimes the "-ical" version is more common (ex. "cylindrical"). I can't offer a good reason for this redundancy except that English is a rather haphazard language. Sometimes the two versions evolve to develop different connotations (like the scientific use of "dynamical" that people mentioned) but often they remain virtually identical except that one becomes dominant.

Dagobert

Netherlands1858 Posts

January 26 2011 00:24 GMT

#34

Hm, luckily only two pages, so there's still hope.

Try to form the adverb to "dynamic" without -al(l).
Now try the same with -al(l).

Now let's assume there's someone who reads "...is dynamically adjusted..." and wants to change the adverb to an adjective. Have a guess what the result will be.

By the way, there's a discussions page on leo.org. Use it.

VabuDeltaKaiser

Germany1107 Posts

January 26 2011 00:37 GMT

#35

typical = typic
theoretical = theoretic
identical = identic
heretic = heretical
grammatical, no "grammatic"

good to know your tongue... Oh, only because a word seems not so super cool doesn't make it wrong.
Also beeing "redundant, dumb, and redundant" in your opinion, does not make it wrong either, nor you may never heard of them except in one sense does make it wrong, nor you look very smart.

@dagobert: read the opening post, he already read leo.org s discussion :p

SpiritoftheTunA

United States20903 Posts

January 26 2011 00:47 GMT

#36

I think dynamical might have a special meaning in math, cuz my dad wrote a book on something like that...

http://www.amazon.com/Qualitative-Dynamical-Systems-Applied-Mathematics/dp/0824705262

"Qualitative Theory of Dynamical Systems"

edit:

On January 26 2011 08:53 stepover12 wrote:

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There's a branch of mathematics called "dynamical systems", but never "dynamic(s) systems".

yeah this

Archaic

United States4024 Posts

January 26 2011 00:53 GMT

#37

My English teacher used to use "ironical" all the time when I would have used "ironic." I never really understood the difference, if there even was one, but I just trusted that he used it correctly. I am fairly certain he knew what he was talking about.

VabuDeltaKaiser

Germany1107 Posts

January 26 2011 05:37 GMT

#38

if you post in this thread, reality may rule your opinion, like in the first post.

Mr.Loki

Germany136 Posts

January 26 2011 09:53 GMT

#39

Edit: I think "-ic" is just another of the suffixes, so my previous thought here, is probably wrong...

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On January 26 2011 06:08 Gummy wrote:
I was joking. In physics there is a particular branch called "dynamics" so the implied noun form is dynamic for particular results and the adjective is "dynamical."

Could that be the answer? I didn't really pay attention to it at the beginning, but if I compare with German, we have the suffix "-isch", or "-lich" to make an adjective out of a noun. As I understand it, it's the same with "-al" in English. (Klinik - klinisch; Historie - historisch; clinic - clinical; history - historical)
There are also suffixes to make a noun out of an adjective (happy - happiness;...). In some way the original form is either an adjective or a noun, and the other part can be constructed. For "dynamic" the adjective is the original form, so "dynamical" sounds like "happical", or something like that.
But then there is the specific field in physics, chemistry and, as you say mathematics called "dynamics". Although it's called so, because it describes dynamic systems, it's seen as a new noun and thus the fitting adjective would be dynamical.

(Maybe I'm totally wrong, but thinking about this surprisingly is kind of interesting.

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