Gay College Student Suicide after Webcam Broadcast - Page 7

On October 01 2010 08:05 HeavOnEarth wrote:
yeah i agree, murderotica's tone isnt meant to antagonize its merely to make his point clearer, i really don't mind at all.
however, its unfair to judge a person without knowing their background, if he hasn't come out to anyone , his friends family, for this long there was probably a good reason.
- unsupporting parents
- he did before and got shut down/ harassed
Not saying i condone his suicide(personally i think its pathetic) but it's unfair to be presumptuous to say "he committed suicide over that" when you aren't gay and don't know anything about his life experience

On October 01 2010 06:08 Caller wrote:
Rather than talk about privacy, I think we need a serious discussion on how fucking stupid suicide is.

Every religion and even just plain old evolutionary thought discusses suicide as being a waste of everything. Suicide is probably the ultimate selfish thing to do. When people try and OD on pills and whatnot, all they are doing is wasting medical resources that other people may need, just because they can't deal with a period of angst. Sure, it might be really hard on you, but how is it just that you can waste people's time and energy, and threaten the lives of others (by depleting medical resources) just because of your own self-pity and angst? Especially teenagers. They fail to see how people struggle to survive in places and they take that gift of not having to worry about surviving the next day and just throwing it away. They fail to understand what parents have spent a HUGE portion of their lives doing. This guy must have had super parents backing him up to become such an accomplished violinist. Just because his roommate streamed video of him making out with a guy he throws all that away? Ungrateful is what it is.

Homophobia (thought it is a huge problem, and I am as guilty as the next person) isn't the issue here. It could have been some other kind of stimulus and this kid likely would've still thrown it away. I know people who have committed suicide just because they couldn't get tenure. I know people who have nearly thrown their lives away for some of the most stupid reasons. I know kids who have thought about suicide just because they were being bullied at school. So was I! I was being bullied a LOT in middle school, but I took it like a man and changed so that was no longer the case.

There was a J-drama I watched that best sums up how hypocritical suicide is. A person is shown a video of their open heart surgery, especially how their heart is beating. The doctor remarks how ironic it is that while she is trying to throw her life away, that little heart is like a baby struggling to stay alive. And the thought that if you killed yourself you would be taking this baby down with you too-that perhaps is the feeling we need to convey to stupid angsty people.

Suicide shouldn't be deified or used as support for a cause like we see here. Suicide isn't something to turn people into martyrs. It should be ridiculed, laughed at, and just made to be the cowardly, selfish act that it is, so that the only people that end up doing it are the cowardly selfish people that we would be better off without.

On October 01 2010 07:53 travis wrote:
I think murderotica is in the right to say whatever the fuck it is that he thinks and if people take that as hostility it's kind of their problem.

because i wanted someone who opposed this view to respond to it, ill post it again



ironically this can also be used to defend blunt communication methods

On October 01 2010 05:58 dybydx wrote:
sometimes its i feel great knowing hell exists for ppl that really need it.

On October 01 2010 07:13 Murderotica wrote:

It was not the rest of the world. It was the room mate and his friends, which would have happened anyway, since he made it so obvious he was having a gay relationship. Word of mouth. He was not cautious enough, given that the stakes were so high.

Also, about forums:

http://www.justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?t=320377

Go read for yourself.

On October 01 2010 08:12 Lurker87 wrote:
The problem I have with selfishness is when it is irrefutably intruding on another's life, on another's choices. Sure, you might be biologically programmed to be selfish, to some extent, but acting so selfish, at the expense of someone else... you'd either have to be a complete moron, or a complete ass.

On October 01 2010 08:05 Blackou wrote:


A little bit out of subject but ...

As a man of Science, can you really explain your reasoning to go from

1)I believe in science, and therefore the decay of our bodies
to
2)" that is why i say we only have 1 life to live "
to
3) " i feel that makes it more valuable"

What is really your reasons to go from point 2 to point 3 exactly?

(I am agnostic too, totally agree with 1 and 2, just don t see any scientific reasoning in your last transition...opinions are great but ... )

Or asked another way, how do you define the "value of life " you are talking about?
( Don t take it bad,i am just curious really)

On October 01 2010 08:14 travis wrote:


yes, i agree completely

but this isn't a problem that's inherent to selfishness, it is a problem in poor decisionmaking

On October 01 2010 08:24 .risingdragoon wrote:
So I understand what the guy did.

What did the girl do exactly?

On October 01 2010 08:34 bontez wrote:


I'm also interested in knowing what the girl did exactly. The news articles I've read haven't specified anything about what she did, besides that it was in her room.

I just graduated from Rutgers last year and I know people who know her (one who is really close with her), but obviously they are biased (just like the news articles I've read are biased one direction).

Just curious if anyone saw a news article that specifies what the girl did.

On October 01 2010 08:40 .risingdragoon wrote:
He was already in her room when he found out about the gay sex, that was his twit. But she's also charged?

And both their names are released to the media. That's not responsible journalism. Now there's no way for either of them to stay at Rutger even if they get a flap on the wrist.

On October 01 2010 08:46 Murderotica wrote:

Yup. People are already protesting in person in front of the dorm where they live, and there is a "Black Friday" memorial walk on the street next to it. I would be surprised if they could get into any non-community college at this point, and they most certainly can't stay at Rutgers, if not due to administration's decisions, then due to the chance of harassment/violence in their direction. Like I said before, Rutgers is a very progressive school, and the gay community here is very strong. I fear for their safety tbh.

On October 01 2010 05:42 FabledIntegral wrote:
Something I always think about when stories like these come around; how would this be any different if it was a celebrity? Are they supposed to tolerate things like this because they are celebrities? What about sex tapes released? What about poor Emma Watson who had a crotch shot (edit: guys, this was like over a year ago...) like how many weeks after she turned 18? Has this happened to a gay celebrity yet? I feel like the entire media would go crazy and blow up the issue if a closet gay celebrity had sex transmitted over the web, with no one saying anything wrong was done (well there would be backlash if the celeb committed suicide, but not by the mere act of transmitting the web feed). But since it was a random teen that ended up committing suicide, there's an immense backlash.

Don't get me wrong, I think there should be and what the roommate did (with a friend of his) was unacceptable. They even tried to do it a second time, as it says in the article. I think EVERYONE though should have a right to privacy, including celebrities, and don't get why the media is allowed to eat it up/papparazi shove cameras in their face nonstop. What do you guys think?