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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 16 2014 19:48 GMT
#821
NASA TV is live.

They are showing SpaceX, and Blue Origin launch demos. Boeing etc are just animated demos.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 16 2014 20:00 GMT
#822
Here we go.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 16 2014 20:06 GMT
#823
It's Boeing and SpaceX as Sen. Bill Nelson just spilled it on CNN.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 20:07:47
September 16 2014 20:07 GMT
#824
Forbes predicted Boeing, are they splitting the bids between these 2? or just narrowing their choices?
iirc the article said there were 2 contracts available, one big one and a smaller one.
liftlift > tsm
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
September 16 2014 20:08 GMT
#825
http://www.ustream.tv/nasahdtv

Confirmed winners of CCtCap are SpaceX and Boeing.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 16 2014 20:09 GMT
#826
So SpaceX deservedly so, and Boeing who threatened it's way to a contract.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 16 2014 20:11 GMT
#827
And now Bolden is talking about Orion -.- Jesus.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 16 2014 20:14 GMT
#828
Boeing will get $4.2 billion, SpaceX $2.6 billion.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
September 16 2014 20:15 GMT
#829
On September 17 2014 05:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
And now Bolden is talking about Orion -.- Jesus.


Yaawn...

Just tell us the details of the contracts.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 20:24:36
September 16 2014 20:21 GMT
#830
Calling it right now the Dragon V2 will be first to have man flight test while Boeing ask for delay in unmanned abort tests.
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
September 16 2014 20:27 GMT
#831
So apparently the split is $4.2bn to Boeing and $2.6bn to Spacex.

The Boeing Corporation (Boeing) and Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) have each presented to us designs that will allow us to fly crews to the International Space Station in just a few years. Respectively, the vehicles are Boeing’s CST-100 and SpaceX’s Dragon. The total potential contract value is $4.2 billion for Boeing and $2.6 billion for SpaceX. The spacecraft will launch from Kennedy Space Center – Cape Canaveral complex.


This is from NASA's website. It follows Bolden's words from the press conference almost exactly. Except he didn't give a breakdown live, just the $6.8bn total amount.

http://blogs.nasa.gov/bolden/2014/09/16/american-companies-selected-to-return-astronaut-launches-to-american-soil/
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 16 2014 20:31 GMT
#832
So Boeing gets more money for making a system that is more expensive, this is standard practice for government contractors.

Now it's up to SpaceX and Bigelow Aerospace to start pushing non ISS flights and projects to make NASA doubletake on seat Boeing seat prices.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 20:32:47
September 16 2014 20:32 GMT
#833
Is there any truth to Boeing leveraging their contracts, and the track record of Gov't contracts to gain this one? I mean, SpaceX has proven track record for this, but Boeing is significantly bigger, with better infrastructure, it won't take much for them to catch up.
On September 17 2014 05:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boeing gets more money for making a system that is more expensive, this is standard practice for government contractors.

Now it's up to SpaceX and Bigelow Aerospace to start pushing non ISS flights and projects to make NASA doubletake on seat Boeing seat prices.

The funny bit, is this contract is the cherry on top for SpaceX, their valuation wasn't based on their ability to gain this contract.
liftlift > tsm
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 16 2014 20:35 GMT
#834
On September 17 2014 05:32 wei2coolman wrote:
Is there any truth to Boeing leveraging their contracts, and the track record of Gov't contracts to gain this one? I mean, SpaceX has proven track record for this, but Boeing is significantly bigger, with better infrastructure, it won't take much for them to catch up.
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 05:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boeing gets more money for making a system that is more expensive, this is standard practice for government contractors.

Now it's up to SpaceX and Bigelow Aerospace to start pushing non ISS flights and projects to make NASA doubletake on seat Boeing seat prices.

The funny bit, is this contract is the cherry on top for SpaceX, their valuation wasn't based on their ability to gain this contract.


Yes, Boeing also threatened to lay off thousands of workers in certain fields due to "cut backs" if they weren't chosen. Their infrastructure isn't the issue, they have nothing to start testing for at least a year and a half from an engineering standpoint. Nothing at all. Meanwhile PpaceX is considering attempting unmanned abort tests on it's Dragon V2 this year!
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
September 16 2014 20:39 GMT
#835
On September 17 2014 05:32 wei2coolman wrote:
Is there any truth to Boeing leveraging their contracts, and the track record of Gov't contracts to gain this one? I mean, SpaceX has proven track record for this, but Boeing is significantly bigger, with better infrastructure, it won't take much for them to catch up.
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 05:31 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
So Boeing gets more money for making a system that is more expensive, this is standard practice for government contractors.

Now it's up to SpaceX and Bigelow Aerospace to start pushing non ISS flights and projects to make NASA doubletake on seat Boeing seat prices.

The funny bit, is this contract is the cherry on top for SpaceX, their valuation wasn't based on their ability to gain this contract.


They're not leveraging their contracts they're leveraging their contacts

I mean they just got $1.6bn more for what the NASA official confirmed was exactly the same requirements as SpaceX's.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 16 2014 20:39 GMT
#836
Jesus that's disgusting of Boeing.
liftlift > tsm
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 20:47:39
September 16 2014 20:45 GMT
#837
So the run down seems to be:

  • SpaceX and Boeing get $4.2 billion, SpaceX $2.6 billion respectfully in NASA contracts. SpaceX ready to test later this year. Boeing TBD.
  • Sierra Nevada Corporation will heading ESA possibly JAXA way.
  • To survive Blue Origin and the ULA have reached a commercial agreement to develop a next gen engine to replace the Russian ones.


The guessing game starts with/if SpaceX and Bigelow reach agreements with non NASA agencies to establish other non ISS infrastructure. Then Boeing gets backed into a corner.
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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
September 16 2014 22:47 GMT
#838
I'm happy that SpaceX got the contract, Boeing? mehh, Hopefully this pushes them to move a little faster.
Life?
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 23:06:18
September 16 2014 23:01 GMT
#839
Like I said a few pages ago, I did not see a way in which Boeing did not win there bid for this exact reason. Being huge has its advantages and this is one of them.
DragonSharp
Profile Joined October 2009
United States85 Posts
September 17 2014 01:23 GMT
#840
Choosing Boeing is honestly a safer choice and they are the only company that just recently completed all of their milestones. So they're just basically waiting to see if they got the contract.


Though I'm sad that SNC ended up being the loser here. I have a lot of good friends who worked there right now.
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