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papyrus
Profile Joined August 2010
Philippines716 Posts
August 20 2011 11:24 GMT
#1761
I recently bought an OEM Beats Studios, has good sound quality and look like the real deal. I never owned an authentic beats before, but they said the sound quality is the same as the authentic ones. For me they sound great so I think its really true.
CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
August 20 2011 12:39 GMT
#1762
I keep seeing people using quality headsets (Sennheisers, Grado, the likes) with crappy sound cards, and it makes me want to cry. Get a nice soundcard (HT Claro for example), or a more expensive amp/DAC combo, if you're going to be investing in a good headset, then you need a good DAC solution to be able to utilize it.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-21 00:48:28
August 21 2011 00:39 GMT
#1763
On August 20 2011 21:39 CatNzHat wrote:
I keep seeing people using quality headsets (Sennheisers, Grado, the likes) with crappy sound cards, and it makes me want to cry. Get a nice soundcard (HT Claro for example), or a more expensive amp/DAC combo, if you're going to be investing in a good headset, then you need a good DAC solution to be able to utilize it.


After thinking about it, I'll make it clearer.

Modern sound cards are not crap.
Amplifiers for most common headphones like the M50 and HD555 will not noticeably increase the sound.
People with Grados probably know what they're doing.
You're much better off spending the $150 from the sound card on a better pair of headphones.
Headphones are not headsets.

The world is not full of audiophiles.

You should not be crying, but celebrating that people are looking for the best headphones for their money instead of blindly following whatever is currently the craze. Buying headphones is something they'll do only when their headphones break. And that's all they'll ever spend. Not everyone needs to do this for a hobby.

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Your suggesting a $150 sound card to match sub-$200 headphones? Might as well simply buy a $350 pair of headphones. At least then you won't be wasting your money. Spending the money on headphones will always provide a bigger difference than buying an amplifier, except in some specific cases.

All modern sound cards are perfectly fine for headphones. It honestly seems like you're trying to justify your own purchases. Some sound cards like the Claros have decent dedicated amplifiers, but will not provide any discernible differences, especially for the novice that doesn't have the complete rig yet.

There are many headphones that do not require any amplifier to get over 95% of their sound. The M50s and the HD555s fall into that category, and those are the most popular headphones.

And I don't know how you "keep seeing people using quality headsets" like Grado, since Grado doesn't make headsets, and Grado is the least popular audiophile level headphone company. The people who buy Grado more often than not actually know what they're doing.

Again, you don't need anything to utilize it. To help you visualize, the sound increase from getting an amplifier will only be about 10% at best unless you're using crap to begin with. And no, modern sound cards wouldn't be considered crap unless you own some $400+ rig already. Not everyone is looking to spend all that money on headphones.
There is no one like you in the universe.
Twistacles
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1327 Posts
August 21 2011 01:52 GMT
#1764
On August 20 2011 21:39 CatNzHat wrote:
I keep seeing people using quality headsets (Sennheisers, Grado, the likes) with crappy sound cards, and it makes me want to cry. Get a nice soundcard (HT Claro for example), or a more expensive amp/DAC combo, if you're going to be investing in a good headset, then you need a good DAC solution to be able to utilize it.


In my experience, the Realtek ALC889 onboard soundcard I have sounds the same as my friend's fancy soundcard, and most forums will confirm this.

Dacs are too expensive
"If you don't give a shit which gum you buy, get stride" - Tyler
-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
August 21 2011 06:21 GMT
#1765
Anyone has any experience with skullcandy headphones? Im in the US right now and a friend of mine bought some, both in ear and "real" ones and I usually use senheiser in ears and im just blown away right now. The bass is just, wow xD But the thought that those sound better then might which costed twice as much is kinda weird.

Im just wondering if this is placebo or if theyre really that good
xHassassin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States270 Posts
August 21 2011 06:28 GMT
#1766
Can anyone link me to a foobar setup guide?

Also I need a sound card in the sub fifty range, last card was an xtrememusic but it died on me. Suggestions?
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
August 21 2011 17:29 GMT
#1767
On August 21 2011 15:28 xHassassin wrote:
Can anyone link me to a foobar setup guide?

Also I need a sound card in the sub fifty range, last card was an xtrememusic but it died on me. Suggestions?


What do you need to set up? In my experience, Foobar is pretty much plug and play. The only thing you need to do is direct the player to your music directory, maybe change the default layout and colours, and add some playlists.

The fancy stuff like custom skins come with all the per-requisites and their own instructions.

Layout editing mode lets you customize the default layout, so instead of having those wavy things that move with your music, you can change it to your album art, or a description of the artist, or lyrics, though lyric support is a bit broken.

As mentioned above, all sound cards are essentially the same. Just buy something popular that works. Buying something from Creative, Auzentech or HT Omega is the safest.
There is no one like you in the universe.
czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
August 21 2011 17:43 GMT
#1768
I have Creative Aurvana Live! after re-cabling and it sounds great! Highly recommend, i can compare them to Denon's headphones with price ~3x higher.
For PC i have PC360 form Sennheiser and if u have good sound card, go for it!
bRuTaL!!
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland588 Posts
August 21 2011 17:48 GMT
#1769
Bought recently:

Sennheiser 650
Asus Xonar STX
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
August 21 2011 22:50 GMT
#1770
On August 22 2011 02:48 bRuTaL!! wrote:
Bought recently:

Sennheiser 650
Asus Xonar STX


You should've saved up the $200 from the ASUS Xonar and bought a real amplifier instead. The Sennheiser HD 650s really deserve one, and really open up once you've got a quality $250+ amplifier behind them.

Still, the HD 650s are a great pair of headphones. They just need a good amplifier to give them that oomph over the competition.
There is no one like you in the universe.
mayhem123
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States101 Posts
August 22 2011 04:46 GMT
#1771
Hey, I'm looking to buy a new pair of headphones for gaming (fps/rts) and music. I don't really mind whether its open or closed, but I would like to keep it around $100~ (preferably lower though). I also would not like to get soft cushion ears as they are rather hard to clean. ^_^ I was thinking of getting the Sony MDR-V6. Watcha think?
FruitGG
Profile Joined August 2010
United States73 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 09:36:30
August 23 2011 09:36 GMT
#1772
if anyone is interested in a Westone 4, you might be interested in mine.

http://www.head-fi.org/t/568381/westone-4-also-trading-for-ultrasone-pro-900-cash#post_7703091
Left4Cookies
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Denmark803 Posts
August 23 2011 20:19 GMT
#1773
Ok, so I've now finally got a pair of Beyerdynamics DT880 600ohm and a Fiio E9, but when I plug it into my PC (out from my soundcard to the line in on the Fiio) and plug the DT880 into the 6.35mm jack something a little odd happens. When comparing the sound to my Sennheiser PC360, I must admit that I was expecting a bigger difference. Sure, there IS a difference, but it's not big to be honest.

Am I doing anything wrong? Have I, with this setup, reached the limit of what kind of audio quality my PC can output?
Engineering's like math. But LOUDER!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
August 23 2011 21:44 GMT
#1774
Well the limit of what your computer can do isn't exactly that low unless your sound card really sucks.

It's probably just some combination of (1) many people exaggerating differences between relatively mid-higher end gear and setting unrealistic expectations, (2) you being used to or preferring the type of sound signature the PC360 has as opposed to the DT880, and (3) the DT880 needing time to burn in (though differences after burning in for many headphones are slight at best).

What's the odd thing you're talking about when plugging into the 6.35mm jack?
57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
August 23 2011 21:54 GMT
#1775
Well, my Sennheisers broke a while back, so I decided to pick up a pair of new headphones while I was in Toronto over the weekend. Picked myself up a Sony MDR-XD200 for 25 dollars (plus a 15 insurance thing that gives me 2 free replacements). While I am still not entirely sure the quality is as good as my previous headphones, I do like the over-ear design over the on-ear.

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Hopfully these headphones and my two replacements will last until I can save for some good Sennheisers again.
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
Left4Cookies
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Denmark803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 06:23:19
August 24 2011 06:20 GMT
#1776
On August 24 2011 06:44 Myrmidon wrote:
Well the limit of what your computer can do isn't exactly that low unless your sound card really sucks.

It's probably just some combination of (1) many people exaggerating differences between relatively mid-higher end gear and setting unrealistic expectations, (2) you being used to or preferring the type of sound signature the PC360 has as opposed to the DT880, and (3) the DT880 needing time to burn in (though differences after burning in for many headphones are slight at best).

What's the odd thing you're talking about when plugging into the 6.35mm jack?


Well, there's nothing odd going on really. The "odd" thing was that the difference between the DT880's and the Sennheiser's is that it wasn't very big.

Do you have any experiences with an external DAC? I'm thinking the DAC in my Creative X-fi card could bottleneck the headphones? Or have I just reached the point where you pay an extreme amount of money for a very small upgrade?
Engineering's like math. But LOUDER!
Piggiez
Profile Joined March 2011
393 Posts
August 24 2011 06:27 GMT
#1777
On August 22 2011 13:46 adioN wrote:
Hey, I'm looking to buy a new pair of headphones for gaming (fps/rts) and music. I don't really mind whether its open or closed, but I would like to keep it around $100~ (preferably lower though). I also would not like to get soft cushion ears as they are rather hard to clean. ^_^ I was thinking of getting the Sony MDR-V6. Watcha think?


Audio Technica AD700. Has a great sound stage, so (for you - an fps player) it'll help with locating gunshots, footsteps, etc. It's an open model and you can find it on Amazon for $89 free shipping
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-24 06:36:24
August 24 2011 06:35 GMT
#1778
On August 24 2011 15:20 Left4Cookies wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2011 06:44 Myrmidon wrote:
Well the limit of what your computer can do isn't exactly that low unless your sound card really sucks.

It's probably just some combination of (1) many people exaggerating differences between relatively mid-higher end gear and setting unrealistic expectations, (2) you being used to or preferring the type of sound signature the PC360 has as opposed to the DT880, and (3) the DT880 needing time to burn in (though differences after burning in for many headphones are slight at best).

What's the odd thing you're talking about when plugging into the 6.35mm jack?


Well, there's nothing odd going on really. The "odd" thing was that the difference between the DT880's and the Sennheiser's is that it wasn't very big.

Do you have any experiences with an external DAC? I'm thinking the DAC in my Creative X-fi card could bottleneck the headphones? Or have I just reached the point where you pay an extreme amount of money for a very small upgrade?


Check and make sure there's no kind of poor automatic upsampling of 44.1 kHz (normal CD audio and all mp3s and so on derived from that) to 48 kHz going on. However, you'd hear any potential issues with that on both headphones.

It's more like the point of diminishing returns. Different headphones are a lot different compared to different DACs (that don't have huge problems or aren't otherwise trying to warm up the signal or enhance it like maybe some Audio-GD stuff, tube DACs, and so on. And even in those situations, the difference between different headphones is larger.).

Some people would say that dynamic (moving coil) headphones are all meh, and you should try planar magnetics, electrostatics, etc. But regardless of the implementation technology, it's just going to be vibrating and creating sound waves, so it shouldn't be like a completely different class of device.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
August 24 2011 06:41 GMT
#1779
amps > sound card. Don't waste your money on sound card too much, not going to help, you could buy amp and DAC as well
Buckus
Profile Joined June 2010
United States14 Posts
August 24 2011 06:48 GMT
#1780
Anyone know a good external sound card for my Audio Technica ATH-AD700's with a gigabyte motherboard (if that matters).
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