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Vatican City State2594 Posts
On October 01 2010 08:50 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 08:46 Murderotica wrote:On October 01 2010 08:40 .risingdragoon wrote:
He was already in her room when he found out about the gay sex, that was his twit. But she's also charged?
And both their names are released to the media. That's not responsible journalism. Now there's no way for either of them to stay at Rutger even if they get a flap on the wrist. Yup. People are already protesting in person in front of the dorm where they live, and there is a "Black Friday" memorial walk on the street next to it. I would be surprised if they could get into any non-community college at this point, and they most certainly can't stay at Rutgers, if not due to administration's decisions, then due to the chance of harassment/violence in their direction. Like I said before, Rutgers is a very progressive school, and the gay community here is very strong. I fear for their safety tbh. I think that's a bit over-reacting, no? The suicide must've blindsided everybody, including the guy he had sex with.
Yea it is, this college is zealous to the extreme sometimes. When we won an important football game, people bought red paint and threw it around the whole city, to the point where entire streets were red. They placed the new stadium outside the city a few decades ago because other schools' athletes were afraid of being in the city. There were gunshots when Mexico lost in the World Cup. And now there are people raging on the streets due to this.
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On October 01 2010 08:35 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 08:34 bontez wrote:On October 01 2010 08:24 .risingdragoon wrote:
So I understand what the guy did.
What did the girl do exactly? I'm also interested in knowing what the girl did exactly. The news articles I've read haven't specified anything about what she did, besides that it was in her room. I just graduated from Rutgers last year and I know people who know her (one who is really close with her), but obviously they are biased (just like the news articles I've read are biased one direction). Just curious if anyone saw a news article that specifies what the girl did. She let him use her room. That is all. What I said was that she probably would have let him use her room even if there was no webcam plot, because they are good highschool friends.
I get the feeling she wasn't that great of a friend...
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On October 01 2010 08:57 GodIsNotHere wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 08:35 Murderotica wrote:On October 01 2010 08:34 bontez wrote:On October 01 2010 08:24 .risingdragoon wrote:
So I understand what the guy did.
What did the girl do exactly? I'm also interested in knowing what the girl did exactly. The news articles I've read haven't specified anything about what she did, besides that it was in her room. I just graduated from Rutgers last year and I know people who know her (one who is really close with her), but obviously they are biased (just like the news articles I've read are biased one direction). Just curious if anyone saw a news article that specifies what the girl did. She let him use her room. That is all. What I said was that she probably would have let him use her room even if there was no webcam plot, because they are good highschool friends. I get the feeling she wasn't that great of a friend...
Her not having better morals than the guy does not qualify her as a poor friend imo.
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On October 01 2010 08:57 GodIsNotHere wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 08:35 Murderotica wrote:On October 01 2010 08:34 bontez wrote:On October 01 2010 08:24 .risingdragoon wrote:
So I understand what the guy did.
What did the girl do exactly? I'm also interested in knowing what the girl did exactly. The news articles I've read haven't specified anything about what she did, besides that it was in her room. I just graduated from Rutgers last year and I know people who know her (one who is really close with her), but obviously they are biased (just like the news articles I've read are biased one direction). Just curious if anyone saw a news article that specifies what the girl did. She let him use her room. That is all. What I said was that she probably would have let him use her room even if there was no webcam plot, because they are good highschool friends. I get the feeling she wasn't that great of a friend...
Her room. Friend of the guy who had hte plot, not of the guy who committed suicide.
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Anyway I don't think they can blame the suicide all on the roommate, due to the reason he did it: It's pretty obvious he killed himself cus he didn't want a few specific people to know when the news get around, couldn't face that kinda situation. He was fine with having the gay sex and all so he's basically outta the closet to at least one person.
In a different situation this probably wouldn't have even made news, guy'd alive. So to say this is mainly a privacy matter is correct.
A few words & a video ruined a life, and then the media reporting on this ruins two more without even the need for law to intervene. Now that's a sad state.
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On October 01 2010 08:24 Murderotica wrote:
Because we only have 1 life and no afterlife, be it hell heaven or reincarnation, this existence is our only conscience. I would do anything to continue being conscious of myself, my friends, my family, my surroundings. I would never take that away from myself, choosing to be nothing, absolutely nothing, than to be living. To be alive and conscious is such a unique thing that to throw it away is a disgrace. Christians can look forward to the afterlife - we have nothing to look forward to. Therefore this life is the most important thing we have.
Still out of main subject :
Fair enough, i agree with most of what you said (and I like the part about the conscience) but do not see why "To be alive and conscious is such a unique thing that to throw it away is a disgrace"
Why the unicity of consciouness would imply it has more value than "everything else" ?
I think that there are many situations in which " value of conscience" is not worth its price ,for example in the case of Futile medical care. Not a simple pbm! I can understand people that prefer "be nothing" over being in a world of pain .,but maybe i feel that way because I also do not really see the pbm of "be nothing, absolutely nothing" ( Better be prepared about that btw ^^ ).
But this discussion is going too fast towards personal opinions, so i guess i better stop here.
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On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
I'm from Rutgers.. I heard this everywhere. I don't think they deserve manslaughter charges. There is a forum he was posting on (just us boys.com) and he seemed to be handling it well even on the day of the problem. So many people here are crying for blood from the 2 criminals but honestly wtf, who expected him to kill himself? If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP.
EDIT: I can't believe he prefered to be gay and have the whole world know than be gay and have like 10 or so people know. Pretty stupid imo.
i cant believe you "prefer" to be a straight to make a post about this
On October 01 2010 08:40 .risingdragoon wrote:
He was already in her room when he found out about the gay sex, that was his twit. But she's also charged?
And both their names are released to the media. That's not responsible journalism. Now there's no way for either of them to stay at Rutger even if they get a suspended sentence.
Why is it not responsible journalism? They're adults, there is no legal or moral obligation to hide their names from the public at large.
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On October 01 2010 08:24 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 08:05 Blackou wrote:On October 01 2010 07:19 Murderotica wrote:
1. I am agnostic, I believe in science, and therefore the decay of our bodies. That is why I say we only have 1 life to live. I feel that makes it more valuable to me than perhaps even religion can make it seem, with the divine judgment ahead and all that. Personal opinion of course.
A little bit out of subject but ... As a man of Science, can you really explain your reasoning to go from 1)I believe in science, and therefore the decay of our bodies to 2)" that is why i say we only have 1 life to live " to 3) " i feel that makes it more valuable" What is really your reasons to go from point 2 to point 3 exactly? (I am agnostic too, totally agree with 1 and 2, just don t see any scientific reasoning in your last transition...opinions are great but ... ) Or asked another way, how do you define the "value of life " you are talking about? ( Don t take it bad,i am just curious really) Because we only have 1 life and no afterlife, be it hell heaven or reincarnation, this existence is our only conscience. I would do anything to continue being conscious of myself, my friends, my family, my surroundings. I would never take that away from myself, choosing to be nothing, absolutely nothing, than to be living. To be alive and conscious is such a unique thing that to throw it away is a disgrace. Christians can look forward to the afterlife - we have nothing to look forward to. Therefore this life is the most important thing we have.
And thats why its called "faith"  .
In any case, it was both stupid and entirely socially inappropriate for the roommate to have spied on his private life, but there are many cases in which "sex tape" and the like are released. I do believe and actually hope that the roommate is punished, but I can't help but feel that the suicide propagated things even further. The original crime was that of an infringement of another's privacy, but the suicide suddenly turned it into manslaughter. Suddenly, even though the aggrieved student DECIDED to take his own life, the stakes are much higher, and the "prank", "paparazzi" or whatever you want to call it immediately becomes something much bigger.
As for the other side, it's a shame that the student took his own life, given this is really only one point in his life. If he had kept fighting, he may have been able to put his roommate in his place, and even finally gain the freedom to explore and express his sexuality. It may have been humiliating and seemingly an impossible situation, but people have overcome much worse. I'm not saying he got what he deserved, or that his suicide was selfish, just that there were so many other options, and I believe he should have been stronger in order to pick the harder routes. Ultimately, I think the suicide was the most tragic part, and I wish neither side choose what they did.
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It's definitely not manslaughter, it might be criminally negligent homicide but that may be a stretch as well. The question at play is whether or not it can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt that this person was likely to commit suicide if the video got out and I think that's a hard sell. The taping was illegal and an invasion of privacy though the person may claim standing because the room was also their residence where they share the expectation of privacy. It's also hard to prove whether or not this was a hate crime as the person who released the tape could just say that he would've released it anyway if the guy was with a girl. You'd almost have to prove that he released it solely because of the homosexual nature of it.
I find what this guy did repugnant for sure, completely outrageous and malicious but I think that charging him with hardcore felonies and sending him to jail for 5+ years may be a bit extreme.
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Hahaha jesus sometimes I think my roommate is a horrible human being for making too much noise and leaving lights on while I'm trying to sleep, this really puts things in perspective and I hope the guy who hid the webcam is punished severely.
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I have yet to read into what happened, but I kindof know some of the details by reading some news articles. If they were against homosexuality and was using this to ridicule and bully him because he's a homosexual, they deserve to get punished by the law. But if they were just doing this to get some laughs, but they were his friends, and he misunderstood their intentions, I don't think they should get punished. It's college, people do tons of crazy shit. It wouldn't be a commotion if they videotaped their straight friend banging a ugly/overweight female, but they'd use it in so many jokes. I think he overreacted, and from what I read, it happened so fast, from him discovering he was getting videotaped, he just became so embarrassed and depressed, no one could have acted in time. They were roommates, so they probably were on good terms, as his roommate let him have the room to himself some nights.
On a offnote: I'd lol if they were having sex on his roommates bed and there were stains everywhere.
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Sure, the roommates may have been asses but the only good reason for killing yourself is if you are stuck and know you're gonna suffer an non-preventive slow painful death. That guy was pretty weak to just give up his life like that. He should have just accept it, laugh about it and move on. It's 2010, who cares if two guys get a little intimate over the webcam. Could've just tried to transfer to another college if the immature idiots continue to harass you after so long.
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Let me tell y'all... Ema Watson does not shave.
Sad about the gay guy committing suicide because of his stupid roommate.
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What a sad situation... you would think after years after years dedicated ostensibly to learning, college-age people would afford each other at least a modicum of civility and respect.
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On October 01 2010 06:18 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:11 Glaven wrote:On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP. I'm not sure if it's just me but that makes absolutely no sense. Really sad story, hope some form of justice is had. It does make sense. He shares a room with his room mate. Asking someone to leave their own fucking room so you can have gay sex... You expect not to be found out/revealed? I mean honestly it's just a lack of foresight/confidence on the part of the victim. He should have arranged other means. And afterwards, he should not have killed himself. Like poster above said to me, suicide is absolutely retarded. I have no compassion for people who kill themselves, especially over something so frivolous.
Are you serious, you're blaming the victim?
Sort of like girls who wear provocative clothing deserve to get raped?
There's an obvious line between outting yourself as gay and having your gay sex secretly taped by your roommate by a hidden camera and streaming it over the internet and then twittering about it for other people to watch.
But you seem too obtuse to understand this distinction.
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Coincidentally, one of my friends told me that she went to a summer program with Dharun Ravi a few years ago and she was totally freaked out that she knew the guy.
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On October 01 2010 09:17 EchOne wrote:
What a sad situation... you would think after years after years dedicated ostensibly to learning, college-age people would afford each other at least a modicum of civility and respect.
They are tought numbers and letters, but they lag actually thinking.
One may have a succesful career and all, but if one thinks that he is better than another sex, another color or another sexual orientation, one might aswell start all over.
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On October 01 2010 09:07 AdrenalinG wrote:
Why is it not responsible journalism? They're adults, there is no legal or moral obligation to hide their names from the public at large.
So what if they're adults. Releasing names ruins lives, the law is suppose to deal out fair punishment, not the people who take it into their own hands.
You're not in the right mind to see the overall picture right now. Take a chill pill.
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Personally I can't stand these kinds of stories. No matter how horrible or sad it is that someone died in this way (Which I really do feel bad for) what about the thousands of kinds who die from hunger everyday, the death being sad is not the main issue??
Its sad that when one person dies its a tragedy but when 10000 die its just a statistic.
As heartless as it sounds I think the legal issue of the roommate however I think is the point for discussion and what kind of punishment someone should recieve for making someone commit suicide, after all the roommate didn't kill the gay student directly so how is this situation handled legally and morally?
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On October 01 2010 09:20 AdrenalinG wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:18 Murderotica wrote:On October 01 2010 06:11 Glaven wrote:On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP. I'm not sure if it's just me but that makes absolutely no sense. Really sad story, hope some form of justice is had. It does make sense. He shares a room with his room mate. Asking someone to leave their own fucking room so you can have gay sex... You expect not to be found out/revealed? I mean honestly it's just a lack of foresight/confidence on the part of the victim. He should have arranged other means. And afterwards, he should not have killed himself. Like poster above said to me, suicide is absolutely retarded. I have no compassion for people who kill themselves, especially over something so frivolous. Are you serious, you're blaming the victim? Sort of like girls who wear provocative clothing deserve to get raped? There's an obvious line between outting yourself as gay and having your gay sex secretly taped by your roommate by a hidden camera and streaming it over the internet and then twittering about it for other people to watch. But you seem too obtuse to understand this distinction.
Completely agreed. I know I will seem crazy to some but I hope the people responsible get the harshest punishment possible (besides getting killed by the angry people outside). Honestly even if he taped him having heterosexual sex it's completely insane to me that someone would do this. It's invasion of privacy to a level I thought people in general were above. And that's just taping it. Going out and telling everyone he knows about it, I get mad just thinking of that.
To those saying he should just deal with it and he was "dealing with it fine on the internet", you're completely out of line. It's not that easy to forget things. I remember small stupid stuff I said or did decades ago that I'm sure no one else remembers and it still bothers me when I think about them. I can't imagine something like this on my shoulders. Not everyone is OK with having everyone they know and then some learn things about their private life, especially if they weren't entirely comfortable with it which I'm guessing was the case since he was "in the closet".
To me, it's clear that this event is the direct cause of his suicide even if people say it's hard to prove. Maybe he was already depressed or in a similar bad state of mind and this was the last straw or maybe he was in a normal state of mind and this was too much of a shock for him. Either way, I have no sympathy for the people responsible for these actions and I hope they get what's coming to them. Being stupid and not thinking of the consequences of their action is not an excuse. Clearly they meant to cause him turmoil by doing this.
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