EPTGay College Student Suicide after Webcam Broadcast - Page 12
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
On October 01 2010 16:08 TOloseGT wrote: I never used immaturity as an excuse, I used it as a fact. Do you honestly think college kids aren't capable of immature acts? And yes, I do believe it was a mistake, an error in judgment. Just as it was a mistake for the guy to kill himself. However, blaming those two for the suicide is just too easy. People want to point fingers, especially in these cases where an innocent dies. Realising they ought not be held responsible for the suicide and alleviating them of responsibility for their actions by deeming it an error of judgement, a mistake and down to an immature stage are two entirely different things. | ||
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GnaR
United States73 Posts
I was cut off from anything besides a roof over my head since I was old enough to work, and thrown out at 17. My parents have not spoken with me since. I know there's a ton of people on TL who are/were in similar situations. We're still here. | ||
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Chex Mix
76 Posts
Is that a picture of IdrA playing the violin? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10888 Posts
On October 01 2010 17:17 GnaR wrote: I just don't understand people trying to justify their family not accepting them as a valid reason for suicide. What about the people here who were shut out by their families for other reasons? I was cut off from anything besides a roof over my head since I was old enough to work, and thrown out at 17. My parents have not spoken with me since. I know there's a ton of people on TL who are/were in similar situations. We're still here. Probably not everyone has a fucked up relationship with his parents/family and leaving "home" is actually a really big step and you will keep close contact to your parents for years and years.. | ||
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bjwithbraces
United States549 Posts
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Chex Mix
76 Posts
On October 01 2010 19:30 bjwithbraces wrote: You read stories like this and just lose faith in humanity(as in his dick roommate would do such a thing) Sometimes I really am disappointed with where we're at as a species. We should all stop wasting time with video games and go do something about it! | ||
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Malinor
Germany4743 Posts
On October 01 2010 06:08 Caller wrote: Rather than talk about privacy, I think we need a serious discussion on how fucking stupid suicide is. Every religion and even just plain old evolutionary thought discusses suicide as being a waste of everything. Suicide is probably the ultimate selfish thing to do. When people try and OD on pills and whatnot, all they are doing is wasting medical resources that other people may need, just because they can't deal with a period of angst. Sure, it might be really hard on you, but how is it just that you can waste people's time and energy, and threaten the lives of others (by depleting medical resources) just because of your own self-pity and angst? Especially teenagers. They fail to see how people struggle to survive in places and they take that gift of not having to worry about surviving the next day and just throwing it away. They fail to understand what parents have spent a HUGE portion of their lives doing. This guy must have had super parents backing him up to become such an accomplished violinist. Just because his roommate streamed video of him making out with a guy he throws all that away? Ungrateful is what it is. I am at work right now and don't really have much time to write a lengthy response. But I just need to tell you that you are just wrong in completely everything you argue here, really everything. Just a few points, so that his has more content than just flaming you for your completely misguided believes. 1. If you just believe that after you commit suicide something better comes along (reincarnation, heaven, peace, nothing, a second chance whatever), it sure as hell isn't a waste of everything, but taking a chance. 2. "Wasting" medical resources is probably not the case in most suicide matters. There has to be a scarcity first. Wasting water in the sahara to take a shower is a waste, but if I don't take 10 out of these 3billion manufactured pills, chances are that those 10 pills won't go to a person who really needs it, but will be wasted, or sold to someone else, or no additional pills will be produced, or WHATEVER. Everything you say is just wrong. 3. Life is not a gift to everyone. And just because somewhere people struggle to survive, it doesn't make you feel better in your own personal hell. 4. Parents don't grand you life out of a selfless deed so that you betray them by throwing it away. They get a child because they want to, they feel they need to or for 100 different reasons. Hurting the ones who love you by comitting suicide should most certainly be on top of the list of reasons to stop you from killing yourself, but if in the very end it doesn't anymore you don't "owe" them anything, at some point it has become your own life. That doesn't mean that most suicides are probably for stupid reasons or coud have been prevented. There is probably a way out for nearly everyone. But still, normally you just don't wake up and decide to kill yourself today because it's a bad day and you were caught fucking on tape yesterday. It should be pretty clear that there was a prelude of years of suffering. I could go on for hours, but unfortunately I can't now. What you wrote is sth. I expect from religious radicals, who are completely lost in their misguided ideologies. | ||
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eSen1a
Australia1058 Posts
people saying suicide is selfish it is no more selfish than giving birth. | ||
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Lea
Sweden120 Posts
On October 01 2010 06:08 Caller wrote: Rather than talk about privacy, I think we need a serious discussion on how fucking stupid suicide is. Every religion and even just plain old evolutionary thought discusses suicide as being a waste of everything. Suicide is probably the ultimate selfish thing to do. When people try and OD on pills and whatnot, all they are doing is wasting medical resources that other people may need, just because they can't deal with a period of angst. Sure, it might be really hard on you, but how is it just that you can waste people's time and energy, and threaten the lives of others (by depleting medical resources) just because of your own self-pity and angst? Especially teenagers. They fail to see how people struggle to survive in places and they take that gift of not having to worry about surviving the next day and just throwing it away. They fail to understand what parents have spent a HUGE portion of their lives doing. This guy must have had super parents backing him up to become such an accomplished violinist. Just because his roommate streamed video of him making out with a guy he throws all that away? Ungrateful is what it is. Homophobia (thought it is a huge problem, and I am as guilty as the next person) isn't the issue here. It could have been some other kind of stimulus and this kid likely would've still thrown it away. I know people who have committed suicide just because they couldn't get tenure. I know people who have nearly thrown their lives away for some of the most stupid reasons. I know kids who have thought about suicide just because they were being bullied at school. So was I! I was being bullied a LOT in middle school, but I took it like a man and changed so that was no longer the case. There was a J-drama I watched that best sums up how hypocritical suicide is. A person is shown a video of their open heart surgery, especially how their heart is beating. The doctor remarks how ironic it is that while she is trying to throw her life away, that little heart is like a baby struggling to stay alive. And the thought that if you killed yourself you would be taking this baby down with you too-that perhaps is the feeling we need to convey to stupid angsty people. Suicide shouldn't be deified or used as support for a cause like we see here. Suicide isn't something to turn people into martyrs. It should be ridiculed, laughed at, and just made to be the cowardly, selfish act that it is, so that the only people that end up doing it are the cowardly selfish people that we would be better off without. To be honest, as a person who was suicidal because I was suffering a clinical depression, I cannot disagree more. Suicide is one of the hardest decisions you will ever make in your life, simply because it means you will have no more decisions to take, and if you decide to go through you will never be able to make it undone. Who has the right to tell whether I should live or not but -I-? Don't you think it is selfish from say, parents and friends to say that a person should not commit suicide because THEY will miss that person? There's a newly published book exactly about this subject arguing why your argumentation is wrong. I am trying to dig up the title but I will have to come back on Monday when the library is open again. If you would at some point find yourself clinically depressed, I hope you will view suicide differently. There is nothing as scary as the thought of consciously trying to end your own life. NOTHING. | ||
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craz3d
Bulgaria856 Posts
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themorningstar
United States22 Posts
We don't know anything about this kid except the facts presented. He had a homosexual encounter video-taped and streamed on the internet (this doesn't even make him a homosexual, by the way, he could have just been experimenting). So, ask yourselves, "what would drive me to take my own life if something similar happened to me?" If you're not gay or have not had a homosexual thought, try to recall the most "fucked up" thing you've ever masturbated to or the most "fucked up/shameful" way you've performed a sexual act on yourself or someone else. Imagine someone recorded you doing it and put it online. Imagine there's no way to deny it. Imagine that your whole family (and assuming you place importance on them) has seen you doing this. Would your parents continue to support you? Would your little sister understand? Grandma? Would your family not disown you? Would they not be ashamed? Would you have anyone left who stayed with you? Supposing you could say "yes" to all of these and you have the most open and accepting and unconditionally loving family and friends on the entire planet. What if you had to say "no" to all these things? Would that be enough to end your life? We can't know this boy's motivations for killing himself, but there's something that many of you need to understand. Arguments like "this is 2010" and "I don't see why this is such a bad thing" are inherently flawed because your experience is *not* everyone's experience. People in the south are still beaten and raped and murdered because they're different. Progress is happening, but don't fool yourselves into believing that it's already here and things like this do not destroy people's lives. These students ruined this boy's life. Regardless of if it "should" have been or if the world is generally more accepting now. He felt his life was over. All for something that "should" be socially acceptable by now. Consider this the next time you do *anything* sexual that you would be ashamed of if the whole world had seen it. If you can honestly say that there's nothing sexual you wouldn't be ashamed of having everyone in the world having access to seeing. Prove it. Record yourself with your face shown and your name stated and splooge on camera for everyone to see. Then, bask in your sexual freedom. It's pretty nice, actually. | ||
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kataa
United Kingdom384 Posts
On October 01 2010 21:29 craz3d wrote: It's a damn shame for both the victim and the two people charged. Things are fucked up when you have a guy go over to a girl's place in order to spy on another guy having gay sex. No, it's just fucked up for the dead guy. The two people charged knew what they were doing, did it anyway because it was fun 'yay'. Though it's nice to see your thinly veiled homophobia allows you to feel some symapthy for what they did. Every post on a topic like this always turns out the same way. A. Decent people that just say "wow, thats a really messed up situtation". B. Hardasses who have go into their life history to show how stuff this bad has happened to them and they didn't kill themselves. C. Blatent homophobes. | ||
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illu
Canada2531 Posts
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NukeTheBunnys
United States1004 Posts
On October 01 2010 16:55 XeliN wrote: Realising they ought not be held responsible for the suicide and alleviating them of responsibility for their actions by deeming it an error of judgement, a mistake and down to an immature stage are two entirely different things. So you say these two people made a mistake, and should not be punished for it. Where do you draw the line, I made a mistake and drove home drunk and kill a carload of people, or I came home caught my wife cheating on my and killed both of them. These are mistakes that the person will probability regret after the fact, but it doesn't change the fact people are dead because of their actions. And yes blaming these two for the suicided is extremely easy, because it is their fault. Take them out of the picture, the video doesn't get made, the kid doesn't kill him self. It is as simple as that. THEIR ACTIONS CAUSED HIS DEATH. They intentionally tried to humiliate and harass him, did they know he would take it this harshly, no probably not. This is why they are not being charged with murder and they are only being charged with filming/broadcasting with out permission. I don't care what you think about whether its their fault that this guy committed suicide, they did film, and broadcast it with out his permission and that is punishable by law, and they should be punished for doing something so incredibly immature and stupid. | ||
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Rawenkeke
Norway350 Posts
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Shakes
Australia557 Posts
As to anyone who is saying "oh so he was outed, no big deal, no reason to kill yourself", I really think you need to consider the fact that the suicide rate among GLBT youths is much higher than the general population (generally reported as four times higher, but that's probably an underestimate). It's not just some isolated guy who decided to throw himself off a bridge, there are kids being bullied to death every day. It's pretty damn easy to say it's no big deal when it's not happening to you, but clearly for a lot of people it is a big deal and they are killing themselves over it. As for the other extreme of wanting to charge this guy with murder, I think that lets every other homophobe out there off the hook. Everyone out there who makes society a hostile place for gay people has to take their share of the blame, there's no washing your hands and saying it was just a guy with a web cam that did it. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On October 01 2010 10:34 BraveGhost wrote: Their probably gonna be advised by a lawyer to just go after the breach of privacy issue.. they might bring up manslaughter in court as a kind of .. look at what happened... kind of deal, but manslaughter won't hold up as far as I know From what I know, manslaughter is the weakest of all possible charges resulting in death. The people in this thread who are equating it with murder are completely clueless. | ||
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megastarcraft20
United States74 Posts
On October 01 2010 06:02 Irrelevant wrote: LOL I did the exact same thing :D.is it bad if once I heard Emma crotch shot I lost all interest in the rest of this story and am now googling to find pics? | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On October 01 2010 06:18 Murderotica wrote: It does make sense. He shares a room with his room mate. Asking someone to leave their own fucking room so you can have gay sex... You expect not to be found out/revealed? I mean honestly it's just a lack of foresight/confidence on the part of the victim. He should have arranged other means. And afterwards, he should not have killed himself. Like poster above said to me, suicide is absolutely retarded. I have no compassion for people who kill themselves, especially over something so frivolous. Have you considered that coming out may have cost this kid acceptance in his own family? Any scholarships from religious/conservative institutions he may have been receiving? Maybe even his job, if he had one. When you live in a society that demonizes gays, and in a political environment where demonizing gays is not only acceptable, but seen as a God given right for 50% of the population, you might be a little more understanding as to why closeted gays want to remain that way. This kid didn't say he wanted privacy so he could have wild gay sex, just that he wanted privacy. His roommate is a complete and utter piece of shit. A society that makes a natural occurrence unacceptable has a good chance to really mentally fuck up the person being oppressed. | ||
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