EPTHow do foreigners view US politics? - Page 49
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xylos
Switzerland61 Posts
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Therick
Norway324 Posts
On November 04 2010 06:40 domovoi wrote: Hm, a lot of misconceptions about American policy. Wealth does trickle down, see the 1970s supply-side recession for an example. But anyway, the US has Medicare, Medicaid and now ACA. Not many European countries allow gay marriage, last I checked. America has looser abortion standards than much of Europe. Religion has as much to do with politics as any other ideology; them's the facts of life. let it go bro, face it, your country f*cked up big time also most east of germany dont count as europe, thus it f*cks up the statistics | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10967 Posts
Don't bother with him  . | ||
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Rflcrx
503 Posts
On November 16 2010 22:36 xylos wrote: why doens't it amaze me that you are not able to back your stupid talking up :D uh..but I did?! Or are you unable to understand the pdf? I can take my time and explain mighty and long words to you, if you have problems, but lets do that via pm and not spam the tread. Simply send me a message if you need help. | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
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xylos
Switzerland61 Posts
On November 16 2010 22:51 Rflcrx wrote: uh..but I did?! Or are you unable to understand the pdf? I can take my time and explain mighty and long words to you, if you have problems, but lets do that via pm and not spam the tread. Simply send me a message if you need help. only thing it shows is that 49% of the people who vote for green earn more than 2000 (not much at all) and that 33% have abitur, which really isn't anything special, one must also consider that prob alot of the votes they got in the last year are just "protest votes" the other question is how convincing this really is since they only got data from 2500 people On November 16 2010 23:10 MilesTeg wrote: Someone who calls the SVP voteable should not be given more credibility than they deserve... just ignore him. So could you bring any arguments against the SVP or do you just like to talk? | ||
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MilesTeg
France1271 Posts
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xylos
Switzerland61 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10967 Posts
If a certain party tends to go for initiatives "against" immigrants/foreigners that are not coherent with human rights then there are not many other words than racist/xenophobe that come to my mind. Add their flair for cheap populism to this and there is really no way you could call them being not at least a little racist (but still, there are a few good politicians left in the party but these are sadly not the one that set the course...). Add into this that the current immigration trend to switzerland has not much to do with uneducated immigrants but instead with highly educated germans/eu-members. The fearmongering against uneducated immigrants is just populism, congrats on falling for it. | ||
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xylos
Switzerland61 Posts
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Rflcrx
503 Posts
On November 16 2010 23:14 xylos wrote: only thing it shows is that 49% of the people who vote for green earn more than 2000 (not much at all) Except only one party has more wealthy voters. On November 16 2010 23:14 xylos wrote: and that 33% have abitur, which really isn't anything special, Except it is the party with the most educated voters So basically it is everything what I have said and nothing what you have said. On November 16 2010 23:14 xylos wrote: one must also consider that prob alot of the votes they got in the last year are just "protest votes" This is just your personal opinion and I couldn't really find any reliable data (not that I tried hard, afterall this kind of "arguments" come up as soon as initially "arguments" have been debunked). On November 16 2010 23:14 xylos wrote: the other question is how convincing this really is since they only got data from 2500 people 2500 is reprensentative. You seem to have trouble understanding and reading statistics. I suggest you read this before you continue questioning something you don't understand: http://www.amazon.de/Empirische-Sozialforschung-Grundlagen-Methoden-Anwendungen/dp/3499556782/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1289922011&sr=8-1 Now, please, lets get back to the orginal topic. You have your weird views about the world and you are entitled to having them, but this is not the place, especially if you make claims without backing them up. Thats just trolling. | ||
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xylos
Switzerland61 Posts
On November 17 2010 00:41 Rflcrx wrote: [ You have your weird views about the world and you are entitled to having them, but this is not the place, especially if you make claims without backing them up. Thats just trolling. Well I guess the one with the weird views is the one who votes for a joke-party like the greens. And no, you didn't debunk a single one of my arguments, just >2000 is still quite poor, interesting would be a statistic with earnings >300'000. And like I said, 2500 people asked isn't really enough, | ||
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Rflcrx
503 Posts
By the way: I don't vote for a green party. I just hate when people make shit up and I am also enjoying debunking it with hard data. The confusion and the attempt to rationalize is amusing too. | ||
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xylos
Switzerland61 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On November 17 2010 00:24 xylos wrote: Not a single SVP initiative was against the human rights, and yes, we have a serious problem with immigrants, not the educated ones from germany, but with the mostly uneducated and poor immigrants from turkey and the balkans. The minaret initiative WAS against the humain rights and we have problems with immigrants because of xenophopic people like you and the SVP, who do nothing to help them. I'm ashamed to be swiss when I know this party has so much voters. I was so mad when the minaret initiative succeeded, damn racists. | ||
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Rflcrx
503 Posts
2500 Umfrageteilnehmer sind mehr als genug für eine repräsentative Umfrage, so lange diese sonstige Kritieren erfüllt. Deine "Kritik" widerspricht dem allgemeinen wissenschaftlichen Tenor wenn es um empirische Sozialforschung geht (damit meinte ich die Scientists, falls das noch nicht klar ist). Dem entsprechend ist die Umfrage repräsentativ und deine Annahme das Grüne-Wähler arm und hippies sind widerlegt, da die (repräsentative) Statistik das Gegenteil (eher wohlhabende Wählerschicht (nur eine Partei hat eine wohlhabendere Wählerschicht), Wähler haben Prozentual die meisten gebildeten Wähler)) aussagt. Und ja, die Umfragen sind so richtig konstruiert und die Einkommenssprünge werden korrekt erfasst. Deine Hoffnung eine Befragung mit 300k Einkommen zu starten ist..ziemlicher unsinn (um es mal milde auszudrücken). Ich könnte jetzt lange und breit erklären warum man das so nicht erfragen kann und warum es nicht repräsentativ ist, aber in dem oben verlinkten Buch steht es bereits. Schöner und besser geschrieben noch dazu, plus ich verliere keine weitere Zeit. Sorry for the foreign language and the OT guys, but I didn't really see any other way. Anyways, enough with the debunking, lets get back to US-politics. | ||
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On November 16 2010 19:56 xylos wrote: but both, the german and the swiss greens are retarded, I mean seriously, banning cars that use more than 10l/100km, cutting the speed limit to 120 in germany, trying to ban guns from private people, shutting down the atomic plants..... What? You are against banning guns from privates? What are you? A murderer or what? You DON'T need guns for your safety in Switzerland, seriously. | ||
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xylos
Switzerland61 Posts
And yes we have a problem with uneducated immigrants from the balkans and turkey, just read the new crime statistic, we do nothing to help them? I hope you are joking, there are so many programs to help the immigrants, way too much imo. I have nothing against educated immigrants who are willing to adapt to our culture, what we definately don't need are more immigrants without any degrees who think their life will magically improve once they are here. @Rflcrx, traue keiner statistik die du nicht selbst gefälscht hast... | ||
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xylos
Switzerland61 Posts
On November 17 2010 01:21 Roggay wrote: What? You are against banning guns from privates? What are you? A murderer or what? You DON'T need guns for your safety in Switzerland, seriously. Yes I'm against banning guns from privates, and no I'm not a murderer, I just enjoy shooting since it's a part of our culture and tradition. And yes, a gun can drastically improve your safety when you are able to defend yourself and don't depend on the police. Banning guns is very contraproductive, since you only take them away from the law-abiding citizens, the criminals will always get guns, no matter if they are banned or not. | ||
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Rflcrx
503 Posts
On November 17 2010 01:31 xylos wrote: @Rflcrx, traue keiner statistik die du nicht selbst gefälscht hast... Thanks for agreeing that you were wrong. | ||
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