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On November 23 2010 17:29 drhojo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:25 VikingKong wrote:On November 23 2010 17:22 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:19 StorkHwaiting wrote:On November 23 2010 17:11 drhojo wrote:On November 23 2010 17:10 Fenrax wrote:
If China wanted a war, they'd start one. War is the last thing China wants. they want an excuse so that they can get public support for it. Sub 100 poster and you're already trying to flame bait and say nonsense propaganda? Seriously just stop talking. This isn't a thread for infantile bullshit geopolitics 101. your elitism is so much better than my "infantile bullshit geopolitics." I'm just presenting an alternate, plausible view. as someone who is from China and visits it regularly I can say with certainty you can never trust the Chinese government. Only it's not plausible at all. Not trusting the Chinese government isn't the same as what you said. China didn't and doesn't want a war. Do you have some sort access to privileged information? Because just because the Chinese governments says they dont' want war doesn't mean anything. First, I already said you shouldn't trust them and second no one is going to announce war without attacking first.
Do you have access to privileged information? What possible reason would China have to start a war? Why would they do that? And no one cares what you say unless you prove it. I say that you CAN trust China. What now?
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On November 23 2010 17:22 Gummy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:21 Bshad wrote:
So far it looks like the only country that would benefit from this conflict is US. God Bless America? :\
I'm confused as to how the US benefits from this. (aggregate gain)
Sure we gain the peninsula, but what would we be gaining? A radioactive husk? Do we know? We lose a vast amount of lives (If the first Korean War is any indication) for minimal potential gain. I don't see any benefit at all
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I say if they want war, give them war.
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China and japan does not like this. There nations stock already plummeted because of this.
Asian economy would decrease if war broke on the korean peninsula. South Korea has the 4th best economy in asia.
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On November 23 2010 17:30 ParasitJonte wrote:
A part of me wants a war to liberate the north korean people.
It's so sad how a few people can condemn an entire nation. What's sadder is that they're not even smart enough to move to capitalism in a peaceful fashion.
No one would get liberated and there would be massive casualties.
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Pretty sure China is going to have to set Kim Jon Il straight and stop this stupid shit they have been doing.
Nobody wants to go with NK. NK citizens either have no clue what is going on outside NK or are too scared, and rightfully so, to do anything. China doesn't want a refugee invasion. US doesn't need another war. SK I am sure doesn't want war either.
There is no fucking way US/China are going to war with each other over this. There wouldn't be a war. I am pretty confident the US would just shoot nukes and china would respond with nukes.
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On November 23 2010 17:24 SilverskY wrote:
Is this affecting any of the normal, everyday events of Korea? Like is there a day off of work, etc.?
The Korea composite stock index is down 0.79% before closing, but military equipment producer shares such as Victek rose up to a good 5%. The won fell sharply obviously, and USD jumped way up.
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Anyone have any streams of US news services reporting on the incident?
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On November 23 2010 17:29 Two_DoWn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:28 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
The real question is; Will Obama find his testicles and kill some North Koreans. Really? Do you think at all before you post?
I'd have thought the answer to that would've been obvious by the post itself...
The fact is, nobody shells one place repeatedly for an hour "by mistake"...
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Zurich15328 Posts
On November 23 2010 17:28 CanucksJC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:24 T0fuuu wrote:
Im prolly gonna get flamed for this. But if I was North Korea watching an island on the border and saw KR/US soldiers rehearsing an invasion then I would be a bit paranoid as well. That's assuming that this incident wasnt a calculated attack with political motives and it was a response to a perceived invasion.
Anyways I am pretty annoyed at the South Korean leadership. I know that conscription/military service is a part of life in that country and that they are a very proud people but they treat their soldiers like shit. 50 dead in a boating accident, getting shot at in a guard post then 4 dead and houses on fire in artillery attack? In any other country, a sunken warship, 50 dead soldiers and an attack on soil would be enough to resume a war. The response of the south koreans just amazes me. Its like a huge cultural wall for me to even try to understand why they won't fight back. Are soldiers lives really that expendable that you can afford a few dead here and there for "peace".
So what do you suggest they do? Call a war and kill more soldiers? No.
Still, everyone should be honest about it and not downplay the continuous incidents the North provokes. See my view on the same matter a couple of months ago:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=7053097
As long as the North sees the South wimp out on every occasion they have every reason to continue escalating small scale attacks like the one we see today.
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Has the U.S made a response yet?
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On November 23 2010 17:30 Bshad wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:24 mustaju wrote:On November 23 2010 17:22 Gummy wrote:On November 23 2010 17:21 Bshad wrote:
So far it looks like the only country that would benefit from this conflict is US. God Bless America? :\ Yes, because it's military forces are not already spread out, and because war is so popular there. Really, everyone actually loses. My condolences to the people afraid for their lives in Korea right now. Nah actually if the war starts China will have to divert a lot resources towards defend from possible invasion from US. So China will surely wont be as much of economical superpower as it is now. US wins.
Aren't Chinas military expenditures already relatively high? I really don't think the situation is clear cut. Let's hope we won't find out.
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On November 23 2010 17:29 nard wrote:nothing better than some war news to push the dollar: ![[image loading]](http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/gono/USDJPY%2011.23_0.jpg)
Well, this image is a bit misleading.
It's the exchange between USD and JPY. Of course Japan would suffer more economical damage in case of an escalation because they are heavily tied to SK and China economically. Same goes with USD and Renminbi (dunno how it's abbreviated).
Exchange rates between USD and € would be a bit more interesting here.
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On November 23 2010 17:31 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:22 Gummy wrote:On November 23 2010 17:21 Bshad wrote:
So far it looks like the only country that would benefit from this conflict is US. God Bless America? :\ I'm confused as to how the US benefits from this. (aggregate gain) Sure we gain the peninsula, but what would we be gaining? A radioactive husk? Do we know? We lose a vast amount of lives (If the first Korean War is any indication) for minimal potential gain. I don't see any benefit at all
China would become more exposed and then its just "They got chemical weapons/not democracy/flavor of the month excuse to invade a coutnry". US dollar will skyrocket.
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On November 23 2010 17:31 Risen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:22 Gummy wrote:On November 23 2010 17:21 Bshad wrote:
So far it looks like the only country that would benefit from this conflict is US. God Bless America? :\ I'm confused as to how the US benefits from this. (aggregate gain) Sure we gain the peninsula, but what would we be gaining? A radioactive husk? Do we know? We lose a vast amount of lives (If the first Korean War is any indication) for minimal potential gain. I don't see any benefit at all
I think the answer to this is of immense complicated nature but it also may be moot. It's probably a lot to do with the outdated cold-war anti communism polemic. (Something like beating NK > beating communism > spreading democracy > weakening China). But like I said, it's probably a very long stretch now and irrelevant. There is most likely nothing to gain anymore given (to reference Friedman) the "flatness" of the global world.
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On November 23 2010 17:32 jstar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 17:24 SilverskY wrote:
Is this affecting any of the normal, everyday events of Korea? Like is there a day off of work, etc.? The Korea composite stock index is down 0.79% before closing, but military equipment producer shares such as Victek rose up to a good 5%. The won fell sharply obviously, and USD jumped way up.
won and yen apparently, the economics in the whole region aren't doing so well.
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WWJD
What Would day[J] Do?
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Mine ended, anymore links?! Pleaseee!!
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