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Rather than talk about privacy, I think we need a serious discussion on how fucking stupid suicide is.
Every religion and even just plain old evolutionary thought discusses suicide as being a waste of everything. Suicide is probably the ultimate selfish thing to do. When people try and OD on pills and whatnot, all they are doing is wasting medical resources that other people may need, just because they can't deal with a period of angst. Sure, it might be really hard on you, but how is it just that you can waste people's time and energy, and threaten the lives of others (by depleting medical resources) just because of your own self-pity and angst? Especially teenagers. They fail to see how people struggle to survive in places and they take that gift of not having to worry about surviving the next day and just throwing it away. They fail to understand what parents have spent a HUGE portion of their lives doing. This guy must have had super parents backing him up to become such an accomplished violinist. Just because his roommate streamed video of him making out with a guy he throws all that away? Ungrateful is what it is.
Homophobia (thought it is a huge problem, and I am as guilty as the next person) isn't the issue here. It could have been some other kind of stimulus and this kid likely would've still thrown it away. I know people who have committed suicide just because they couldn't get tenure. I know people who have nearly thrown their lives away for some of the most stupid reasons. I know kids who have thought about suicide just because they were being bullied at school. So was I! I was being bullied a LOT in middle school, but I took it like a man and changed so that was no longer the case.
There was a J-drama I watched that best sums up how hypocritical suicide is. A person is shown a video of their open heart surgery, especially how their heart is beating. The doctor remarks how ironic it is that while she is trying to throw her life away, that little heart is like a baby struggling to stay alive. And the thought that if you killed yourself you would be taking this baby down with you too-that perhaps is the feeling we need to convey to stupid angsty people.
Suicide shouldn't be deified or used as support for a cause like we see here. Suicide isn't something to turn people into martyrs. It should be ridiculed, laughed at, and just made to be the cowardly, selfish act that it is, so that the only people that end up doing it are the cowardly selfish people that we would be better off without.
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On October 01 2010 05:42 FabledIntegral wrote:Found this article interesting. A college student asked his roommate if he could have the room for the night. His roommate let him have the room, but hid a webcam in the room and broadcast what was happening over the internet, annoucing what his roommate was doing via twitter. Something along the lines of "My roommate is making out with another dude, yay!" and also broadcast him having sex with another man. Traumatized by the results and being ridiculed, he ended up committing suicde over the matter. Show nested quote +The suicide of a university student — after a recording of him having a sexual encounter with a man was broadcast online — has stirred outrage and remorse on campus from classmates.
"Had he been in bed with a woman, this would not have happened," said Rutgers University student Lauren Felton, 21. "He wouldn't have been outed via an online broadcast and his privacy would have been respected and he might still have his life."
Gay rights groups say Tyler Clementi's suicide make him a national example of a problem they are working to combat: Young people who kill themselves after being tormented over their sexuality.
A lawyer for Clementi's family confirmed Wednesday that he had jumped off the George Washington Bridge last week .
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39438381/ns/us_news?GT1=43001Something I always think about when stories like these come around; how would this be any different if it was a celebrity? Are they supposed to tolerate things like this because they are celebrities? What about sex tapes released? What about poor Emma Watson who had a crotch shot (edit: guys, this was like over a year ago...) like how many weeks after she turned 18? Has this happened to a gay celebrity yet? I feel like the entire media would go crazy and blow up the issue if a closet gay celebrity had sex transmitted over the web, with no one saying anything wrong was done (well there would be backlash if the celeb committed suicide, but not by the mere act of transmitting the web feed). But since it was a random teen that ended up committing suicide, there's an immense backlash. Don't get me wrong, I think there should be and what the roommate did (with a friend of his) was unacceptable. They even tried to do it a second time, as it says in the article. I think EVERYONE though should have a right to privacy, including celebrities, and don't get why the media is allowed to eat it up/papparazi shove cameras in their face nonstop. What do you guys think?
this is pretty messed up... wonder if criminal charges can be brought against the kid that recorded him and broadcast it? I would definately think the family of the victim would at least have a civil case against him, can probably collect punitive damages..
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On October 01 2010 06:02 Irrelevant wrote:
is it bad if once I heard Emma crotch shot I lost all interest in the rest of this story and am now googling to find pics?
No. I would be doing the same if I weren't at a work computer.
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edited by coag to remove religious thread derailment
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On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP.
I'm not sure if it's just me but that makes absolutely no sense. Really sad story, hope some form of justice is had.
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no there is nothing wrong with your train of thought, i just found it funny thats all.
for me it seems like the issue comes down to this line "Had he been in bed with a woman, this would not have happened,"
yea privacy is part of this story, but its more about the differences of how gay sex n hetero sex viewed by our society. like if tape of me fucking some chick's brains out were released, I would be idolized by my friends even if i was secretly being videotaped. and I wouldnt feel all that humiliated myself but that I am god's gift to women. but sadly it wasn't the case for this guy.
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I'm a grad student at Rutgers, and I went there for undergraduate too.
I can't believe it x.x
Well actually, of course I can. I know how stupid and insensitive students can be, and of course how touchy the subject of homosexuality (unfortunately) is.
It's sickening, how many college tragedies there are.
On October 01 2010 06:11 antifascist wrote:
nice, good to hear. Epic move from the roommate, this is how to murder someone indirectly. absolutely genious
Did you seriously say this?
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lol I bet that roomate is proud of himself now, and all his friends really like and support him (... not)
also the emma watson shot, that question is soo tricky, all you can do is say it's in very very bad taste but it's hard to do anything beyond that <.<
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Yeah, his roommate screwed him up. But the real problem is that the society is not accepting homosexuality which made the victim thought his life is screwed.
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On October 01 2010 06:08 Caller wrote:
Rather than talk about privacy, I think we need a serious discussion on how fucking stupid suicide is.
Personally I'd rather you make a separate thread for that because I disagree with what you're saying and all the selfish nonsense many people talk about. I don't think it's even relevant to be discussing how "selfish" this kid was for taking his own life after being ridiculed by peers and having a sex video live streamed to everyone. And not just a sex video, but a gay sex video.
And PS. my aunt has claimed she would commit suicide if her son was gay. Don't think it's something that completely always destroys other people's lives, as it's not necessarily. Many parents DO love their children less if they find out they're gay. Especially in Asia and highly religious areas.
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On October 01 2010 06:11 Glaven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP. I'm not sure if it's just me but that makes absolutely no sense. Really sad story, hope some form of justice is had.
It does make sense. He shares a room with his room mate. Asking someone to leave their own fucking room so you can have gay sex... You expect not to be found out/revealed? I mean honestly it's just a lack of foresight/confidence on the part of the victim. He should have arranged other means. And afterwards, he should not have killed himself. Like poster above said to me, suicide is absolutely retarded. I have no compassion for people who kill themselves, especially over something so frivolous.
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Murderotica is right on this one.
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Really Murdererotica? Really, he should have to arrange for other measures? You're talking as if it was him being figured out for being gay that is why he committed suicide. No, it's that he had his privacy invaded in one of the most intimate acts possible, an intimate act condemned in the Bible and that would cause a majority of the world's population to judge you, and had such act BROADCASTED LIVE over the Internet ridiculing him of it. It's literally the ultimate humiliation. How you think "Being found out gay," is the actual reasoning is utterly ignorant.
Anyways, as I said before, I completely disagree with the notion suicide is "utterly selfish" blah blah nonsense that people are coming up with these days. I'm sure many parents would rather have a dead son than a gay son, and like I said, many Asians themselves consider it a shame to the family to have a gay member of the family. My aunt talked about suicide if her son was gay.
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On October 01 2010 06:18 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:11 Glaven wrote:On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP. I'm not sure if it's just me but that makes absolutely no sense. Really sad story, hope some form of justice is had. It does make sense. He shares a room with his room mate. Asking someone to leave their own fucking room so you can have gay sex... You expect not to be found out/revealed? I mean honestly it's just a lack of foresight/confidence on the part of the victim. He should have arranged other means. And afterwards, he should not have killed himself. Like poster above said to me, suicide is absolutely retarded. I have no compassion for people who kill themselves, especially over something so frivolous.
Empathy not your strong suit obviously.
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I think we can agree that all parties involved behaved with incredible shortsightedness.
On October 01 2010 06:18 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:11 Glaven wrote:On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP. I'm not sure if it's just me but that makes absolutely no sense. Really sad story, hope some form of justice is had. It does make sense. He shares a room with his room mate. Asking someone to leave their own fucking room so you can have gay sex... You expect not to be found out/revealed? I mean honestly it's just a lack of foresight/confidence on the part of the victim. He should have arranged other means. And afterwards, he should not have killed himself. Like poster above said to me, suicide is absolutely retarded. I have no compassion for people who kill themselves, especially over something so frivolous.
well that sure is incredibly judgemental
firstly, where exactly should he go have gay sex other than his room? maybe he was really fucking horny right then and there wasn't another reasonable place to do it.
secondly, it's reasonable to say that there is a big difference between just your roommate finding out, and your roommate recording and streaming your gay sex to the general public on the internet.
thirdly, while it surely was, as i said - shortsighted to kill himself over this... you lack compassion for him just because he was shortsighted? you don't know how he felt about his sexuality or how his life went to make him feel this way :/
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On October 01 2010 06:08 Caller wrote:
just because they can't deal with a period of angst. Sure, it might be really hard on you, but how is it just that you can waste people's time and energy, and threaten the lives of others (by depleting medical resources) just because of your own self-pity and angst?
You clearly have never had to deal with anxiety or depression if you can type such nonsense...
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I have found said crotch shots, and they were wonderful, really spiritually uplifting.
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Back in 6th grade, I had a lot of trouble with my social life, I got stereo-typed as the gay nerd who can't do anything other than math problems. Now some of you might say, that's life, get over it, but I mean this was bad: questioning the existence and size of my dick, the planet I cam from, whether I have had friends in my life, calling me gay like it's the worst possible insult they could think of...calling me retarded, stupid...beating me up after school... after a while my a's slipped into b's and c' and once I was pulling d's and f's I actually cracked and threw a shoe at a guy in the locker rooms. after school we got into a huge fight with a gigantic crowd surrounding us, I got a black eye and broke an arm and dislocated my shoulder, then went to the school office, talked to the vice principle, and he called my parents, took me to the hospital, then once we got home and I was alone, I made a suicide attempt.
ya you can say that there are some fucked up people in this world. I'm not one of them. I'm just your average joe, albeit with the inability to make proper social interactions. I tend to piss people off when I have conversations with them.
It's this sort of stuff that makes part of you just flare inside and make you want to punch somebody....
on the bright side I got a Gf 4 months later and I'm STILL with her even now. 
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He would rather die over being gay than just live a normal life... I can't find a shred of sympathy.
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