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Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 22:24:54
September 30 2010 22:22 GMT
#101
On October 01 2010 07:17 Tempest186 wrote:
I think the major reason why you are getting flamed Murderotica is due to insensitivity.

Most people are logical enough to deduce as to why suicide is illogical. But I must say that the method by which you are attempting to prove it, for lack of a better word, BLOWS. You are taking a particular case, and blaming it on the victim.

This insensitivity will likely just cause people to dislike you, as even I am trying to hold back contempt lol. If you want to validate the wrongs of suicide do it simply and to the point, without coming across like a douche. Now, I don't know you, you may be awesome and I hope you are. I just want to let you know what your problem in this particular forum is.

1) your points are too rambling and contradictory. If your going to say something, get to the point. (ie if health is a virtue or good, then the cessation of life under any circumstances is a vice/bad)...see that!

2) don't come across so hostile lol.

Just looking out for you kid! Good luck

I am an insensitive person. I never disagreed with that. I am also a douche a lot of the time, but it is because I am honest to myself and to others about my opinion. That makes it probably worse, since it means I am an asshole at heart, but, oh well.

1) Sorry, English not my first language. I try to write well but sometimes I fuck up.

2) I'm a generally hostile person.

EDIT: Thanks
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Lurker87
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States172 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 22:37:52
September 30 2010 22:25 GMT
#102
Have to wonder just how little self-esteem that roommate must have had, that he had to do something so extravagant, in hopes of appearing cool on the net (many try to impress on the internet, with no foreseeable reward, but this really IS extreme...). Even if it was just among his real life "friends", how the hell did he think it was going to conclude? His roommate just has a chuckle, and says "oh you..."?

What an ass... I wouldn't be surprised if he felt absolutely no remorse over his actions.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
September 30 2010 22:25 GMT
#103
Well, his roommate is gonna have this hanging over him all his life so I'd say it doesn't really matter what sentence he gets. I just get so mad at immature shit like this.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
September 30 2010 22:25 GMT
#104
this is so sad
viraltouch
Profile Joined July 2010
United States299 Posts
September 30 2010 22:27 GMT
#105
damn i am at work and i actually browsed that forum site. pretty sure my internet isn't screened but still... I've seen enough penises for a lifetime...
but you know, murderotica does have a point about the forum thing. he does seem to act with logic and reason in discussing his approach to the whole thing like discussing about his options, talking to RA for room change, and everything til he just stops responding >.>
now I'm wondering what made him jump off. cuz he does seem to be taking it pretty well from his post.
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
September 30 2010 22:27 GMT
#106
On October 01 2010 07:25 Lurker87 wrote:
Have to wonder just how little self-esteem that roommate must have had, that he had to do something so extravagant, in hopes of appearing cool on the net (many try to impress on the internet, with no foreseeable reward, but this really IS extreme...).

What an ass... I wouldn't be surprised if he felt absolutely remorse over his actions.

I can see that...

[image loading]

Also btw the girl so far has been proven to only do 1 thing, which is let the guy use her room. How the fuck is that a manslaughter charge? She would have been letting him use the room even without the webcam fiasco.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
Rev0lution
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States1805 Posts
September 30 2010 22:29 GMT
#107
On October 01 2010 07:22 Murderotica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2010 07:17 Tempest186 wrote:
I think the major reason why you are getting flamed Murderotica is due to insensitivity.

Most people are logical enough to deduce as to why suicide is illogical. But I must say that the method by which you are attempting to prove it, for lack of a better word, BLOWS. You are taking a particular case, and blaming it on the victim.

This insensitivity will likely just cause people to dislike you, as even I am trying to hold back contempt lol. If you want to validate the wrongs of suicide do it simply and to the point, without coming across like a douche. Now, I don't know you, you may be awesome and I hope you are. I just want to let you know what your problem in this particular forum is.

1) your points are too rambling and contradictory. If your going to say something, get to the point. (ie if health is a virtue or good, then the cessation of life under any circumstances is a vice/bad)...see that!

2) don't come across so hostile lol.

Just looking out for you kid! Good luck

I am an insensitive person. I never disagreed with that. I am also a douche a lot of the time, but it is because I am honest to myself and to others about my opinion. That makes it probably worse, since it means I am an asshole at heart, but, oh well.

1) Sorry, English not my first language. I try to write well but sometimes I fuck up.

2) I'm a generally hostile person.

EDIT: Thanks


I don't think your honest in as much as you are blunt and bluntness comes from immaturity.
You can make your point without sounding like a huge dick, you know?

Work on your social skills, I take it your a douche online but actually a pretty down to earth guy IRL?
My dealer is my best friend, and we don't even chill.
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
September 30 2010 22:30 GMT
#108
At the end of the day, because of the parameters that have been set up in society about being gay, "coming out" is a profound moment for many gay people. Some do it easily and willingly, some have to pick the right place and time, some have to wait for a certain family member to pass away, and some never do it at all.

We don't know where Clementi was in the process, but we do know that his roommate took that choice, that incredibly important decision, away from him. On a whim. For a joke. A twitter joke. Nobody has a right to do that.

[image loading]


Clementi on the left, the human garbage that did it on the middle and right.
ModeratorGodfather
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27179 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 22:31:56
September 30 2010 22:31 GMT
#109
On October 01 2010 07:27 Murderotica wrote:
Also btw the girl so far has been proven to only do 1 thing, which is let the guy use her room. How the fuck is that a manslaughter charge? She would have been letting him use the room even without the webcam fiasco.


Yeah I am sure she was just doing her homework and ignoring the whole thing.
ModeratorGodfather
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
September 30 2010 22:32 GMT
#110
On October 01 2010 07:29 Rev0lution wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2010 07:22 Murderotica wrote:
On October 01 2010 07:17 Tempest186 wrote:
I think the major reason why you are getting flamed Murderotica is due to insensitivity.

Most people are logical enough to deduce as to why suicide is illogical. But I must say that the method by which you are attempting to prove it, for lack of a better word, BLOWS. You are taking a particular case, and blaming it on the victim.

This insensitivity will likely just cause people to dislike you, as even I am trying to hold back contempt lol. If you want to validate the wrongs of suicide do it simply and to the point, without coming across like a douche. Now, I don't know you, you may be awesome and I hope you are. I just want to let you know what your problem in this particular forum is.

1) your points are too rambling and contradictory. If your going to say something, get to the point. (ie if health is a virtue or good, then the cessation of life under any circumstances is a vice/bad)...see that!

2) don't come across so hostile lol.

Just looking out for you kid! Good luck

I am an insensitive person. I never disagreed with that. I am also a douche a lot of the time, but it is because I am honest to myself and to others about my opinion. That makes it probably worse, since it means I am an asshole at heart, but, oh well.

1) Sorry, English not my first language. I try to write well but sometimes I fuck up.

2) I'm a generally hostile person.

EDIT: Thanks


I don't think your honest in as much as you are blunt and bluntness comes from immaturity.
You can make your point without sounding like a huge dick, you know?

Work on your social skills, I take it your a douche online but actually a pretty down to earth guy IRL?

Blunt = down to earth imo. I speak pretty much the same way in person, and yea it pisses a lot of people off, but I think honesty helps a lot of people out in some ways. When other people are blindly supporting of someone, I am blunt and tell them that they are stupid, they fucked up, and here are reasons a b and c for why what they did is stupid. That's down to earth, right? I don't feel the need to work on my social skills because I get along with a lot of people, and the people I don't get along with (obviously, if I have the luxury of doing such, as in people who are not my boss/colleagues/clients) I can live without, because it expresses a fundamental flaw between us.
ǝsnoɥ ssɐlƃ ɐ uı sǝuoʇs ʍoɹɥʇ ʇ,uop || sıʇɹoɟ ɹǝdɯǝs
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
September 30 2010 22:35 GMT
#111
On October 01 2010 07:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
At the end of the day, because of the parameters that have been set up in society about being gay, "coming out" is a profound moment for many gay people. Some do it easily and willingly, some have to pick the right place and time, some have to wait for a certain family member to pass away, and some never do it at all.

We don't know where Clementi was in the process, but we do know that his roommate took that choice, that incredibly important decision, away from him. On a whim. For a joke. A twitter joke. Nobody has a right to do that.

[image loading]


Clementi on the left, the human garbage that did it on the middle and right.


I think this is a pretty big point. The choice of the matter. When it comes to human choice, a lot worse things have happened. Especially when irrationality comes into effect over it all.

Mind you, I wouldn't call the two on the right "human garbage" yet. If they showed no remorse after this fact, then yeah. Sometimes, it's just a prank (a horrible one at that) gone too far.
Yargh
Murderotica
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Vatican City State2594 Posts
September 30 2010 22:35 GMT
#112
On October 01 2010 07:30 Manifesto7 wrote:
At the end of the day, because of the parameters that have been set up in society about being gay, "coming out" is a profound moment for many gay people. Some do it easily and willingly, some have to pick the right place and time, some have to wait for a certain family member to pass away, and some never do it at all.

We don't know where Clementi was in the process, but we do know that his roommate took that choice, that incredibly important decision, away from him. On a whim. For a joke. A twitter joke. Nobody has a right to do that.

[image loading]


Clementi on the left, the human garbage that did it on the middle and right.

I agree whole-heartedly that what he did was wrong. I never said otherwise.

About Wei, no I don't assume she was just doing nothing, but she was the guy's friend. Would you stand up to him and say "No you can't do that, get out of my room, you asshole?" If you are, then you have strong morals and I can only applaud that. I know that I would have lacked the foresight/moral fortitude/care (as in "I don't care") to do anything about it. But that doesn't make her a co-conspirator. The greatest evil of good men is that they do not fight evil, I can see that. But I don't see it as her burden to bear.
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FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
September 30 2010 22:36 GMT
#113
On October 01 2010 07:32 Murderotica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2010 07:29 Rev0lution wrote:
On October 01 2010 07:22 Murderotica wrote:
On October 01 2010 07:17 Tempest186 wrote:
I think the major reason why you are getting flamed Murderotica is due to insensitivity.

Most people are logical enough to deduce as to why suicide is illogical. But I must say that the method by which you are attempting to prove it, for lack of a better word, BLOWS. You are taking a particular case, and blaming it on the victim.

This insensitivity will likely just cause people to dislike you, as even I am trying to hold back contempt lol. If you want to validate the wrongs of suicide do it simply and to the point, without coming across like a douche. Now, I don't know you, you may be awesome and I hope you are. I just want to let you know what your problem in this particular forum is.

1) your points are too rambling and contradictory. If your going to say something, get to the point. (ie if health is a virtue or good, then the cessation of life under any circumstances is a vice/bad)...see that!

2) don't come across so hostile lol.

Just looking out for you kid! Good luck

I am an insensitive person. I never disagreed with that. I am also a douche a lot of the time, but it is because I am honest to myself and to others about my opinion. That makes it probably worse, since it means I am an asshole at heart, but, oh well.

1) Sorry, English not my first language. I try to write well but sometimes I fuck up.

2) I'm a generally hostile person.

EDIT: Thanks


I don't think your honest in as much as you are blunt and bluntness comes from immaturity.
You can make your point without sounding like a huge dick, you know?

Work on your social skills, I take it your a douche online but actually a pretty down to earth guy IRL?

Blunt = down to earth imo. I speak pretty much the same way in person, and yea it pisses a lot of people off, but I think honesty helps a lot of people out in some ways. When other people are blindly supporting of someone, I am blunt and tell them that they are stupid, they fucked up, and here are reasons a b and c for why what they did is stupid. That's down to earth, right? I don't feel the need to work on my social skills because I get along with a lot of people, and the people I don't get along with (obviously, if I have the luxury of doing such, as in people who are not my boss/colleagues/clients) I can live without, because it expresses a fundamental flaw between us.


No, what you do is just cause unnecessary hostility really amongst people and do it "your way" without caring whether or not you're going to upset them. Wow, that sounds oddly selfish to me. Thinking about how you want to do something, without caring what others think?

How do you justify it? By it being your choice? Just sounds hypocritical to me...
NovemberZerg
Profile Joined July 2010
United States58 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 22:47:04
September 30 2010 22:44 GMT
#114
he shouldnt of have killed himself, not thinking he will be leaving many people grieving especially his parents. they definately deserves to get charged, they better -___-;;;.
esperanto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany357 Posts
September 30 2010 22:52 GMT
#115
On October 01 2010 06:38 Ichabod wrote:
This story is really unfortunate...but why is it national (international) news? Approximately 90 people in the US alone commit suicide every day (2007 data, 33,000/year source), sure the circumstances surrounding this suicide are 'unique' because he was homosexual (Edit: and was outed in the a pretty terrible way), but it is not like this doesn't happen all the time (Edit: over lesser and greater things)...why single him out even in death?

The story is tragic cause it shows that gay-acceptance is still a huge problem. Many gays suffer that they cant accept who they are, they hide and feel unsecure cause there still is a stigma to beeing gay.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 22:55:40
September 30 2010 22:53 GMT
#116
I think murderotica is in the right to say whatever the fuck it is that he thinks and if people take that as hostility it's kind of their problem.

because i wanted someone who opposed this view to respond to it, ill post it again


I don't think there are any problems that lie specifically in being selfish. It seems to me that in life that our primary obligation is to tend to our selves and to do what we want.

(this is in response to the whole "suicide is selfish" argument. My reply is "yes, but so what?") It's not our responsibility to protect others from indirect harm, that doesn't seem reasonable at all.


ironically this can also be used to defend blunt communication methods
Hynda
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Sweden2226 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 23:06:24
September 30 2010 23:00 GMT
#117
I think to much emphasis is put on the fact that he was gay, a similar thing happened over here with a straight couple and the girl commited suicide because of the insane bashing she got from it when going back to school. I don't think people that havn't been in similar situations realises what shitstorm these kind of things raises and what hell it puts the person in question through. We had such a simple thing as someone spreading a naked photo of a girl in my uni-class she was determined to shrug it off and move on but it spread to the internet fast and soon everyone and their mother could see it and the harrasment she endured was immense. In the end she changed her name and moved town just to get away from it.

I wish the people that did this go in for manslaughter and stay there you have t be responsible for your actions simple as that. Nobody could ever believe that this would be a "joke".
Raz0r
Profile Joined September 2008
United States287 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-30 23:03:43
September 30 2010 23:03 GMT
#118
any interviews of the roomate of his reaction, what he had to say, when he broadcasted the poor guy?
.risingdragoon
Profile Joined January 2008
United States3021 Posts
September 30 2010 23:04 GMT
#119
Shoulda gone to Sweden instead of killing himself.

Tragic, but suicide is a bit much.
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Blackou
Profile Joined April 2010
France38 Posts
September 30 2010 23:05 GMT
#120
On October 01 2010 07:19 Murderotica wrote:
1. I am agnostic, I believe in science, and therefore the decay of our bodies. That is why I say we only have 1 life to live. I feel that makes it more valuable to me than perhaps even religion can make it seem, with the divine judgment ahead and all that. Personal opinion of course.


A little bit out of subject but ...

As a man of Science, can you really explain your reasoning to go from

1)I believe in science, and therefore the decay of our bodies
to
2)" that is why i say we only have 1 life to live "
to
3) " i feel that makes it more valuable"

What is really your reasons to go from point 2 to point 3 exactly?

(I am agnostic too, totally agree with 1 and 2, just don t see any scientific reasoning in your last transition...opinions are great but ... )

Or asked another way, how do you define the "value of life " you are talking about?
( Don t take it bad,i am just curious really)


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