Browser War Round II - Page 7

On September 19 2010 08:08 FragKrag wrote:
Can anybody explain to me what "GPU Acceleration" does for a browser?

I can only think of H264 decoding with HTML5...

On September 19 2010 08:07 semantics wrote:
IE9 also does not work with XP which the vast majority of those computer are, and even if those companies moved up to vista or to 7 i have a feeling they would just use the default which depending on the age of the vista is IE7 and for windows 7 is IE8

On September 19 2010 08:22 Nihilnovi wrote:




Vista and 7 are generally only used by a few companies and people at home.
A lot of people that don't actually work with IT don't realize how slow this process is, mainly because of advertising I would guess.

What most people need to understand is that switching from XP to either vista or win 7(or IE6 to any other IE) is in the majority of companies an extremely time-consuming undertaking with costs up to several million euros and very high risks. Why change something that works, and when they do, do you really think they're going to take a non-IE browser on a Microsoft platform? Never going to happen.

Because of that, the whole "browser wars" logic is just not right. No browser will come close to IE as long as the financial world depends on Microsoft to run their computers, and I can't see that happening this century.

On September 19 2010 08:24 FragKrag wrote:
http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/07/01/ie9-includes-hardware-accelerated-canvas.aspx
this shit sounds like some gigantic marketing gimmick. Giving people both a means and excuse to continue creating shitty websites with effects is NTY

not sure why they are still sticking with Active X though -_-

I guess this GPU accelerated business is mainly aiming for the low end.

On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:

Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%

Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:

Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56%

On September 19 2010 07:59 Nihilnovi wrote:
Browser usage from Net Applications:


IE: 60,4%
FF: 22.9%
Chrome: 7.5%
Safari: 5.2%
Opera: 2.4%

I work as a CIO, and I really don't like google chrome. Why? Well, as a developer and project manager, having to worry about yet another poorly made webkit browser isn't exactly thrilling(yes I'm looking at you too, Safari).

For every browser that goes above the 5% mark in usage on the internet, you of course have to make sure that the page you are making works in it or you could be losing potential clients. It goes without saying that developing for IE(various versions) + FF + Safari is less time consuming than the same + chrome, which adds absolutely nothing new that the other browser didn't already have built-in or available as plugins.

Yes, webkit-based browsers are by far the most HTML5 compatible, but that is a a markup that is not widely used and only on nifty pages that have no financial value(read: cool pages that demonstrate cool stuff and nothing more). And they also behave differently on mac OS, which doesn't make it better either.

The reality is that IE6 is still by far the most used browser because a lot of companies and governments use it. And as awesome as IE9 looks, it will take up untill IE 11 or so before the majority of IE users alone are on 9+, unless some massive global event causes companies and governments to suddenly replace their whole net infrastructure, which is about as likely as 8 days in a week.

From a business standpoint, the less browsers, the better. Having 2-3 popular browsers is manageable, but when these browsers like google chrome start popping up it starts to eat into your budget as a web developer.

In personal preference, I use Firefox. Of course I "use" all other browsers at work, because I have to, but to me FF is the most compatible browser with the most customization options and reliability.


p.s: never quote wikipedia as a source..

On September 19 2010 07:48 tru_power22 wrote:
Firefox > All.

It's kind of like an Iphone - there is an add-on for that (and when there isn't there is a grease monkey script).

On September 19 2010 09:14 ccdnl wrote:


Wait, so Chrome = worst for web developers because there are underlying issues about Chrome that make it more complicated to develop for? Are these issues difficult because it is "new"? Or not the "standard"? Or they just simply more complicated, which contributes to being more time-consuming?

NOOOOO google needs to look at this so chrome can takeover the world T_T

On September 19 2010 09:24 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:

no

it is good.

not that moneyhungry gadget fashion tool.

firefox works. it is more like a custom made car that you can design, tune and enhance yourself.

a custom design car... just, for free. period.

don't call for the i word again. it is insulting.

On September 18 2010 15:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:

Man, what's with this opera->other stuff shift? Opera for life, baby. Though realistically I use Opera, Firefox, and Chrome, in order of decreasing frequency.

On September 19 2010 07:59 Nihilnovi wrote:
Browser usage from Net Applications:


IE: 60,4%
FF: 22.9%
Chrome: 7.5%
Safari: 5.2%
Opera: 2.4%

I work as a CIO, and I really don't like google chrome. Why? Well, as a developer and project manager, having to worry about yet another poorly made webkit browser isn't exactly thrilling(yes I'm looking at you too, Safari).

For every browser that goes above the 5% mark in usage on the internet, you of course have to make sure that the page you are making works in it or you could be losing potential clients. It goes without saying that developing for IE(various versions) + FF + Safari is less time consuming than the same + chrome, which adds absolutely nothing new that the other browser didn't already have built-in or available as plugins.

Yes, webkit-based browsers are by far the most HTML5 compatible, but that is a a markup that is not widely used and only on nifty pages that have no financial value(read: cool pages that demonstrate cool stuff and nothing more). And they also behave differently on mac OS, which doesn't make it better either.

The reality is that IE6 is still by far the most used browser because a lot of companies and governments use it. And as awesome as IE9 looks, it will take up untill IE 11 or so before the majority of IE users alone are on 9+, unless some massive global event causes companies and governments to suddenly replace their whole net infrastructure, which is about as likely as 8 days in a week.

From a business standpoint, the less browsers, the better. Having 2-3 popular browsers is manageable, but when these browsers like google chrome start popping up it starts to eat into your budget as a web developer.

In personal preference, I use Firefox. Of course I "use" all other browsers at work, because I have to, but to me FF is the most compatible browser with the most customization options and reliability.


p.s: never quote wikipedia as a source..