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Taosu
Ukraine1074 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:45 ChEDo wrote: wow i saw this on bbc :/ i hope nothing crazy happens..stupid nk what are they doing 1. Defending their turf. 2. Telling SK it's a bad idea to do drills in the disputed waters. 3. Begging for money. | ||
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vnlegend
United States1389 Posts
The only reason NK has survived this far was basically by acting like a big baby throwing a tantrum every couple of months/years and the international community has been supporting this kind of behavior by giving money/aid to them. Just cut off everything and let them starve themselves out and hope the population will rebel against the government. | ||
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RamenStyle
United States1929 Posts
Seriously, the situation there is sooo fucked up and it seems like everyone is ok with the needling from NK if it avoids a fist fight. | ||
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P00RKID
United States424 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:18 fainez wrote: and let more die every time n.k. decides it wants to play again? no. allowing people to be killed because we are afraid of what needs to be done to stop them is not acceptable. NK needs to just surrender to the south. It will never happen without a war though. So people will die no matter what. Better that the people die in a war than to just be killed by a bully that you try to "ignore". | ||
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KF91
Canada221 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:51 RamenStyle wrote: I fear this might be some kind of demonstration from the new NK leader, which would confirm that he is even more stupid and sadistic than his predecessors. Seriously, the situation there is sooo fucked up and it seems like everyone is ok with the needling from NK if it avoids a fist fight. That would definitely be the worst case scenario O.o, I think SK and NK would have done better if they had signed a treaty of some sort before tensions were at this level, but I have no idea what they will do now with all these events going on -.- | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:52 P00RKID wrote: NK needs to just surrender to the south. It will never happen without a war though. So people will die no matter what. Better that the people die in a war than to just be killed by a bully that you try to "ignore". NK hasn't been threatened by the south, what's to surrender to? yeah, better people to die in war.. rofl | ||
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enzym
Germany1034 Posts
But cases like this and the situation of the majority of people in NK show how little the leaders of NK care about others, and if we do anything that seriously signals them war than we are in for a lot of death, destruction and suffering as well. I don't know what to do about this, but I hope anything that's gonna be done is done so with great consideration and care. I'm going to bed now and hope that the world (read: South Korea) will still be there tomorrow. It is an interesting thing and also a great tragedy. I need to know how this gets resolved. | ||
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Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:34 Gao Xi wrote: If it was that easy it wouldn't have come to this. That being said the situation has gotten so fucked up over the years. In other words, human beings are pretty stupid. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:51 vnlegend wrote: This whole "we sink your ships and kill your people for food" strategy of NK must be punished. It's the most messed up thing to attack and other people while demanding food/money. The only reason NK has survived this far was basically by acting like a big baby throwing a tantrum every couple of months/years and the international community has been supporting this kind of behavior by giving money/aid to them. Just cut off everything and let them starve themselves out and hope the population will rebel against the government. so its ok to punish the entire nation of N.Korea to starve because of the clowns running the country? | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:55 Shizuru~ wrote: so its ok to punish the entire nation of N.Korea to starve because of the clowns running the country? Out of curiosity, your alternative? | ||
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P00RKID
United States424 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:53 Shigy wrote: NK hasn't been threatened by the south, what's to surrender to? yeah, better people to die in war.. rofl That is the point, they aren't going to just surrender, especially if you do nothing at all. Die doing nothing vs die doing something. | ||
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Shigy
United States346 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:59 P00RKID wrote: That is the point, they aren't going to just surrender, especially if you do nothing at all. Die doing nothing vs die doing something. but you are advocating war? what the hell man. other people suggested unification via assloads of money. concessions in relief and aid are better than a huge retaliation that starts world war 3 | ||
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clementdudu
France819 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:57 FabledIntegral wrote: Out of curiosity, your alternative? doing what's in place for years,with one dead every two years. Yeah i know im crazy,i value more 20 000 000 lives of innocent NKorean than one life of a soldier ready for battle. The system in Nkorea will eventually collapse,no need to force that by killing millions of innocent. | ||
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P00RKID
United States424 Posts
On November 24 2010 06:05 Shigy wrote: but you are advocating war? what the hell man. other people suggested unification via assloads of money. concessions in relief and aid are better than a huge retaliation that starts world war 3 And that has been working wonders, hasn't it? Throw money at the problem and it goes away, right? That is the solution? At school, did giving the bully your lunch money stop him from asking for it again later? | ||
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Surrealz
United States449 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:55 Shizuru~ wrote: so its ok to punish the entire nation of N.Korea to starve because of the clowns running the country? There is alot of patriotism and nationalism in the hearts of North Koreans (as it should of course, all of us love our own turf), so its pretty ignorant to just say that its just the government that is bad. In my opinion the most effective course of action is the continued isolation of NK, as well as continued sanctions by the UN. Its a messy situation, sucks that the philosophy of these people leading NK are centuries behind the western world. | ||
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yamtaro
Australia14 Posts
On November 24 2010 05:51 vnlegend wrote: This whole "we sink your ships and kill your people for food" strategy of NK must be punished. It's the most messed up thing to attack and other people while demanding food/money. The only reason NK has survived this far was basically by acting like a big baby throwing a tantrum every couple of months/years and the international community has been supporting this kind of behavior by giving money/aid to them. Just cut off everything and let them starve themselves out and hope the population will rebel against the government. This is actually the best way to guarantee a war. North Korea is in a position where they can't surrender because then they will be subject to what ever demands the South makes. They've basically been pushed into a corner, abandoned by their once allies to their own devices and now they're desperately trying to get out of this situation without giving in, and really you cant blame them, surrendering in a war isnt just "oh cool wars over lets go home and make tea and crumpets" it destroys nations, you think North Korea is a pretty poor place now for living standards? Wait untill their economy is destroyed, they're banned from having any form of millitary. Its not something any government could accept, to condemn its people to even further poverty. I'm not advocating what North Korea is doing, but you need to look at things from their perspective, this is a war that they've been fighting for decades now, and something they've invested everything into, they cant just let it go after so many deaths on their side in an attempt to win. At this point trying to "starve" them out would guarantee an all out war with the entire nation backing them. | ||
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Grobyc
Canada18410 Posts
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tieya
United States308 Posts
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clementdudu
France819 Posts
On November 24 2010 06:08 Surrealz wrote: There is alot of patriotism and nationalism in the hearts of North Koreans (as it should of course, all of us love our own turf), so its pretty ignorant to just say that its just the government that is bad. In my opinion the most effective course of action is the continued isolation of NK, as well as continued sanctions by the UN. Its a messy situation, sucks that the philosophy of these people leading NK are centuries behind the western world. I'd love to know what Nkorea inside source is giving you your informations on how much the people of Nkorea would back up his government if it wasnt for fear of it. Usually,humans do no like to starve to death while having relatives tortured/kidnapped/killed and not able to move freely. But eh they are crazy asians fanatics,and they do lots of flowery shows in honor of their leader,so they must be pretty patriotic! Guess wh'os ignorant. | ||
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smallblacksun
United States12 Posts
On November 24 2010 06:06 clementdudu wrote: doing what's in place for years,with one dead every two years. Yeah i know im crazy,i value more 20 000 000 lives of innocent NKorean than one life of a soldier ready for battle. The system in Nkorea will eventually collapse,no need to force that by killing millions of innocent. Remember that most of those 20 million are starving, and that there are hundreds of thousands of political prisoners in internment camps. | ||
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