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On October 01 2010 06:23 Manifesto7 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:18 Murderotica wrote:On October 01 2010 06:11 Glaven wrote:On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP. I'm not sure if it's just me but that makes absolutely no sense. Really sad story, hope some form of justice is had. It does make sense. He shares a room with his room mate. Asking someone to leave their own fucking room so you can have gay sex... You expect not to be found out/revealed? I mean honestly it's just a lack of foresight/confidence on the part of the victim. He should have arranged other means. And afterwards, he should not have killed himself. Like poster above said to me, suicide is absolutely retarded. I have no compassion for people who kill themselves, especially over something so frivolous. Empathy not your strong suit obviously.
I can understand his pain. Him being emotionally distraught. But let me restate: he preferred to end his life over something that would blow over in 5 years tops (assuming everyone in Rutgers found out, which none of us certainly did until this became headline news), more likely a year with his asshole room mate (who everyone agrees is an asshole). He chose to be dead, to put his parents in a miserable situation, to put everyone in a miserable situation both here at Rutgers and in the gay community, because he couldn't handle a handful of people HE DIDN'T KNOW finding out about the fact that he is gay. As if him bringing dudes into his room was not enough to alert his hall in the first place. He preferred to die and have the world know his "shame" (I am assuming that is how he felt) than to live and have 10 people max knowing. That is stupid, I can see it no other way. I cannot empathize with stupidity. We are given only one life, he chose to throw it away to what amounted to be little more than a few people laughing at his expense. It's the equivalent of a 10 year old killing himself because his classmates found out he shit his pants and took a picture of his shorts. Fact is, he drove all the way to the bridge (40 minute drive at best), climbed it, left all his belongings on it, jumped off, all calculated and not emotionally frenzied. Sounds like someone was absolutely selfish in their decision, and it wasn't just the 2 that spied on him. Now his family's tears, the futures of the 2 criminals (although they don't deserve criminal charges, they would have gotten privacy invasion anyway, but now they are nationally known homophobes), and all his friends weep for his selfish decision. That is the epitome of stupidity. But, because I DO understand that he died in pain, I can only say RIP.
EDIT: Since his life was so terrible after this event he chose to kill himself. How many people do you think that are dead right now would do anything to get the life that he threw away? I'd say just about everyone. Selfish, inconsiderate of the invaluable life we have.
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On October 01 2010 06:28 Achillean wrote:
He would rather die over being gay than just live a normal life... I can't find a shred of sympathy.
Except chances are he won't have a normal life, everybody at his college knows and chances are word will break to his family (which we do not know what the situation with them is).
This very well could have ruined his life.
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My friend was just talking all about this yesterday. She knew the people that hid the webcam since they went to high school together. Their lives are ruined as well. Going to be so hard to find a job in the future for them >_>
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On October 01 2010 06:30 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:28 Achillean wrote:
He would rather die over being gay than just live a normal life... I can't find a shred of sympathy. Except chances are he won't have a normal life, everybody at his college knows and chances are word will break to his family (which we do not know what the situation with them is). This very well could have ruined his life.
so if you're gay you cant lead a normal life?
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On October 01 2010 06:32 deepstyle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:30 d(O.o)a wrote:On October 01 2010 06:28 Achillean wrote:
He would rather die over being gay than just live a normal life... I can't find a shred of sympathy. Except chances are he won't have a normal life, everybody at his college knows and chances are word will break to his family (which we do not know what the situation with them is). This very well could have ruined his life. so if you're gay you cant lead a normal life?
How can you be gay and lead a normal life? Homosexuality is the farthest thing from normal life.
He chose that walk of life and this is where it lead him.
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On October 01 2010 06:25 Asur wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:08 Caller wrote:
just because they can't deal with a period of angst. Sure, it might be really hard on you, but how is it just that you can waste people's time and energy, and threaten the lives of others (by depleting medical resources) just because of your own self-pity and angst? You clearly have never had to deal with anxiety or depression if you can type such nonsense...
lol.
I spent three years with a psychiatrist because I was being bullied. I know what it's like, believe me. Even today I still suffer from anxiety. Oh I even contemplated suicide at one point, believe me. But just thinking about all the people that would be hurt if I did that just made it such a sickening idea that I threw up.
Everybody thinks their angst and depression is real bad. The fact is people should live their lives and see what's down the road. Who knows, they may be able to look back on it and laugh, or they may think of it as happier times. This is the equivalent of someone thinking that since a coin flipped tails two times in a row that they should stop trying to get a heads.
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but fanaticist you're comparing one of your strengths to what was clearly one of his weaknesses
not everyone is wise enough to keep looking at things objectively when their fears start coming true
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On October 01 2010 06:32 deepstyle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:30 d(O.o)a wrote:On October 01 2010 06:28 Achillean wrote:
He would rather die over being gay than just live a normal life... I can't find a shred of sympathy. Except chances are he won't have a normal life, everybody at his college knows and chances are word will break to his family (which we do not know what the situation with them is). This very well could have ruined his life. so if you're gay you cant lead a normal life?
How is being ridiculed by your peers for your sexuality leading a normal life?
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I feel really mean, because I just started laughing when I read it :K Feel guilty now though.
Even though someone saw you having sex, does not mean you have to commit suicide. Why not just move to another school or smt? When you are gay you have to be prepared for A LOT OF shit.
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@murderotica
but the thing is, you wouldn't know what kind of state the dude was in even if you tried. so it is just wrong for you to judge what should have been done on his behalf.
what matters is that the video tape was the proximate cause of his death. and that the video tape was filmed with intention to humiliate him by revealing it online. that is a serious crime.
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On October 01 2010 06:08 d(O.o)a wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 05:58 dybydx wrote:
i believe something like this happened in China too, the girl had sex with her bf which was unknowingly taped by a 3rd person. when the vid came out on the net, she was humiliated and killed herself as a result.
sometimes its i feel great knowing hell exists for ppl that really need it. I'm not sure if I'm misunderstanding your post or not so before I make an idiot of myself I feel I have to ask you're not trying to imply that the people who committed suicide belong in hell, are you?
i was referring to the ppl that taped and released the videos.
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On October 01 2010 06:25 travis wrote:I think we can agree that all parties involved behaved with incredible shortsightedness. Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:18 Murderotica wrote:On October 01 2010 06:11 Glaven wrote:On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP. I'm not sure if it's just me but that makes absolutely no sense. Really sad story, hope some form of justice is had. It does make sense. He shares a room with his room mate. Asking someone to leave their own fucking room so you can have gay sex... You expect not to be found out/revealed? I mean honestly it's just a lack of foresight/confidence on the part of the victim. He should have arranged other means. And afterwards, he should not have killed himself. Like poster above said to me, suicide is absolutely retarded. I have no compassion for people who kill themselves, especially over something so frivolous. well that sure is incredibly judgemental firstly, where exactly should he go have gay sex other than his room? maybe he was really fucking horny right then and there wasn't another reasonable place to do it. secondly, it's reasonable to say that there is a big difference between just your roommate finding out, and your roommate recording and streaming your gay sex to the general public on the internet. thirdly, while it surely was, as i said - shortsighted to kill himself over this... you lack compassion for him just because he was shortsighted? you don't know how he felt about his sexuality or how his life went to make him feel this way :/
1. The other guy's room, since he already knew that his room mate was spying on him/aware of the situation. I read the forum on which he posted. He said all this. Or a hotel. Or somewhere else. This is all assuming that he is so candid about it that he would kill himself over someone finding out. Oh wait, that's what happened. If the choices are: don't get caught, or kill yourself, which would you pick? I would pick the former, regardless of the cost.
2. Room mate + 5 of his friends on iChat + the girl the room mate was staying with. That is all. No one heard about this when it happened a week ago. Literally no one. LITERALLY. And I live 3-4 blocks away from this kid's dorm, and have hundreds of friends at Rutgers. No one knew shit. He overreacted.
3. Of course I don't know those things. What I do know is that on the balance there are 2 things: 10 or so people finding out he was gay, or his life. There are absolutely NO circumstances that I would accept that would make the two equal, especially tipping to the taking your life side. No amount of parental beating, estrangement, discomfort, whatever... Would amount to me prepare my suicide for over an hour after finding out that it is vaguely public to like 10 people that some crappy webcam recorder what looked like me making out with my lover. Fuck that. No excuse. Life is the most valuable thing we possess, over privacy and sexual orientation.
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This story is really unfortunate...but why is it national (international) news? Approximately 90 people in the US alone commit suicide every day (2007 data, 33,000/year source), sure the circumstances surrounding this suicide are 'unique' because he was homosexual (Edit: and was outed in the a pretty terrible way), but it is not like this doesn't happen all the time (Edit: over lesser and greater things)...why single him out even in death?
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On October 01 2010 06:33 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:25 Asur wrote:On October 01 2010 06:08 Caller wrote:
just because they can't deal with a period of angst. Sure, it might be really hard on you, but how is it just that you can waste people's time and energy, and threaten the lives of others (by depleting medical resources) just because of your own self-pity and angst? You clearly have never had to deal with anxiety or depression if you can type such nonsense... lol. I spent three years with a psychiatrist because I was being bullied. I know what it's like, believe me. Even today I still suffer from anxiety. Oh I even contemplated suicide at one point, believe me. But just thinking about all the people that would be hurt if I did that just made it such a sickening idea that I threw up. Everybody thinks their angst and depression is real bad. The fact is people should live their lives and see what's down the road. Who knows, they may be able to look back on it and laugh, or they may think of it as happier times. This is the equivalent of someone thinking that since a coin flipped tails two times in a row that they should stop trying to get a heads.
Yeah, and imagine on top of all that you were gay, and countless people your entire life had made claims that your lifestyle was incredibly shameful, a sin, that god hated you, that who you were as a person was wrong. And I bet he's had to deal with that a lot longer than 3 years.
Imagine a time where you were bullied. Now imagine not only are you being bullied, but someone video taped you getting bullied, naked. And imagine your parents were ashamed of you for it, if they were to find out.
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On October 01 2010 06:33 travis wrote:
but fanaticist you're comparing one of your strengths to what was clearly one of his weaknesses
not everyone is wise enough to keep looking at things objectively when their fears start coming true
He could look at it subjectively and know that his friends would still be his friends, his parents would still love him, and that he had another 50+ years to live. I would live as a hermit for 50 years than die right now.
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On October 01 2010 06:18 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:11 Glaven wrote:On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP. I'm not sure if it's just me but that makes absolutely no sense. Really sad story, hope some form of justice is had. It does make sense. He shares a room with his room mate. Asking someone to leave their own fucking room so you can have gay sex... You expect not to be found out/revealed? I mean honestly it's just a lack of foresight/confidence on the part of the victim. He should have arranged other means. And afterwards, he should not have killed himself. Like poster above said to me, suicide is absolutely retarded. I have no compassion for people who kill themselves, especially over something so frivolous.
I cant go against you about you having no sympathy for people who suicided. but what we have here is a breach of huge privacy. One of the victim's most privatest moment was broadcasted via INTERNET, and the culprit post updates on twitter. This is worse than screaming on campus that he's gay and was fucking.
Gay isn't accepted by everybody. Maybe his family is super anti-gay and what not. Unfortunately people sometime believe suicide is the solution to the problem.
P.S. This post isn't to argue about your insensitivity of victims who suicided.
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Well, people have played pranks like this hundreds of times before and this has really only become such a big deal because the guy killed himself.
I mean, that's totally awful of course, noone wants anyone to kill themselves, but I don't think very many people would react like that if someone posted a sex tape of them online. So I don't think we can vilify the guys that did it to quite the extent they have been. It's like the puppy woman all over again.
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The two people involved in this just don't have any morales if they can go around posting what they did on twitter, as if outting someones sexual acts is ever acceptable.
They'll get punished. Pretty badly. Pretty crazy that there'll be two more 18 year olds in jail for doing something they thought would be funny...
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On October 01 2010 06:36 viraltouch wrote:
@murderotica
but the thing is, you wouldn't know what kind of state the dude was in even if you tried. so it is just wrong for you to judge what should have been done on his behalf.
what matters is that the video tape was the proximate cause of his death. and that the video tape was filmed with intention to humiliate him by revealing it online. that is a serious crime.
No, it's a violation of privacy, that is all. It's not manslaughter. They did not accidentally push him off the bridge or something. Any correlation between the video and his death is subjective assumption and cannot be substantiated. He posted earlier THAT DAY on a forum in a calm and sane manner, ABOUT THIS SUBJECT. He was not overwrought with emotion. He just used it as an escape route, choosing death over life. That is the evidence.
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On October 01 2010 06:36 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2010 06:25 travis wrote:I think we can agree that all parties involved behaved with incredible shortsightedness. On October 01 2010 06:18 Murderotica wrote:On October 01 2010 06:11 Glaven wrote:On October 01 2010 06:07 Murderotica wrote:
If he was so candid about being gay he would not have brought dudes into his room. RIP. I'm not sure if it's just me but that makes absolutely no sense. Really sad story, hope some form of justice is had. It does make sense. He shares a room with his room mate. Asking someone to leave their own fucking room so you can have gay sex... You expect not to be found out/revealed? I mean honestly it's just a lack of foresight/confidence on the part of the victim. He should have arranged other means. And afterwards, he should not have killed himself. Like poster above said to me, suicide is absolutely retarded. I have no compassion for people who kill themselves, especially over something so frivolous. well that sure is incredibly judgemental firstly, where exactly should he go have gay sex other than his room? maybe he was really fucking horny right then and there wasn't another reasonable place to do it. secondly, it's reasonable to say that there is a big difference between just your roommate finding out, and your roommate recording and streaming your gay sex to the general public on the internet. thirdly, while it surely was, as i said - shortsighted to kill himself over this... you lack compassion for him just because he was shortsighted? you don't know how he felt about his sexuality or how his life went to make him feel this way :/ 1. The other guy's room, since he already knew that his room mate was spying on him/aware of the situation. I read the forum on which he posted. He said all this. Or a hotel. Or somewhere else. This is all assuming that he is so candid about it that he would kill himself over someone finding out. Oh wait, that's what happened. If the choices are: don't get caught, or kill yourself, which would you pick? I would pick the former, regardless of the cost. 2. Room mate + 5 of his friends on iChat + the girl the room mate was staying with. That is all. No one heard about this when it happened a week ago. Literally no one. LITERALLY. And I live 3-4 blocks away from this kid's dorm, and have hundreds of friends at Rutgers. No one knew shit. He overreacted. 3. Of course I don't know those things. What I do know is that on the balance there are 2 things: 10 or so people finding out he was gay, or his life. There are absolutely NO circumstances that I would accept that would make the two equal, especially tipping to the taking your life side. No amount of parental beating, estrangement, discomfort, whatever... Would amount to me prepare my suicide for over an hour after finding out that it is vaguely public to like 10 people that some crappy webcam recorder what looked like me making out with my lover. Fuck that. No excuse. Life is the most valuable thing we possess, over privacy and sexual orientation.
God damn you keep talking about it as if it were hardly a big deal that these people found out. It was his roommate, the person he lived with, ridiculing him over something that has most likely already traumatized him to start with. And stop saying it like it's universally accepted that life is the most valuable thing ever. It's obviously not to plenty of people, such as this kid. You talk as if he decided to commit suicide on a whim, and as if it's his fault that his roommate invaded his privacy and broadcast it on the internet. Yeah, and it's illegal, so no he shouldn't have expected this to happen.
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